Bethesda planning a survival overhaul. Has hell frozen over?

Enemies now have 99.99% DR and 300 DT

Now even more bullets required!

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mrchaos said:
They had to copy something from New Vegas, although I´d prefer they had copied speech checks.

I bet this overhaul is going to need an overhaul mod to make it good.
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cratchety ol joe said:
Enemies now have 99.99% DR and 300 DT

Now even more bullets required!

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Then the excuses from apologists come flooding in "You're just bad at the game if you can't handle enemies that take tons of bullets!" or "This is meant for people who want a challenge and an immersive experience, obviously you can't handle it!".
 
Walpknut said:
It's gonna be great once modders fix it.
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People make light, but the whole reason I'm still playing 4 is, sadly, the mods... Although I think this Survival Overhaul thing is going to be like Skyrim's Horse Combat update, they'll just patch it in with the release (or announcement of) a DLC. Is that DLC though? Just semantics I guess, because content has been patched in long before the whole DLC craze started. Anyway, back on my original point! The only reason I'm still playing 4 is because I'm "Role-Playing" an NCR Ranger so disgusted by the commonwealth, he's cleansing it, one bullet at a time.
 
MercenarySnake said:
Then the excuses from apologists come flooding in "You're just bad at the game if you can't handle enemies that take tons of bullets!" or "This is meant for people who want a challenge and an immersive experience, obviously you can't handle it!".
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Yeah, screw those guys. Make them play Baldur's Gate on Core Rules or harder and see them complain about how the game sucks, because they keep hitting their party with their own spells, and I can't resurrect the hamster man because he exploded.
 
Realistically, I think it actually could be great once there is a character and dialogue system overhaul (changing the dialogue system isn't really much of an overhaul as it is allowing more than four options at once, so "overhaul" is an overstatement for the dialogue). Have new world space and quest mods that use this overhaul, such as Fallout: Lonestar, and the worst of Bethesda's mechanic mistakes will be resolved.

So again, as with Bethesda's previous recent games, mods can fix a lot of it. The main story and possibly most of the world space is unsalvageable if you're looking to create something that NMA would appreciate as part of Fallout, but new world spaces aren't held back, so that is IMO where the best potential for story mods lies.
 
Guys, a Dialogue System overhaul that allows more than four options is impossible or rather would be useless, they would need to rewrite almost the entire game's dialogue related scripts, it's way too much work, the game is hardcoded at four options at a time.
 
Walpknut said:
Guys, a Dialogue System overhaul that allows more than four options is impossible or rather would be useless, they would need to rewrite almost the entire game's dialogue related scripts, it's way too much work, the game is hardcoded at four options at a time.
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I don't doubt it's probably a lot of work, but is there no way to use one of those four options to open up four more options?
 
Without going into expectations or lack thereof, I have to say that I'm surprised by this. Seems at least like they're listening to what fans want and try to improve their game.
 
Walpknut said:
It's gonna be great once modders fix it.
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I don't think that's remotely possible. Wait, you were being sarcastic, weren't you?

Spacemunkey said:
Walpknut said:
Guys, a Dialogue System overhaul that allows more than four options is impossible or rather would be useless, they would need to rewrite almost the entire game's dialogue related scripts, it's way too much work, the game is hardcoded at four options at a time.
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I don't doubt it's probably a lot of work, but is there no way to use one of those four options to open up four more options?
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That method does already exist. When you choose your codename within the Railroad, you can open an additional three more options. Bethesda just hasn't bothered to use it more than once or twice, intentionally.

aenemic said:
Without going into expectations or lack thereof, I have to say that I'm surprised by this. Seems at least like they're listening to what fans want and try to improve their game.
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Either they thought they could pull releasing a game unfinished like every other AAA publisher these days, or something actually went wrong during development and they had to scrape it all together to make a "game".

Battlefield 4 improved over time and is now an excellent online shooter with minimal technical issues and free map updates every so often. Once the publisher stops steering the wheel, any game tends to get better. And even if they didn't stop steering, that still proves that publishers ushering in improvements based on fan feedback is pretty normal in the industry, whether they mean well or not.

mrchaos said:
Wasn´t there a review on IGN in which the reviewer complaing that F4 was hard and gave up?
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I think that says it all, really. Also, IGN.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
That method does already exist. When you choose your codename within the Railroad, you can open an additional three more options. Bethesda just hasn't bothered to use it more than once or twice, intentionally.
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And that's why they would need to rewrite all dialogue sequences scripts to be able to include such functionality.... even then that's a pretty shitty system, replacing a list with extra tabs that require a response from the NPC to access it everytime you switch tabs.... just, terrible interface design. Terrible beyond belief, it's almost grade student's first assignment level of bad, and they are a multi million dollar company.
 
Well look at these shit ideas people are having:
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-"Here's hoping it's something like the elder scrolls version of diseases. That'd make this game perilous at best for some play styles."

-"Vampirism in fallout 4 confirmed!"

-"I want to have the flesh of a ghoooouuuul"


Yeah if Bethesda listen to them then we're going to end up with vampires and wereclaws in Fallout 4 in a wacky DLC like Mothership Zeta.
"I heard you wanted some Elder Scrolls in your Fallout, so we put some Elder Scrolls in your Fallout so you could Elder Scrolls."
 
MercenarySnake said:
Well look at these shit ideas people are having:View attachment 2841

-"Here's hoping it's something like the elder scrolls version of diseases. That'd make this game perilous at best for some play styles."

-"Vampirism in fallout 4 confirmed!"

-"I want to have the flesh of a ghoooouuuul"


Yeah if Bethesda listen to them then we're going to end up with vampires and wereclaws in Fallout 4 in a wacky DLC like Mothership Zeta.
"I heard you wanted some Elder Scrolls in your Fallout, so we put some Elder Scrolls in your Fallout so you could Elder Scrolls."
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Alright, I know YouTube comments are pretty geniune about this, but most of the ones on Reddit are jokes. No, not "I hope". They really are just joke comments that aren't really that funny. Let's not make a fuss out of these.

Walpknut said:
And that's why they would need to rewrite all dialogue sequences scripts to be able to include such functionality.... even then that's a pretty shitty system, replacing a list with extra tabs that require a response from the NPC to access it everytime you switch tabs.... just, terrible interface design. Terrible beyond belief, it's almost grade student's first assignment level of bad, and they are a multi million dollar company.
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I'm very sure they knew exactly what they were doing. They clearly had to deliberately smash the original system down just so they could fit the wheel in and look cool to the rest of the market. I can tell. It's the kind of development process where they actually had to break something completely functional they already had just to make this new gimmick work.

They know perfectly how to do things, whoever tells them to do things just don't care.

Bethesda started out with a solid plan and somewhere along the way one big order came down from the suits to mimic The Witcher and Mass Effect and they had to rip it all apart to stuff this kind of stuff in. It's the kind of thing you can assume just from looking at how it works.

Again, Bethesda Softworks are not stupid. Assuming so is just going to give you surprises and not the good kind, time and time again. They know exactly what they're doing, whether you like it or not. All of it, the flawed features, the bugs, the inability to act as a good sequel within the Fallout series as a Fallout game. They know and they don't care. The only thing we can't be sure of (because we aren't in the company) is which part is the part that doesn't care and which part actually do care.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
Alright, I know YouTube comments are pretty geniune about this, but most of the ones on Reddit are jokes. No, not "I hope". They really are just joke comments that aren't really that funny. Let's not make a fuss out of these.



I'm very sure they knew exactly what they were doing. They clearly had to deliberately smash the original system down just so they could fit the wheel in and look cool to the rest of the market. I can tell. It's the kind of development process where they actually had to break something completely functional they already had just to make this new gimmick work.

They know perfectly how to do things, whoever tells them to do things just don't care.

Bethesda started out with a solid plan and somewhere along the way one big order came down from the suits to mimic The Witcher and Mass Effect and they had to rip it all apart to stuff this kind of stuff in. It's the kind of thing you can assume just from looking at how it works.

Again, Bethesda Softworks are not stupid. Assuming so is just going to give you surprises and not the good kind, time and time again. They know exactly what they're doing, whether you like it or not. All of it, the flawed features, the bugs, the inability to act as a good sequel within the Fallout series as a Fallout game. They know and they don't care. The only thing we can't be sure of (because we aren't in the company) is which part is the part that doesn't care and which part actually do care.
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I'm pretty sure they are serious about it, there was no "just kidding" or some indication after it saying they weren't serious. I have seen more comments on other sites like the Bethesda forums that want to have vampirism in Fallout and they were serious about it because it would be "cool" and pose a challenge.
 
MercenarySnake said:
I'm pretty sure they are serious about it, there was no "just kidding" or some indication after it saying they weren't serious. I have seen more comments on other sites like the Bethesda forums that want to have vampirism in Fallout and they were serious about it because it would be "cool" and pose a challenge.
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You do realise that Bethesda Softworks are run by a very competent circle of businesspeople, and that for all the shitty bits Fallout 4 had, they're not going to listen to random selections of Internet comments? These aren't worth worrying about.

If it's just stupidity that's your concern, then don't let it be concerning, because stupidity exists everywhere. There exists original Fallout fans who actually give inane suggestions like those ones.

Also, really? Who says "just kidding" after a joke hype comment?
 
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