A video on the Brexit and why the UK should leave.

[RangerBoo]

But he is a business magnate, not a EU official and also an 85 year old billionaire. This changes nothing for him. He could buy an island in the pacific and live out the rest of his life eating grapes from the bodies of supermodels.

But he also tries to get countries to vote for whatever will help his business more and make him more money. Soros is also very active in the political community and for the longest time he has felt like he has had sway in everything going on in western politics. There is a reason why many Americans call him "Uncle Soros" due to how many politicians in the states are in his pocket. For now only time will tell if things work out for the Brits but in the mean time I am enjoying seeing Soros get a dent in this armor.

 

[MutantScalper]

Oh I'm sure Nigel Farage will bring in loads of money from...somewhere into the UK to keep them afloat. I mean he promised so, didn't he?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...million-pledge-to-fund-the-nhs-was-a-mistake/

"Nigel Farage has admitted that it was a "mistake" to promise that £350million a week would be spent on the NHS if the UK backed a Brexit vote.

Speaking just an hour after the Leave vote was confirmed the Ukip leader said the money could not be guaranteed and claimed he would never have made the promise in the first place.

The pledge was central to the official Vote Leave campaign and was controversially emblazoned on the side of the bus which shuttled Boris Johnson and Michael Gove around the country."

 

[AskWazzup]

But he also tries to get countries to vote for whatever will help his business more and make him more money. Soros is also very active in the political community and for the longest time he has felt like he has had sway in everything going on in western politics. There is a reason why many Americans call him "Uncle Soros" due to how many politicians in the states are in his pocket.

Well now that UK are out EU, they will have even less of an influence to counteract his supposed schemes.

 

[RangerBoo]

Well now that UK are out EU, they will have even less of an influence to counteract his supposed schemes.

I wonder why he won't die. I mean, I don't wish him death but I am just sick and tried of these rich fucks who think they can buy politicians and elections. Then again that has been going on since the days of the ancient Roman senate. Funny how things never change even after over 2000 years!

 

[Risewild]

What happens if Scotland and North Ireland wants to stay in the EU? I mean they both got the majority of votes for "Stay in the EU", will it be possible for these territories to somehow stay in the EU while the rest of the United Kingdom leaves? Will this prompt these territories to want to split from the UK somehow?
Will the United Kingdom become the Divided Kingdom?
Food for thought.

 

[RangerBoo]

What happens if Scotland and North Ireland wants to stay in the EU? I mean they both got the majority of votes for "Stay in the EU", will it be possible for these territories to somehow stay in the EU while the rest of the United Kingdom leaves? Will this prompt these territories to want to split from the UK somehow?
Will the United Kingdom become the Divided Kingdom?
Food for thought.

From what I read, Scotland wants another vote for independence so that way they can go join up again with the EU. It looks like it is heading into that direction but its too early to tell.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Well I would reckon that people are sick of globalism and they don't want people from other countries dictating how their country should be run. I mean, from what I read, Britain has a pretty bad immigration problem that the EU could give two shits about because political correctness.

And now that they eventually will leve the EU, they will have to still follow EU laws - see Norway - without any say in EU politics ... if their intention was to get less regulations and more independence, than this will not grant them any. Unless they think that 15+ nations will adjust to UK standards suddenly.

I still do not understand it why people always blame the EU for NATIONAL problems ... Britain has an issue with immigration? Why should the EU give even a fuck. Spain, Itally and Greece have been dealing with this problem since the 1950s. Hard. And now as Britain, France and Germany suddenly have to deal with the consequences of their fucked up foreign policy ... they cry like as the goths or huns would be back. I don't get it. Oh? Well I guess immigration was never a problem as long it happend to others I guess.

Seriously. I don't get it. Sorry if this sounds like a rant I don't want to attack you or something ... but it simply is so baffling how emotions yet again, rule out reason and logic.

This Brexit will not solve any of the UKs problem. Since the EU is not the source of their issues ...

I am not going to go deeply into it for fear of being called a racist. Never underestimate how much people hate political correctness and social justice.

Stomping around like a spoiled child with "leave the EU!" or "NO MORE MUSLIMS" or "make INSERT-NATION-HERE great again!" won't change it.

You people want to see how glorious and awesome it is when Unions brake apart? Look at Serbia, Croatia, Slowenia and the rest of the former Yugo states today on the Balkan.

 

[Antiwarprofallout]

You people want to see how glorious and awesome it is when Unions brake apart? Look at Serbia, Croatia, Slowenia and the rest of the former Yugo states today on the Balkan.

Yugoslavia was a centralized country with nationalist elements trying to ethnically cleanse territories so they could make their own countries out of the falling state. There is little to compare to the EU, especially when most of the EU handles nationalism with votes and the EU doesn't have an army (yet) that it can march into places to occupy.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Maybe ... I am more comparing the mindset you know. I am not Pro-Yugo, I think there was no other way but to disband it. However, not everything under Yugo rule was bad. And people still feel the economic disvantages of it. Before the civil war, you had a lot of the advantages that you get with the EU. Free travel, free work, free trade, studying etc. Now, it is a lot more complicated, a lot more expensive, and many people want to see their nation return to former glory, you know make Serbia/Croatia/Slowenia great again! - What ever that means, in other words the right is on the rise. And that was like almost 20 years ago.
I am just not sure why UK thinks that leaving the EU, which was build on the principle of peace and prosperity, would improve the situation. Even in the long run. Let us imagine the worst case scenario. IT seems Britain and Ireland do not share the decision of the UK as whole. And Scotland might want to get out again but staying in the EU ... and soon enough you will have a serious clusterfuck where the British government might never recover fully from the drawbacks.

 

[Antiwarprofallout]

Well Juncker admits that the EU is going to be worse off, and he's also been pushing for a EU army (Bulgarians patrolling London to enforce curfew after protests), so it looks like the EU is going to be bad even if it did start to go up economically.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Putin likes this discord very much... Putin thinks he can invade now.

 

[Meurzh]

Flee the abusive relationship and watch it all burn down from the sidelines.

 

[MutantScalper]

I guess if the future leaders of UK choose to do so, they could even encourage the anti-EU feeling in remaining EU nations. And vice versa EU countries could provoke unstability in UK by supporting Scotland etc.

 

[SuAside]

Well Juncker admits that the EU is going to be worse off, and he's also been pushing for a EU army (Bulgarians patrolling London to enforce curfew after protests), so it looks like the EU is going to be bad even if it did start to go up economically.

Armies are not allowed to do any policing, without special approval from the host nation.
That's why armies and police are separate. Police protects the people from within, army protects the people from enemies from without. If you let armies do policing, the people tend to become the enemy.

EU army makes sense. We're already doing it. Belgium shares its navy with the Dutch, its jet fighter training with the French and has a shared army battalion with the Germans.
Most EU countries are too small (or have too small budgets) to have a worthwhile army, so why not share? We have similar goals: national security, peace keeping, etc.

 

[Throatpunch]

Armies are not allowed to do any policing, without special approval from the host nation.
That's why armies and police are separate. Police protects the people from within, army protects the people from enemies from without. If you let armies do policing, the people tend to become the enemy.

EU army makes sense. We're already doing it. Belgium shares its navy with the Dutch, its jet fighter training with the French and has a shared army battalion with the Germans.
Most EU countries are too small (or have too small budgets) to have a worthwhile army, so why not share? We have similar goals: national security, peace keeping, etc.

Yeah I thought it was a good idea. A bigger budget and less cost to individual nations, it'd work with the coast guard too. An EU with an army and high military spending would be great, that would really teach the Russians and Chinese who not to fuck with. Of course nations should keep their own militaries, but perhaps each one is required to contribute to the big army.

 

[Antiwarprofallout]

When the host nations are relegated to provinces in a empire, you don't need their permission to deploy army units from bases inside to quell any revolts.

the people tend to become the enemy.

Hmm, why would a undemocratic group of rich people with delusions of grandeur (the EU commission) care about the people becoming the enemy when they have been striving in their careers to unite Europe?

EU army makes sense. We're already doing it. Belgium shares its navy with the Dutch, its jet fighter training with the French and has a shared army battalion with the Germans.
Most EU countries are too small (or have too small budgets) to have a worthwhile army, so why not share? We have similar goals: national security, peace keeping, etc.

Why have an army with no national security threats nearby? Russia is barely strong enough to invade part of Georgia (while getting units stuck for days doing nothing), Islamic Jihadism is blowback from military invasions and bombings (albeit mostly from America, which all of Europe could probably put an end to if they just kicked them out) and can't even be defeated by a traditional military, and no European nations are going to fight because they trade so much.

An EU with an army and high military spending would be great, that would really teach the Russians and Chinese who not to fuck with

What the heck do the Chinese do to Europe? Anyway, Europe and NATO have been the aggressor as of late against Russia, not the other way around, and Russia couldn't even hope of having a military/population/industrial capacity to invade Europe.

 

[Throatpunch]

Why have an army with no national security threats nearby? Russia is barely strong enough to invade part of Georgia (while getting units stuck for days doing nothing), Islamic Jihadism is blowback from military invasions and bombings (albeit mostly from America, which all of Europe could probably put an end to if they just kicked them out) and can't even be defeated by a traditional military, and no European nations are going to fight because they trade so much. What the heck do the Chinese do to Europe? Anyway, Europe and NATO have been the aggressor as of late against Russia, not the other way around, and Russia couldn't even hope of having a military/population/industrial capacity to invade Europe.

The fuck? Nice strawman.
Nobody ever mentioned a Russian invasion, just saying it would stop them being so ballsy and dickish.

What the heck do the Chinese do to Europe?

On the subject of the Chinese:
Firstly: China the EU almost had a trade war with the Chinese on solar panels.
Secondly: tensions between the USA and China are warming up and their ends up being a confrontation the Americans will almost certainly try to drag the EU into it, and even if we try to stay out of it, war always finds a way to pull other people in. So a EU army would be useful there too, against the strong American military and a strong EU one China would find it very hard.

 

[Antiwarprofallout]

The fuck? Nice strawman.
Nobody ever mentioned a Russian invasion, just saying it would stop them being so ballsy and dickish.

Ballsy and dickish, like supporting a coup in Ukraine and constantly expanding against Russia? Because it looks like the EU would take over the role of NATO as "Anti-Russian force".

On the subject of the Chinese:
Firstly: China the EU almost had a trade war with the Chinese on solar panels.

How exactly would you propose independently moving a European army to a position near China?

Secondly: tensions between the USA and China are warming up and their ends up being a confrontation the Americans will almost certainly try to drag the EU into it, and even if we try to stay out of it, war always finds a way to pull other people in. So a EU army would be useful there too, against the strong American military and a strong EU one China would find it very hard.

If war started between America and China, it'd end soon because both of their economies would be shit without eachother's trade.

 

[Throatpunch]

How exactly would you propose independently moving a European army to a position near China?

We are getting way too far into useless surmising here, but just saying it would be useful to have some kind of grand coalition of the willing against the Chinese in a war scenario.

Ballsy and dickish, like supporting a coup in Ukraine and constantly expanding against Russia? Because it looks like the EU would take over the role of NATO as "Anti-Russian force".

Evidence of expanding against Russia?
Anyway, perhaps if Russia weren't putting the military in Ukraine to aid pro Russian separatists this wouldn't be an issue. Russian tanks and soldiers have been “decisive” in winning key battles against government troops in eastern Ukraine, the commander of a separatist “special forces” detachment has admitted. “all operations, especially large-scale ones, are led by Russian officers, by Russian generals,”. “They develop plans together with our commanders ... and then we fulfil the orders.”

If war started between America and China, it'd end soon because both of their economies would be shit without eachother's trade.

Don't make such blanket statements, you can never guess how a war would go.

 

[Crni Vuk]

I would rather see the money going to help social and political reforms than an European army. We really don't need that much of an military force in this day and age. What we have to fight in Europe right now, is inequallity, social instability and the lack education. The extreme right and popullists with their growing nationalism are gaining a lot of traction in Europe. They do already influence the politics in a lot of nations. So if we don't want to find our selfs once in a Europe that is like Hungary, where a lot of people are treated like second class civilians, we have to do something. Now.