A Blatant Example of Mass Media Manipulation
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Television is the dominant and most relevant medium. And fact is, Fox's market share is nearly as big as the market share of all other TV broadcasters together. So no, you can't rightly call that a bias "very heavy on one end of the spectrum."
Both sides get plenty of play, yet both sides like to pretend that they're all persecuted by the media. It's horseshit on either side.
Both sides get plenty of play, yet both sides like to pretend that they're all persecuted by the media. It's horseshit on either side.
SimpleMinded
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DammitBoy said:
Can you elaborate with some evidence on these networks leanings? Outside of MSNBC and Fox, I'm curious how leftist those networks really are.
Sander said:
Perhaps to you, but we aren't exploring the relevance of your take on what's important.
If you take into consideration what I've already explained, it does create a lopsided spectrum.
If your schoolbooks, your newspaper, all the movies you watch, 7 out of 8 television news sources, 90% of all tv shows, and most magazines you read have an obvious clear left wing agenda - it tends to be pretty much lopsided.
No media lives in a vacuum and pretending such is not productive or accurate.
No, as a measure of influence on public opinion television is by far the most relevant medium. The fact that you're even attempting to disagree with that is baffling.DammitBoy said:
Neither is pretending that the amount of media either side produces is more relevant than how much they're actually consumed.DammitBoy said:
I'd also question your statements that all newspapers are liberally biased, but I don't live in the States so I can't really judge that. Then again, I can note that News Corp publishes The New York Post and The Wall Street Journal.
Plus, there's the fact that the US is pretty far to the right of the political spectrum anyway. What you call 'liberal' wouldn't even register as remotely leftist in Europe. From that perspective - a more global perspective - all US media is inherently biased to the right and only your perception of where the center should be makes it a liberal bias.
Furthermore, you measure bias as either being there or not and you allow no room for gradations of bias. Measuring movies and TV shows for liberal bias is pointless when for the vast majority of those, bias is largely irrelevant.
And lastly, the media functions as any other US marketplace. If you're right about that liberal bias, then that's what sells to the public.
But I stand by my previous statement that both sides get plenty of play in the media, and that any contention of persecution and being ignored is bullshit.
SimpleMinded
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Now the school books are biased against the right wing too?
Dammit, you better be careful or the boogieman might come out from under your bed tonight
On a serious note, can you explain how they are obviously biased towards the left wing? I wasn't aware that school books and every news station and newspaper was seeking to push their liberal agenda and want some clearer proof of that.
And a quick question. From the links you provided about Union members acting out, I hadn't even heard of any of these protests by Unions on MSM, beyond small references to their existence in bigger articles on Wisconsin. Can you provide articles from the mainstream media that talk about those smaller rallies you reference, that also glorify their actions but don't highlight the "violent" actions they committed at them?
Dammit, you better be careful or the boogieman might come out from under your bed tonight
On a serious note, can you explain how they are obviously biased towards the left wing? I wasn't aware that school books and every news station and newspaper was seeking to push their liberal agenda and want some clearer proof of that.
And a quick question. From the links you provided about Union members acting out, I hadn't even heard of any of these protests by Unions on MSM, beyond small references to their existence in bigger articles on Wisconsin. Can you provide articles from the mainstream media that talk about those smaller rallies you reference, that also glorify their actions but don't highlight the "violent" actions they committed at them?
Wait a min didnt you worked in some of their movies at some point ?DammitBoy said:
also 90% of the print media ? are you REALLY sure about that ? Is there really NO room for political neutrality in the US anymore ?
SimpleMinded said:
Stating documented fact isn't a sign of paranoia junior. Go google it up and do your own homework.
Our text books have changed from, "we used the atom bomb to end WWII" to "We dropped the bomb on Japan because we are racists". They're currently rewriting Mark Twains 'Huckleberry Finn' to read slave or man where Twain used the common venacular 'nigra'. Damn tree hugging commie pinko fags.
Ilosar
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O my gosh, history can be revisionned and the formulation of a sentence in a schoolbook can be changed to more reflect what really happened (please don't kid yourself with the ''it was just to end WW2, serious!'' BS). Clearly this is the sign of an international liberal conspiracy designed to take away our freedoms. For the record, I am also in disfavor of rewriting Mark Twain, but the comment you leave after lets little room for serious debate on the subject now does it.
Also, holy double standards batman. Some Tea Party members being racist is nothing and non-reprensentative and the eeeeeevil liberal media is lying to us, but some Union members being world-class dicks means that they, of course, are all bloodthirsthy murderers coordinated by the Worker's Union of Evilness? This some kind of joke? And don't tell me the problem is media coverage, as was said Fox ''News'' alone (I am sure there are other popular channels that lean right-wing, if not TV then radio for sure) is 44% of the TV market share, so stop acting like your side is an underdog victim.
Lastly, don't say ''google it'', you started the argument, the burden of proof falls upon you. I don't put a statement in my works at Uni then tell the teacher ''google it and prove me wrong, old man''.
Also, holy double standards batman. Some Tea Party members being racist is nothing and non-reprensentative and the eeeeeevil liberal media is lying to us, but some Union members being world-class dicks means that they, of course, are all bloodthirsthy murderers coordinated by the Worker's Union of Evilness? This some kind of joke? And don't tell me the problem is media coverage, as was said Fox ''News'' alone (I am sure there are other popular channels that lean right-wing, if not TV then radio for sure) is 44% of the TV market share, so stop acting like your side is an underdog victim.
Lastly, don't say ''google it'', you started the argument, the burden of proof falls upon you. I don't put a statement in my works at Uni then tell the teacher ''google it and prove me wrong, old man''.
looks like DB found some new victims.
Ilosar said:
Come on...the war was long and terrible, 50, 60, maybe even 70 million people died, thats not including up to 30 million Chinese at the hands of their Japanese friends. The estimation of the casualties, had the US and its allies invaded Japan (Operation Downfall) were - (now this is just one estimate from many) -
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A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that conquering Japan would cost 1.7 to 4 million American casualties, including 400,000 to 800,000 fatalities, and five to ten million Japanese fatalities. The key assumption was large-scale participation by civilians in the defense of Japan.[1]Every Japanese citizen was expected to fight to the death, yeap - their woman, old men, workers, who knows, even the kids...so try to understand, the atomic bombs ultimately prevented an even greater loss of life.
Emperor Hirohito - A nice man...
This is not a WWII debate thread.
Documented by who, DB?
DammitBoy said:
Documented by who, DB?
SimpleMinded
Vault Fossil
Crni Vuk said:
Am I just chasing my tail here?
You're right. I can also google that 9/11 was a conspiracy and that Osama Bin Laden is in the white house right now. Simply being able to find someone who will tell you something hardly makes it a fact.
Fox News screaming out loud that you can't trust anyone and that every news source is out to get you, even search engines like Google.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7spZ6E-KkeE[/youtube]
This hardly makes it "obvious" or a fact.
Why is it liberals rewriting Mark Twains Huckleberry Finn? Many NAACP groups even opposed it. But then again, the NAACP is one of the most rigidly conservative groups in
And where do you read that we dropped the Atomic bomb because of being racists?
And Ilosar, I like your writing. Thumbs up
Ilosar
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To clarify Pixote, I do not think it was only used to end the war. There were other implications with the drop, but as BN says this is off-topic. And I highly doubt the history books flat-out state that the US were racist or something.
But I think I will heed the warning of Crni Vuk. It seems there's no way DB will ever respond with anything less than boring sweeping statements and so-called ''documented facts'' that we need to find ourselves. So unless this gets back on rails, peace out folks.
And thanks for the compliment too SimpleMinded
But I think I will heed the warning of Crni Vuk. It seems there's no way DB will ever respond with anything less than boring sweeping statements and so-called ''documented facts'' that we need to find ourselves. So unless this gets back on rails, peace out folks.
And thanks for the compliment too SimpleMinded
Well when you say that biased oppinions and propaganda exist on both sides of the spectrum and he claims like 90% of the media is left-liberal-wing propaganda. How much of a "usefull" conversation do you expect ? Particularly when I have issues to seperate "oppinion" from "liberalism" when reading his oppinion. You know like 100% of all Hollywood movies beeing liberal or something ...SimpleMinded said:
Crni Vuk said:
Well known and accepted fact of doing business with hollywood - accept our liberal viewpoint or you don't work in the movie business.
If you are conservative and working in the movie industry - you keep that fact hidden like you are a jew hiding in nazi germany.
For whatever reason, the creative and production side of the film industry tends to attract more liberals than conservatives and this outlook naturally comes through in the themes presented on screen.
and as an artist I can definetly understand why
that was meant as a joke.
As I said. YOu will have biased oppinions and propaganda on all sides of the sprectrum. Sometimes for the better or worse. Cant help if you're paranoid though.
As I said. YOu will have biased oppinions and propaganda on all sides of the sprectrum. Sometimes for the better or worse. Cant help if you're paranoid though.