Bethesda’s Pete Hines Fallout 4 interview

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I don't think it works for any other genre either. George Lucas isn't the only one that can make star wars, bob kane isn't the only one that can make batman, gene rodenberry isn't the only one that can make star trek...
 
Right.....You're that kid who gets all EMO everytime I write: "Josh sawyer dumbed down special"

Again, for the slow
Remember, Tim knows something about design, too, and "canon" doesn't really just mean "storyline"


A 2004 Quote from Sander:
"This Fallout community has gone through enough Fallout announcements, cancellations and mishaps
to have become so cynical and paranoiac that any game which is going to be made by any people other than the people who made Fallout 1 (or Troika, which has a lot of those people) is going to be criticised even before a single decision is being made about it."


And..
I suppose this quote from Leonard Boyarsky:
"For Fallout 2, Jason, Tim and I designed the main story arc and a few side quests before leaving Interplay.
They kept a lot of what we had designed, but changed some significant parts of it as well.​"

Even though I was the one who started the fifties ironic horror/comedy vibe.
Once it was established, however, I was the policeman who made sure that we hit that tone whether it was in the art or the design.


And this..
Van Buren was the internal project name for what was to be Black Isle Studio's third entry in the Fallout series of retro-futuristic apocalyptic hardcore RPGs. At its earliest point, it was sketched out by the original team of Fallout designers (Tim Cain / Jason Anderson / Leonard Boyarsky) while they were working on Fallout 2 at Black Isle.


And this.....
http://www.nma-fallout.com/showthread.php?157441-Troika-s-PA-RPG-shots!!
Troika "Fallout 3"



Maybe you just need to Shut The Fuck Up with your Arguments by Personal Opinion
Now take a Deep Breath and Try....try using to use some common sense while applying some logic





FAIL @ The Star Trek argument as Gene Roddenberry was still creative consultant till he died.
The Next Generation was a spin -off like Deep Throat 9 and Voyager
Also Paramount executive Rick Berman was assigned to the show at Roddenberry's request.
Roddenberry hired a number of Star Trek veterans.

NOTICE key WORDS such AS "Star Trek Veterans" & "Roddenberry's request" "Roddenberry's Blessing"
Roddenberry, although he did give his blessing to the concept shortly before his death for Deep Throat 9
Well...Enterprise was like a nighttime soap. and the re-boots really raped the Star Trek Lore.

FAIL @ Well George Lucas is the ONLY one to do Star Wars....Need people to help him focus.
If he would have used fucking models instead of being all futuristic.
problem was too many people kissed his ass never told him "NO to stupid ideas"
Lucas wants to be involved, doesn't want involvement, doesn't care anymore.....EITHER WAY he got $4Billion his choice.
And Disney already fucking up by scrapping the EU...

Really you Seriously Tried to Argue this???
TOTAL FAIL @ Bob Kane stole and sold Batman
Bill Finger GOT FUCKED OVER and he did ALL the WORK.


I'm not saying Tim is flawless in any way....he is the most qualified to do the job.
Yes everyone needs direction to get those ideas out
but he has expressed many, many times that IF he ever worked on Fallout again..he would Assemble the troops.

Now Let's compare Tim Cain to Lucas, Roddenberry, Bob Kane, Stan Lee, ....They had choice..
Tim is not involved, not appreciated, has to pay for Fallout merchandise.
He was Raped more than Bethesda Raped Fallout
 
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djmani said:
Right.....You're that kid who gets all EMO everytime I write: "Josh sawyer dumbed down special"

Again, for the slow
Remember, Tim knows something about design, too, and "canon" doesn't really just mean "storyline"


A 2004 Quote from Sander:
"This Fallout community has gone through enough Fallout announcements, cancellations and mishaps
to have become so cynical and paranoiac that any game which is going to be made by any people other than the people who made Fallout 1 (or Troika, which has a lot of those people) is going to be criticised even before a single decision is being made about it."


And..
I suppose this quote from Leonard Boyarsky:
"For Fallout 2, Jason, Tim and I designed the main story arc and a few side quests before leaving Interplay.
They kept a lot of what we had designed, but changed some significant parts of it as well.​"

Even though I was the one who started the fifties ironic horror/comedy vibe.
Once it was established, however, I was the policeman who made sure that we hit that tone whether it was in the art or the design.


And this..
Van Buren was the internal project name for what was to be Black Isle Studio's third entry in the Fallout series of retro-futuristic apocalyptic hardcore RPGs. At its earliest point, it was sketched out by the original team of Fallout designers (Tim Cain / Jason Anderson / Leonard Boyarsky) while they were working on Fallout 2 at Black Isle.


And this.....
http://www.nma-fallout.com/showthread.php?157441-Troika-s-PA-RPG-shots!!
Troika "Fallout 3"



Maybe you just need to Shut The Fuck Up with your Arguments by Personal Opinion
Now take a Deep Breath and Try....try using to use some common sense while applying some logic
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What are you exactly trying to prove? That Tim Cain was THE creator of Fallout (because that's not what you seem to be doing) or just Tim actually did something (which is obvious)?

Walpknut can make some good arguments (when he's not being a condescending asshole) so don't throw him off as an EMO who can't even give legitimate reasons. From what I know he can! But he can be an asshole while he's doing it. No offence.
 
Woah, people, how 'bout we all calm down a little, ok? No need to get all riled up.
 
So kinda like a certain website that was created off the idea of well.......Tim Cain's work.
I GUESS you didn't THINK ABOUT that before you WROTE that Idiotic opinion.

So I'll help remind you Sander's Quote about NMA
"This Fallout community has gone through enough Fallout announcements, cancellations and mishaps
to have become so cynical and paranoiac that any game which is going to be made by any people other than the people who made Fallout 1 (or Troika, which has a lot of those people) is going to be criticised even before a single decision is being made about it."

Again, for the Slow
"any game which is going to be made by any people other than the people who made Fallout 1/Troika"





Nothing I wrote was directed at you.
Stop acting like a Retarded Bethesda Immershuns Fag
 
djmani said:
So kinda like a certain website that was created off the idea of well.......Tim Cain's work.
I GUESS you didn't THINK ABOUT that before you WROTE that Idiotic opinion.

So I'll help remind you Sander's Quote about NMA
"This Fallout community has gone through enough Fallout announcements, cancellations and mishaps
to have become so cynical and paranoiac that any game which is going to be made by any people other than the people who made Fallout 1 (or Troika, which has a lot of those people) is going to be criticised even before a single decision is being made about it."

Again, for the Slow
"any game which is going to be made by any people other than the people who made Fallout 1/Troika"





Nothing I wrote was directed at you.
Stop acting like a Retarded Bethesda Immershuns Fag
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Well give me an example where the ensuing Fallout game ISN'T BAD (excluding Fallout New Vegas, most liked that and so people think Obisidan could make a good Fallout game). Can't think of one? There you go!

And who are you aiming the argument on? Walpknut or me? I'm guessing Walpknut... but who knows? And who is that last sentence on? Please add a target of your argument, it makes things easier.
 
Wasn't original fallouts made by Tim Cain and Brian Fargo? I hear none mention Brian at all. Was he just an executive producer and had no say on writing but just managing budget for the projects?

Anyways, Tim, Brian, Chris. All are great developers in their own right, By their own merits. But i feel that this notion if it's not the original it will suck is unwarranted cynicism. Which know all too well myself. One of the biggest problems from Bethesda's fallout compared to Black isles/Interplay's fallout. Was different direction. While Fallout 1 and 2 went for classical RPG's and in my opinion the only real way an RPG can work. With a vivid world with choice and consequences managing a consistent story with great writing. Things you love, Things you love to hate. You get the point. That wasn't the thing in fallout 3. Bethesda clear and evident mentality was that the only way for a RPG to work in their mind is if they just make a sandbox with different ways to kill things and let other things be subpar/minimum.
 
Fargo didn't have much hand in any of the original Fallouts beyond being the head of the publishing company. He had more of an involvement with the original Wasteland.

In any case some people online really seem like they need to attend an anger management class

 
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Walpknut Really seriously...didn't you write "your mom was a Teacher" and you STILL You LACK reading comprehension.
Then you fail trying to sound witty in your attacks.. sounding like a Sawyer-drone Fanboy

go back re-read what I wrote this time very slowly so you can process it before you make another uneducated Argument by Opinion
There was No "implying", "trying hard"
 
djmani said:
Walpknut Really seriously...didn't you write "your mom was a Teacher" and you STILL You LACK reading comprehension.
Then you fail trying to sound witty in your attacks.. sounding like a Sawyer-drone Fanboy

go back re-read what I wrote this time very slowly so you can process it before you make another uneducated Argument by Opinion
There was No "implying", "trying hard"
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Oh Mani, you are very angry.
Also you gotta have to actually be making a point. That wall of completely try hard rage said nothing, you literally proved absolutely nothign except that you are a pretty try hard kid who in the absence of havign anything to actually contribute you only quote shit that has no relation to anything and insult people with a very obvious lack of rythm. I mean, who even uses "Emo" as an insult in 2015?

Hell, for saying I lack reading comprehension you seem to have even failed to read the Leonard Boyarsky quote you put in there just because:
"For Fallout 2, Jason, Tim and I designed the main story arc and a few side quests before leaving Interplay.
They kept a lot of what we had designed, but changed some significant parts of it as well.​"
Which is exactly what I said, Tim Cain worked on pre production and some programming before he left, and the stuff he did got mostly redone.

That entire post was a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.
Seriously, you gotta go to an anger management class. And maybe learn to talk to people too.
 
Walpknut

Yes you do lack reading comprehension.
Considering I was Not even referring to Black Isle/Fallout 2 when I wrote about Tim Cain Fallout
And now you're going to cry wah wah i'm being insulted after you wrote your uneducated opinion?


"This whole "ONLY TIM CAIN CAN DO IT!" attitude you have feels very try hard, and very much ignorant of the actual workings behind the Fallout series. He very much is the big daddy of the series but you are almost implying that he did everything by himself."

Yeah well this 2004 quote from Sander is relevant to that IDIOTIC comment you wrote.
"This Fallout community wants a Tim Cain Fallout. "
YOUR COMMENT INSULTED EVERYONE WHO WAS AND IS A MEMBER OF THIS SITE LONG BEFORE YOU KNEW FALLOUT EXISTS(WHEN YOU STILL THOUGHT OBLIVIAN WSA TEH BESTESE ARPEG AVAR.) A TRY HARD IGNORANT THAT DOESN'T KNOW THE FALLOUT SERIES.
Good Job N00b and Nice way to prove you heard of Fallout thru playing Oblivian



I was writing how the creator of Fallout knows his world better than anyone.
we know he wrote the main ideas/story for 1, 2 & 3 with Jason and Leonard.
Tim knows something about design, too, and "canon" doesn't really just mean "storyline"
His time spent at Black Isle/Fallout 2 = IRRELEVANT
And It's his world ..his vision and ideas along with Leonard & Jason Is it really that hard to comprehend?
If you don't believe that then why are you signed up on a website founded off his creation??
Are you just here to Circle-Jerk about Josh Sawyer and Bethesda Fallout, how well (Un)versed you thing you are in Fallout Lore??


I only pasted those quotes after you had to make stupid opinionated arguments over Black Isle nonsense
Since you know so much about Fallout development show me where it reads Walknutz in Fallout 1 credits?? Fallout 2 credits??
And until you can produce your name in credits of development on Fallout 1 Shut The Fuck Up.

Oh By the way Idiot, he left midway thru Fallout 2 development.
You wrote "he left before production started" In your attempted attack
Tim Cain wrote "he left midway thru fallout 2
he even said he wrote...he just sucks at writing.

Final Assessment......you = Jackass
YOUR UNEDUCATED OPINIONS ARE TOTALLY INVALID
 
Maybe you should both calm down. Nothing will come out of it apart from giving us reasons why the other is an idiot. Honestly both of you are idiots. We're all idiots because we like Fallout 1 and 2, not the shit Bethesda shovels out. Let's just keep our tempers in check for bashing Bethesda lovers, not each other.
 
Seriously though, let's all get back to being civil about this, okay? No need for further insults and name-calling, you can keep that to spamming your respective inboxes if you must.
I never thought there'd be a religious debate about how much worship Tim Cain deserves compared to the other original devs...
 
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Seriously though, let's all get back to being civil about this, okay? No need for further insults and name-calling, you can keep that to spamming your respective inboxes if you must.
I never thought there'd be a religious debate about how much worship Tim Cain deserves compared to the other original devs...
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Hear, hear! Let's just give our thanks and tip of the hats to Tim Cain, Leonard Boyarsky and all of the Fallout team. They all helped make it so thank them all! They deserve it and it wouldn't do them justice if we just pointed to one guy and name him Messahiah (I botched that spelling so badly) of Fallout.
 
For all you Sawyerists:

"The character systems that have most influenced me are the ones in Darklands, Fallout, Mass Effect, and Oblivion. There are things that I utterly despised about the character systems in all of those games, but they were moving toward an ideal that I believe in very strongly: a shallow learning curve that expands into thought-provoking depth."


Sawyer explains that the one thing he thinks modern games have done well is to “make their RPG system rulesets clear and consistent”. “The old D&D systems were not very consistent,” he says. “They were full of trap builds and ‘gotcha’ moments and stuff like that. I don’t think that’s good, I think it restricts player enjoyment a lot, for not a lot of gain.”

“Maybe the grognards like it, but for everyone else it’s kind of frustrating and so we try to get away from that as much as possible.”



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