A video on the Brexit and why the UK should leave.

[valcik]

I'm fine with your utopian idea of whole world without any borders, united as a humankind instead of nations. Good luck with overcoming cultural and idelogical differences by diplomacy though, without protecting your society by force before we'll finish this grandious plan.

 

[Throatpunch]

Only 36 per cent of people in the 18 – 24 year old category voted in the EU referendum. 64 per cent of young people did not bother to take themselves down to the polling station and place their vote

Young people in 2009-2010: "Big banks and big corporations are the cancer of the modern world and hundreds of millions of people are in misery because of them. The Financial Crisis was caused by the greed, fraud, dishonesty and arrogance of big banks and big corporations!"

Young people in 2015-2016: "We support the Remain camp!" - part-funded by Goldman Sachs, CitiGroup, JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Morgan Stanley!

 

[Crni Vuk]

I'm fine with your utopian idea of whole world without any borders, united as a humankind instead of nations. Good luck with overcoming cultural and idelogical differences by diplomacy though, without protecting your society by force before we'll finish this grandious plan.

*Shrugs*

 

[Dr Fallout]

Wooh... Brexit.... wooh...

 

[Throatpunch]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36834743

 

[SuAside]

The EU wants the brits out ASAP, the Brexit voters want out of the EU ASAP, but the Brexit politicians keep dragging their feet. I find it hilarious. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.

That's what you get when you try to convince people to vote for you while you didn't even think through what you'd do if you did win the votes...

 

[Throatpunch]

The EU wants the brits out ASAP, the Brexit voters want out of the EU ASAP, but the Brexit politicians keep dragging their feet. I find it hilarious. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.

That's what you get when you try to convince people to vote for you while you didn't even think through what you'd do if you did win the votes...

Well merkel holds all the real power in the eu and she sure is dragging her feet

 

[Crni Vuk]

How does she hold the real power?

 

[Throatpunch]

How does she hold the real power?

The Commissioners and Bureaucrats might make a couple of laws now and then, but they don't make really important decisions about Europe's direction in the future and what happens in the EU like Merkel does. They are basically useless pen pushers. She makes all the major decisions.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Such as?

 

[Throatpunch]

Such as?

It was Merkel's idea to let in the millions of refugees and migrants and her that made the decision to do it. Same with the austerity drive in other parts of Europe to deal with there debt, that was Merkel. Go do some of your own research to find out more.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Uh no, you havn't described what Merkel has done. All you're saying, it was her idea. Even if that is true - which I don't know - that still doesn't have to mean that it was in her power to make the decision alone. There have been many meetings, discussions, decrees and informations about it. And in the end, the EU decided.

Germany has a strong position in the European Union, but not even Germany could stand alone against France, UK, Spain, Italy etc. if they didn't wanted it.

So what have the other EU states done? Has Merkel threatend their leaders with the Bundeswehr? Has she used the German intelligence agency to preasure them in voting for yes? Or to support her course? I guess Merkel must have bullied them all! Probably behind closed doors. Show me one example where Merkel FORCED your politicans to agree with her.

Point is, the way how you describe it, it sounds like this is what happend to your politicans and your ellected leaders:

"Hitler Merkel made me do it! It's all her fault! I just followed orders."

Which is of course very convenient for your political parties and their leaders, who agreed to those deals in the first place, because when shit hits the fan, everyone can blame either the EU or Merkel.

Do you think France would follow if their politicans said no? Do you think the UK would follow? What about the rest of the European Union? I am not a friend of Merkel and her Politics. I don't really like her. But I wouldn't make her in to some kind of scape goat because my politicans can't get their shit together.

Don't blame Merkel for the corruption and idiot politicans that you have in your own nation and who agreed to those deals in the first place.

 

[Throatpunch]

And in the end, the EU decided.

And who holds the whip hand in that organisation?

So what have the other EU states done? Has Merkel threatend their leaders with the Bundeswehr? Has she used the German intelligence agency to preasure them in voting for yes? Or to support her course? I guess Merkel must have bullied them all! Probably behind closed doors. Show me one example where Merkel FORCED your politicans to agree with her.

Point is, the way how you describe it, it sounds like this is what happend to your politicans and your ellected leaders:

"Hitler Merkel made me do it! It's all her fault! I just followed orders."

Which is of course very convenient for your political parties and their leaders, who agreed to those deals in the first place, because when shit hits the fan, everyone can blame either the EU or Merkel.

Do you think France would follow if their politicans said no? Do you think the UK would follow? What about the rest of the European Union? I am not a friend of Merkel and her Politics. I don't really like her. But I wouldn't make her in to some kind of scape goat because my politicans can't get their shit together.

Don't blame Merkel for the corruption and idiot politicans that you have in your own nation and who agreed to those deals in the first place.

We dont have to do anything Merkel says, I was just commenting that what Merkel says generally goes and she has a lot of power in the EU, far more that the bureaucrats.
I dont know where you got that from. That is not what I think at all. Have you ever considered finding a job in the strawman construction industry?

 

[Crni Vuk]

And who holds the whip hand in that organisation?

It's a Union. So I would say their member states. Some have more influence then othes. I won't denny that! What I am saying is, with an organisation that has what, 27 states? Merkel has neither the power nor the authority to do something that 27 states opose, deeply.
And last I checked, you said Well merkel holds all the real power in the eu and she sure is dragging her feet. I asked you how. And all you basically did was to return the question, and asking me who's leading the Union. But the burden of proof is on you. Not on me. I don't have have to tell you who's ruling the Union, because I never made the claim to know it in the first place. You show me proof that Merkel is your Fuhrer. That's what I want to know. I mean this should be really easy, no? If she's this powerfull leader with this unquestioned authoritiy over the member states. Isn't the Brexit kinda proving right now that Merkel das NOT have the power over everyone? And to put everyone in line as she likes? It's not Merkel that is holding back Article 50. You have to ask British politicans for that fiasko. Not Merkel. You have to say thank you to Cameron to the shit that happens and happend in the UK. Not to Merkel. And the same is true for any other European nation.

You know, I am just sick and tired of this, Buhuhuu! Evil Germany! Damn Nazis! They force everything on us! They rule the Union! And act like we have some troops deployed in their capitals with this mental image of Germany raping Greece or Spain or what ever. I am the first one to admit that Germany IS exploting other nations. Yes. But you know, this is a medal with two sides. There are politicans in Spain, Greece and the UK. And where are they? Their populists sit in the European Parliament like Nigel for the last 20 years, stealing money from the EU just like all those bureaucrats. Why hasn't Greece touched the money of their wealthiest citizens yet? Where are their taxes? Merkel isn't the one telling Greece that they shouldn't start some SERIOUS reforms in their shitty tax system.

And always when I ask questions like, Where does Merkel rule over you? Where does the EU violate your souvereignity? Where does the EU violete YOUR PERSONAL RIGHTS? Do I get an clear answer or an clear example. No. Of course not.

We dont have to do anything Merkel says, I was just commenting that what Merkel says generally goes and she has a lot of power in the EU, far more that the bureaucrats.

What kind of Strawman? Just answer the damn question ... where has she a lot of power? It should be REALLY REALLY easy to find examples, no? Maybe Merkel is getting her point across so well, that the other national leaders that YOU ellected agree with her?

Naw ... that would mean that it's not the EU but actually the people that vote for their own parties that are at fault. Naw. That can't be possibily true. It must be those shady bureaucrats in Brussel and that shady and sneaky merkel ruling over everyone with an iron fist ...

 

[Throatpunch]

And last I checked, you said she was ruling, forcing heir ideas on others.

Last time I checked I said that she has the whip hand and more power than the bureaucrats, and you are just making things up which is really annoying.

It's a Union. So I would say their member states. Some have more influence then othes.

This is pretty much exactly what I am saying. Germany is the most economically powerful nation in the Union, and that matters a lot. Henceforth she has a position of power so she can push her specific agenda and shape the way the Union works and what it does. For example, Merkel sympathises with refugees, and wants to help them, so she let in millions of them in, and other EU countries followed her example.
Or with the Austerity thing, Angela Merkel believes that austerity is the best cure to chronic debt and economic problems, so she recommended the other leaders of countries implement it, and so they did.

What kind of Strawman?

The one where you refute an argument I never put forward. You are very good at it.

You show me proof that Merkel is your Fuhrer. I don't have to proof who's ruling the Union.

You are infuriating. I NEVER SAID SHE WAS TOTALLY IN CHARGE. What I did say was she has a position of power in the EU, a stronger position than everyone else.
Also, here's a challenge. Try not to mention Hitler or Nazism or anything to do with that in any discussions for the next week. I bet you cannot do it.

Isn't the Brexit kinda proving that Merkel das NOT have the power over everyone? It's not Merkel that is holding back Article 50. You have to ask British politicans for that fiasko. Not Merkel.

You are very good at misunderstanding me. As I said, she has a position of power in the EU and can have things done the way she prefers Union - Wide, like with the migrants and austerity.

That can't be possibily true. It must be those shady bureaucrats in Brussel and that shady and sneaky merkel ruling over everyone with an iron fist ...

Stop making shit up left and right, I never said anything like that and I don't believe Merkel rules with an iron fist. For the third time, all I believe is that she holds the whip hand in Europe.

A question for you now. Are you deliberately misunderstanding what I am saying for some reason, or am I saying it wrong and you are misconceiving because of that, or do you just not get it?
Because I say she has the whip hand in the EU, and you interpret that as me saying that she is the iron handed fuhrer. Explain that to me.

 

[Throatpunch]

You know, I am just sick and tired of this, Buhuhuu! Evil Germany! Damn Nazis! They force everything on us! They rule the Union! And act like we have some troops deployed in their capitals with this mental image of Germany raping Greece or Spain or what ever. I am the first one to admit that Germany IS exploting other nations. Yes. But you know, this is a medal with two sides. There are politicans in Spain, Greece and the UK. And where are they? Their populists sit in the European Parliament like Nigel for the last 20 years, stealing money from the EU just like all those bureaucrats. Why hasn't Greece touched the money of their wealthiest citizens yet? Where are their taxes? Merkel isn't the one telling Greece that they shouldn't start some SERIOUS reforms in their shitty tax system.

That tears it. I am so fed up with these unrelated essays and strawmen you randomly generate I am not going to debate with you anymore about politics. Its not worth the effort.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Dude, maybe it is a language thing ... but I have the feeling you're contradicting your self. In somesense you blame Merkel, but at the same time you say "We don't have to do anything she says!"

THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT! JUST DON'T DO WHAT SHE SAYS, GOD DAMNIT!

Last time I checked I said that she has the whip hand and more power than the bureaucrats, and you are just making things up which is really annoying.

By asking you for examples? And I am making things up ... aaahsoo!

I will ask again, if Merkel had so much more power than the European Parliament, for example, then show me where she does. Beacause I would be actually genuely curious to hear it. If you come in here, saying "(...)she has the whip hand and more power than the bureaucrats" then you should be capable of offering examples, or not?

This is pretty much exactly what I am saying

Hey! Know what? Let us take a look at what you said:

"They are basically useless pen pushers. She makes all the major decisions. "
"but they don't make really important decisions about Europe's direction in the future and what happens in the EU like "
"It was Merkel's idea to let in the millions of refugees and migrants and her that made the decision to do it."

All I was asking from you are specific examples.

We dont have to do anything Merkel says, I was just commenting that what Merkel says generally goes and she has a lot of power in the EU, far more that the bureaucrats.

So, to translate this ... You don't have to follow Merkel, but you do it anyway ... cuz, why again? Because, you love to complain about how you didn't had to follow her and did it anyway?

To me this sounds more like that you're used to blame Merkel for every shit that's happening.

Because I say she has the whip hand in the EU, and you interpret that as me saying that she is the iron handed fuhrer. Explain that to me.

Then SHOW it to me, WHERE DOES SHE HAVE THE WHIP HAND, A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.
And don't say again "(...)It was Merkel's idea to let in the millions of refugees and migrants and her that made the decision to do it".
There simply was no alternative to taking the refugees. They have been already on their way. At the borders. NOT taking them in would have lead to a crysis. So when you say, Merkel had the whip hand, it sounds like there was some alternative to taking in the refugees.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Bruh, the EU must fall for Putin's glory.

 

[RoboStang]

Bruh, the EU must fall for Putin's glory.

Your shitposts are starting to give me a brain tumor m8.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Your shitposts are starting to give me a brain tumor m8.

But that's seriously what Putin wants.

It's why he supported Brexit because he saw it as the beginning of the end, so to speak.

Anyway, these dry discussions need some shitposts to lighten up.