A Blatant Example of Mass Media Manipulation

I am in general for smaller military presence but I doubt a simple decrease of the military force will fix the budged emidiately. I mean one has to remember that the military either directly or indirectly has been a source for jobs in the US for at least the past 60s years when they decided to increase the military-industrial-complex after WW2. But thats just some idea. It is not like I really know the details.
 
I'm not suggesting reducing our military force. We need them to bomb brown people.

I'm suggesting eliminating more than half of the 180 military bases we maintain around the world.

We spend billions upon billions defending people around the globe who do not want or need our help or protection.

South Korea, for instance, can defend themselves and none of our military bases there will be effective if/when N. Korea starts dropping nukes.

Roughly half of the defense department expenditures involve U.S. military bases on foreign soil.
 
DammitBoy said:
Really? Just looking at that laundry list, I see several things that would help balance a budget. Like making bailouts and stimulus plans illegal, that'd save billions.

Illegal aliens drain our resources in the billions. Downsized government would save money, don't you think? Ending deficit spending sounds like a route towards a balanced budget.

I'd add term limits, eliminating the electoral college, eliminating most of our foriegn aid, and reducing our military footprint around the world - but that's just me.


Ending deficit spending is basically saying "cut spending" but my point was where the spending cuts would come from. Likewise, downsized government would obviously save money and I'm fully for that, but I'd like more clarification on what is being downsized before I would say that helps cut costs to some significance.

I agree on ending the bailouts, but their impact on the deficit over the last few years as a whole is pretty marginal.

Stimulus - 787 billion dollar cost, 290 billion of which was tax cuts... stuff that the Tea Party advocates for.

Illegal immigration does cost money, but what approach to it significantly reduces cost there, I don't really know, and unless there's a good solution to it offered, I would hardly count that as a great fix to lower costs.



The stuff you added on your own accord, I fully agree with. Though the "stronger military is essential" bit from the tea party goal might fly in the face of that, depending on their meaning.



DammitBoy said:
Roughly half of the defense department expenditures involve U.S. military bases on foreign soil.

Do you have a source for this? That seems a bit surprising and looking it up, it seems half the budget is in operation and maintenance, so I'm curious if you're just using that number? Are you including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in that figure?


Crni Vuk said:
I am in general for smaller military presence but I doubt a simple decrease of the military force will fix the budged emidiately. I mean one has to remember that the military either directly or indirectly has been a source for jobs in the US for at least the past 60s years when they decided to increase the military-industrial-complex after WW2. But thats just some idea. It is not like I really know the details.

Even though it might be a source for jobs, that same money being spent on that could be used to generate more productive jobs back home that would create a better long term picture. So the threat of job loss there doesn't seem to be a huge problem in my opinion.
 
This has gotten way off-topic and I'll be happy to discuss it when the thread gets split or someone starts a new one.

great new topic btw...
 
This is an example from way back and I don't have the time or will to search it out from the depths of the internet..

Fox new reports a successful US mission against terrorists, with the use of UAVs.

Al Jazeera English reports a surprise UAV bombing against mourners present at a suspected terrorist's funeral, in Pakistan, that resulted in 25+ casualties including women and children.

Nothing new to see here folks.
 
SimpleMinded said:
DammitBoy said:
Roughly half of the defense department expenditures involve U.S. military bases on foreign soil.

Do you have a source for this? That seems a bit surprising and looking it up, it seems half the budget is in operation and maintenance, so I'm curious if you're just using that number? Are you including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in that figure?

Excluding U.S. bases in Afghanistan and Iraq, the United States spends about $120 billion a year to run its overseas bases. The Pentagon calculates the value of these bases at $113.2 billion.

I think we should count the bases in Iraq and Afghanistan and the 100+ secret bases the Pentagon doesn't admit to having. For instance, there is the 5 billion dollars worth of secret spy bases in England they do not count as 'miltiary bases'.

Unofficial sources claim the U.S. has over 1000 bases around the world.
 
DammitBoy said:
I'm not suggesting reducing our military force. We need them to bomb brown people.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkhzHQO7jY[/youtube]

R.I.P.
 
DammitBoy said:
SimpleMinded said:
DammitBoy said:
Roughly half of the defense department expenditures involve U.S. military bases on foreign soil.

Do you have a source for this? That seems a bit surprising and looking it up, it seems half the budget is in operation and maintenance, so I'm curious if you're just using that number? Are you including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in that figure?

Excluding U.S. bases in Afghanistan and Iraq, the United States spends about $120 billion a year to run its overseas bases. The Pentagon calculates the value of these bases at $113.2 billion.

Okay, so the US military budget is 685 billion dollars, so it is actually 20% of the budget. Or was the 113 billion dollars separate from the 120 billion dollar figure? It was hard to tell if you were just providing a more exact number or if the these referenced Afghanistan/Iraq.

Not disagreeing with you as I agree completely that that is a waste of our time/money, but just want to make sure we look at it for what it is.
 
SimpleMinded said:
DammitBoy said:
SimpleMinded said:
DammitBoy said:
Roughly half of the defense department expenditures involve U.S. military bases on foreign soil.

Do you have a source for this? That seems a bit surprising and looking it up, it seems half the budget is in operation and maintenance, so I'm curious if you're just using that number? Are you including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in that figure?

Excluding U.S. bases in Afghanistan and Iraq, the United States spends about $120 billion a year to run its overseas bases. The Pentagon calculates the value of these bases at $113.2 billion.

Okay, so the US military budget is 685 billion dollars, so it is actually 20% of the budget. Or was the 113 billion dollars separate from the 120 billion dollar figure? It was hard to tell if you were just providing a more exact number or if the these referenced Afghanistan/Iraq.

Not disagreeing with you as I agree completely that that is a waste of our time/money, but just want to make sure we look at it for what it is.

120 billion per year, not counting iraq/afghanistan - add however much you think is required out of the 3 trillion spent on the war.

The reality is - not even the pentagon knows how much of their budget goes to overseas bases.

If I had to make a guess - closer to 35% of the budget.

edit: the 113 billion is the estimated value of the property owned by the pentagon overseas.
 
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UNION THUGGARY ROUNDUP

By Neal Boortz @ February 28, 2011 8:35 AM

I noticed a trend over the weekend and that was the dramatic uptick in stories about mindless union protesters. For instance ... we've learned that the government employee unions in Wisconsin are publicizing the name of the private school attended by Governor Scott Walker's kids along with the address. The message? Pretty clear, I'd say ... head over to that school and demonstrate!!

Hopefully you're not shocked. If you are you haven't been paying attention. This is union intimidation .. and when it comes to intimidation unions wrote the book. You also shouldn't be shocked by the fact that you won't hear or see any of these "moments" highlighted by the ObamaMedia. Give it a shot. See how easily you can find the story about unions distributing that school name and address. Remember that the ObamaMedia has a stake in these union protests too. As unions become less powerful, they have less to invest into electing Democrats into positions of power. These media-types writing the stories and broadcasting the news are liberals - though they like to call themselves "progressives" now because the "L" word doesn't play so well. Sure, there are exceptions. You can find conservative members of the media ... but I have never seen a survey which shows that less than 90% of the DC and NYC press corps voted Democrat in the last election, or any election for that matter. They want Democrats in office ...so you are simply going to see more stories sympathetic to the union side. It's pretty much always been this way.

But back to what started all this - the unions. Here are some examples of the unions sure are showing us what they do best ...

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/02/25/...listic-accusing-tea-party-of-being-uneducated
Video: Maryland Union Goon Goes Ballistic Accusing Tea Party of Being Uneducated...

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/02/27/...d-kid-handing-out-copies-of-the-constitution/
Missouri: Union Thug Threatens to "Teabag" 17-Year-old Kid Handing Out Copies of the Constitution...

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/02/25/...ion-thugs-on-their-way-to-vote-on-union-bill/
Kansas: Female Lawmakers Sexually Degraded by AFL-CIO Union Thugs on Their Way to Vote on Union Bill...

http://toddstarnes.com/2011/02/union-supporters-verbally-assault-tea-partier/
Union Supporters Attack Tea Partiers[/COLOR][/URL]

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/02/26/...-foams-at-the-mouth-during-pro-union-protest/
Video: Chicago Leftist Literally Foams at the Mouth During Pro-Union Protest...

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/02/27/...ng-fascist-pigs-go-home-assaults-tea-partier/
Sacramento: Teamster Thug Yelling "Fascist Pigs Go Home!" Assaults Tea Partier...

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/un...istie-is-a-terrorist-who-would-shoot-workers/
Union Protester In New Jersey: Chris Christie Is A Terrorist Who Would Shoot Workers...

Gotta love 'em, folks! Mob mentality at work.
 
Is it really right to pick individual actions and identifying it as the whole group, when you complained about the same treatment being done to the Tea Party?
 
SimpleMinded said:
Is it really right to pick individual actions and identifying it as the whole group, when you complained about the same treatment being done to the Tea Party?

Maybe you should watch some video and tell me what you see. I watched and saw a sea of signs calling the govenor hitler, mubarak, a nazi, and calling for his death. I saw dozens of people screaming for blood and acting unhinged.

It's not isolated individual acts but a coordinated attack by unions.

if this behavior had been seen at tea party rallies, you'd have seen it on all the major networks. Why do you suppose you aren't seeing any of the youtube videos on the nightly news?
 
DammitBoy, if you were watching some of the "liberal" media sources you'd see just the opposite. No media delivery is "spin free" in any way-- the sources you're using (for most of those links at least) seem to be very anti-Union and anti-Obama. The sources for many of the media you denounce as "spin doctors" or whatever have an opposite bias. Sure, all media is biased. But you can't claim that no one should report on racists in one protest and then say that they should report on radicals in another.

If you watched CNN coverage of a Tea Party rally, you'd see radicals curbstomping moveon.org supporters. You'd see racists with signs saying "Obama go back to Kenya." I think that we both agree that these people shouldn't be seen as a representation of the Tea Party.

Watching a video from media of an opposite bias has the same spin, just in the other direction. Just because it comes from a source without a Liberal bias doesn't make it unbiased, and the fact that you see "a sea of signs calling the govenor hitler, mubarak, a nazi, and calling for his death," and people "acting unhinged" is just as bad as saying that all Tea Partiers are racists. These people should not be taken to be representatives of unions or their supporters, no more than racists and other radicals should be taken as representative of the Tea Party.
 
The media is in it to make money and they provide a narrative around that. I agree with that.

But just because you were able to find videos showing signs of people calling Governor Walker Hitler in a sea of one hundred thousand people doesn't make every Union member a psycopath. If you really don't think similar videos exist of tea party rallies, I will gladly pull out similar videos on how tea party members acted in their rallies.

It just seems a bit strange that you are reacting in the same way you criticize other people of acting about the tea party.
 
You both miss the point. I'm not talking about what occurred at the rallies/protests.

I'm talking about the biased unequal coverage provided by the media.

Jesus...
 
which is of course present on both sides of the spectrum. Either left wing or right wing. They are all nuts. So much for sure.
 
Crni Vuk said:
which is of course present on both sides of the spectrum. Either left wing or right wing. They are all nuts. So much for sure.

I'm not sure what you mean. Here in the U.S. there is the left wing media - NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, and CSPAN and 90% of the print media, as well as 100% of what comes out of hollywood.

The right wing has FOX, and talk radio.

The internet placates both sides.

So the bias here is clearly very heavy on one end of the spectrum.
 
Fox has a 44% market share. That's not exactly weighted heavily to one end of the spectrum.
 
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