American Poor still better then European

Sander said:
Goddamnit, Wooz. I must've shown this article a thousand times already:
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
Bush is not dumb.

Geez Sander, I didn't expect you to trust one single article this much. They kind of contradict their own statement about Bush's average to above-average IQ with the quotes at the bottom of the page. This could be Republican propaganda, you should read other things before flashing the article like it was some kind of holy text.


Sander's article said:
Bush made a month-long excursion to China while his father was stationed there, which the New York Times summed up as "trying to date Chinese women (unsuccessfully) during a visit to Beijing in 1975."

Holy shit, President Rice king!
 
Big_T_UK said:
Kharn said:
Jebus said:
And how crucial were those minutes?
...What Bush did: sat around for a while, before wandering off and not coordinating much of anything, from what I hear
Firstly, I'm not Jebus. :evil:

That was the highlight of your NMA career. Being mistaken for me is the biggest compliment one can get...
 
Or sheer hard work (in Branson's case, not Bush's).
...
No, sheer hard work is not enough to get somewhere. As I said, you'd need luck, skill charisma or something else as well. You'll never make it "just" by working hard.

Geez Sander, I didn't expect you to trust one single article this much. They kind of contradict their own statement about Bush's average to above-average IQ with the quotes at the bottom of the page. This could be Republican propaganda, you should read other things before flashing the article like it was some kind of holy text.
Ehh...have you read anything else on rotten.com? Rotten.com's library is one of the most anti-republican parts of the 'net. I do know which articles I seek out as a basis.
Plus, I think that Bush's image of a dense dumby was very carefully and purposefully crafted to make him seem a man of the people.
 
No, sheer hard work is not enough to get somewhere. As I said, you'd need luck, skill charisma or something else as well. You'll never make it "just" by working hard.

But you can't count on luck or charisma. That something else is the will to go far.

I'm basing my thing on the fact that I heard that Richard Branson was supposed to be dyslexic.
 
But you can't count on luck or charisma. That something else is the will to go far.

I'm basing my thing on the fact that I heard that Richard Branson was supposed to be dyslexic.
:roll:
What are you people, completely blind?
If the will to go far was all you needed, I'd be seeing a lot more mason-millionaires, you know.
 
Sander said:
:roll:
What are you people, completely blind?
If the will to go far was all you needed, I'd be seeing a lot more mason-millionaires, you know.

The problem has to do with the age of capitalism and the American dream. There is not a limitless amount of wealth, hence there can not be a limitless amount of wealthy. The "American Dream", however, stems from a time when this was not the case, and anyone who wanted to be rich had a very good chance of doing so. You didn't need to be smart, or resourcefull, or blessed, tho' all those things would help. All you needed was a pickaxe and perseverance. Huzzah!

Those days are long gone, tho'. It's a generally accepted sociological theory that all societies with its different class-systems grows set when the ability to expand internally or externally decreases. This is the case with the Western world, and the only times when the American Dream is even a bit valid is when new holes are punched in the wall and new chances created, like the internet-bubble.

For the most part, tho', the American Dream is dead. But for obvious reasons, the American still need to cling to it.
 
They cling onto the American Dream because the government and the education system convince them to hold onto it. It could be compared to the lottery, "It could happen". They fail to mention this part of the quote: "But the odds are against you."
 
It's part of Capitalism as a whole. For there to be people at the top, there has to be people at the bottom. Someone has to work the small parts and support those who are able to manage a monetary distinction.

But when the people at the bottom don't have jobs anymore because the jobs are sent overseas, manufactured goods are bought from Chinese sweatshops, their own lower class gets poorer and unemployed while the rich get richer because they can have the crap made cheaper and price it the same. This, in case people can't tell, royally fucks the economy. Who promoted that?

That rather adds further defeat to the whole system, too. It's kind of pathetic to say that American poor are still better off than Europe's when there's more poor created every day because their job was handed off to someone else in another country because their already rich CEO wants to cut costs.
 
Rak The UnDead said:
I'm basing my thing on the fact that I heard that Richard Branson was supposed to be dyslexic.
*sigh*
Dyslexic does not equal stupid.
Sander said:
If the will to go far was all you needed, I'd be seeing a lot more mason-millionaires, you know.
I doubt it. Most people are too lazy to work 18 hour days seven days a week. Maybe you misunderstand just what I meant by "hard work" in this case. Meh, certainly I'm too lazy to work that hard.

And Rosh, Yeah, most of America's "poor" jobs will soon be in Eastern Europe and India.
 
Big_T_UK said:
Rak The UnDead said:
I'm basing my thing on the fact that I heard that Richard Branson was supposed to be dyslexic.
*sigh*
Dyslexic does not equal stupid.

Don't you think I know that? Dyslexia doesn't equal stupidity, but it certainly says "disadvantage", especially in the American system, according from what I've seen, where grades are supposed to be paramount. Of course, it seems so easy to get an A, in comparison to Ireland, where Bs are good marks for a lot of people.
 
RAKTHEUNDEAD said:
Of course, it seems so easy to get an A, in comparison to Ireland, where Bs are good marks for a lot of people.
Dude, a "B" is good. An "A" grade is supposed to be excellent. Except in the British system, where they seem intent on giving everyone an "A".

From your original post, it's not that surprising that I drew the coclusion that I did. Never mind, lets drop it.
 
Dyslexia doesn't equal stupidity, but it certainly says "disadvantage"


That’s not true. I think it’s even an advantage. It’s kind of hard for me to talk about it, since I’m bias, but I almost never studied, since this “condition” gives me a great ability to visualize, which made me have excellent grades only by attending the classes.
 
Karkow said:
Dyslexia doesn't equal stupidity, but it certainly says "disadvantage"


That’s not true. I think it’s even an advantage. It’s kind of hard for me to talk about it, since I’m bias, but I almost never studied, since this “condition” gives me a great ability to visualize, which made me have excellent grades only by attending the classes.
Yep. But I still almost got straight D's in Grade School in English because of Spelling. Not to mention math...
 
ConstipatedCraprunner said:
Not to mention math...
I'm not sure that you can seriously blame your failure in Maths on dyslexia. Unless your exams relied heavily on word problems.

Seriously, dyslexia is like Autism (although to a much lesser degree). It usually manifests itself as an inability/difficulty to understand the written word, but it's really a different way of looking at the world.
 
I'm not sure that you can seriously blame your failure in Maths on dyslexia. Unless your exams relied heavily on word problems.
Surely you've had the math teacher with the inflated sense of how important her job is? No "math is a language" thing?

Well, it is, largely. I actually have a better time with word problems, as I can tell what they mean in context. Imagine doing something like long division or geometry and mixing up all the numbers.

Though, to be honest, I'm just no good at math.

Seriously, dyslexia is like Autism (although to a much lesser degree). It usually manifests itself as an inability/difficulty to understand the written word, but it's really a different way of looking at the world.
Yes, it's a diffirent way of looking at the world. Then again, it's nowhere near autism (which actually is'nt a disadvantage, at least not inherintly, save in the whole empathy department). Like Krakow said, it's looking at the world through images. Alot of fascinating people are/where dyslexic. It's not like Autism, where the only way you can deal with something is in meticulous order. and start clawing at you're veins because you did'nt get to K-Mart at 3:30 on Saturday.
 
This is getting completely out of context, but oh well…

Actually I’m pretty good with geometry… projective (or descriptive) geometry that is, while sucking immensely at the type of math that deals with number and formulas and whatever. Projective Geometry I like, really. I often enjoy solving geometrical problems extra-curricular; probably that’s why I had a 20 in my exam (from 0-20). But the most simple of math factions screws with my head…

And this was, basically, the reason that led my doctor to believe I have dyslexia. He was intrigued by the fact I had such ease visualizing even the most complex geometrical problems while having enormous problems with simple divisions. Then, observing other parts of my life, personality and abilities he had the confirmation.

Hey, I don’t know better. Discovering it made no difference whatsoever. It just gave an explanation to some aspects of my life…

Hum… and spelling is also some kind of trouble. Mostly when I think about 5 different ways to write the same word and have trouble finding out which one is it. But that doesn’t stop me from loving words and writing. I usually write myself, in my home language…

P.S.: Why does everyone insists on calling me “Krakow”?
 
That's actually quite easily. Krakow is a well-known city in Poland, while Karkow doesn't mean everything. When people think of your handle, they don't pay close attention, and assume that your handle is a word they are familiar with. In this case, Krakow. Even Spell Checkers want to correct your name to "Krakow."

The problem with schooling systems is that they almost all assume that everyone is inherently similar. Obviously, this isn't the case, down to the smallest details. For example, I have a rather oblivious mind, for words especially. I rarely spot spelling mistakes (which plays hell with coding as well, I'll never spot my mistakes in commands) in any writing, because I barely look at a word before reaching a conclusion as to what the word is. So my reading is excellent, I read quickly, and I have a great grasp of the English language. On the other hand, spelling mistakes elude me at the same time. It's just a little facet of my particular mind, revealed through extensive psychological testing (have to love the government).
 
doubt it. Most people are too lazy to work 18 hour days seven days a week. Maybe you misunderstand just what I meant by "hard work" in this case. Meh, certainly I'm too lazy to work that hard.

And Rosh, Yeah, most of America's "poor" jobs will soon be in Eastern Europe and India.
Okay, that does it, I give up.
 
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