Moe Canibo
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Sabirah said:
What...da...???
On the side not, organized religion is bad, like really really bad...mkay.
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It Wandered In From the Wastes
What...da...???
On the side not, organized religion is bad, like really really bad...mkay.
Moe Canibo
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Maybe because 99.9% of Russians are christians? If 99% of Russians were muslim or atheist, he would've killed tons of muslims or atheists.
Millions slaughtered throughout human history in the name of invisible man in the sky.
millions have ben slaughtered for money or land do you call those "evil" as well ? Throwing out generalizations have never made something "true".
Its a we bit more complicated then just "religion is evil" or "religion is always good!".
Its a we bit more complicated then just "religion is evil" or "religion is always good!".
Moe Canibo
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Killing someone for money or land at least makes some kind of sense. Killing someone because you think a 2000 year old poem written by a hashish fueled ascetic says so is a different thing.
Moe Canibo
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If you are trying to deny that organized religion is one of the greatest murderers and blindfolds in the history of mankind then i don't know what to tell you.
Moe Canibo
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Not every Nazi was responsible for the holocaust. Was Nazism bad?
Moe Canibo
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Yeah, i lost. I hope you feel better if you remember that every morning when you look yourself in the mirror and a small part of your humanity dies under the weight of a hijab.
PainlessDocM
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Sabirah said:
I'll continue blindly parroting Christopher Hitchens thank you very much.
PainlessDocM
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Sabirah said:
Yes all non-Muslim women dress like whores.
Hijabs aren't required by the tenants of Islam anyway, are they? I thought that the requirement was that women dress modestly and that Hijabs were a cultural development analogous to the bonnets Amish women wear (regardless of the fact that, AFAIK, it's not called for specifically in the Bible).
Moe Canibo: You seem to be overly fond of blanket statements, if you'll pardon my saying so. How about this one: Religion has traditionally been a civilizing influence that has tempered human nature with morality and allowed for an ordered society, and it is in large part responsible for bringing about the modern world? (Yes, even the good bits.)
If we're talking about religion as a whole, that's at least as valid as anything you've had to say in this thread so far.
Moe Canibo: You seem to be overly fond of blanket statements, if you'll pardon my saying so. How about this one: Religion has traditionally been a civilizing influence that has tempered human nature with morality and allowed for an ordered society, and it is in large part responsible for bringing about the modern world? (Yes, even the good bits.)
If we're talking about religion as a whole, that's at least as valid as anything you've had to say in this thread so far.
Moe Canibo
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Yamu said:
It certainly is. But this is 21. century. time for good ol' plain reason and logic. No need for flaming bushes and invisible lightning throwing men any more.
Yamu said:
Yeah. Arabic culture is strongly intertwined with popular Islam and Hijabs are in style with the Arabs so the rest of us ended up wearing it.
I like Hijabs though, It just annoys me that people think I have to wear it or I'm going to hell, and that people think I'm Arab when I wear it (granted a lot of us Indians do look like Arabs but still)
but was every nazi bad ? That is the important question.Moe Canibo said:
On the other side. Every discussion which gets "nazis" inside - by a simple senseless comparison like you did, gets pretty much killed. Simply because it holds no ground and is not very good. We should leave the nazis out of this. It serve no purpose then opening a whole new can of worms
You have to ask your self one thing first.
Are all religions the same ? Yes ? No ? Definitely No. Then why doing the same mistake here like many of those so called intellectual anti-religion fighters which think its all simply the pure evil.
People have always been killed, manipulated and tortured for either spiritual or material reasons. Whole stories have been written about it. Why did Alexander conquered half of the known world ? Why did the Nazis started their wars ? What was the reason for the crusades ? It are all very complex topics. And religion is not a simple white or black situation. It never was.
People tend to see the Islam and think its "one side" of the spectrum. That fanatism is a daily routine. But they forget its a religion which had more then 1000 years to evolve. What we see today or what we know by the public media is just a glimpse of it. And I doubt someone posting in here is either a professional for the Islam or Religion in general - no you don't have to follow it to study it I am talking about real education from a college and yes it makes a difference. Actually when it comes to religion fanatism is if people believe it or not rather "rare". Only a handful of people are usually that fanatic. Why ? Because living in extremes is very unhealthy. Even for the fanatics. Most of the time people actually try to co-exist with each other if possible. Under the surface even in totalitarian states the ordinary people are never "true followers". They just fear to get killed/tortured. Hence why pretty much any oppression be it by religion or idealogy gets overturned at some point.
Just pointing with the finger on some case and telling "religion is bad mkay!" will not help in any way. It is way to simple. I follow for example very closely Buddhism. Why do people think religion is a bad thing ? As long people don't hurt others I don't see why not everyone should believe what he wants. And I think many cultures are very interesting because they have eventually a completely different view and religion. I give for example the way how Inuits see the world just as much value like with the teachings of Buddha or the praying from Jesus.
Why does it bother you if someone beliefs in it as long he is neither a fanatic nor hurting/convincing anyone ?Moe Canibo said:
Believing in a burning talking bush is just as viable like believing in black holes. Sure the first is much less likely then the second case. But still people many times follow a believing because many people simply say "it has to be that way!" or because it has become popular - there was a time when people thought radiation was harmless you know.
But has it really all to be that way ? I mean do you posses the intellect to really calculate black holes or understand the math behind it ? I sure don't but I do believe in the logic behind how scienctists explained it so I think there are black holes out there but I don't take it as undisputable fact. After all time and knowledge change and each day we can learn more.
I am not saying the one is right and the other wrong. I am just saying that when it comes to the world around us there is only very very very little we really know or that we can check by our selfs. So one should have a bit more respect from other opinions even if they don't fit their own imagination and idea about the world. Because talking over others from a high horse sure helps not to make the argument stronger. I am just saying.
Imagine someone in thousand years is using a ship traveling between the stars and reveals that what we have as core in our milky way is not a huge black hole but a burning bush.
Moe Canibo
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It is harmful to the individual, harmful to society, promotes wars, terrorism, discrimination, racism, impedes the progress of science, instills false beliefs, indoctrinates into sheeplike state of mind, seeks submission to braindead mythical dogmas, encourages subjugation of women, promotes homophobia and child abuse. It is a tool whereby the masses can shortly relieve their suffering via the act of experiencing religious emotions. It is in the interest of the ruling classes to instill in the masses the religious conviction that their current suffering will lead to eventual happiness. Therefore as long as the people support religion, they will not attempt to make any genuine effort to understand and overcome the real source of their suffering.
The various modes of religion which are all considered by the people as equally true, by the philosopher as equally false, and by the politician as equally useful. Religious suffering is, at the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. It is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil, but for good people to do evil, that takes religion.
The various modes of religion which are all considered by the people as equally true, by the philosopher as equally false, and by the politician as equally useful. Religious suffering is, at the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. It is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil, but for good people to do evil, that takes religion.