If I gave you a steaming pile of crap (for FREE!), would you complain?
Bethesda Softworks Announces Creation Kit and DLC
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Is there any purpose to any of this DLC? The only entertainment value present in Fallout 3 disintegrates the instant you hit the level cap, wandering around in a few new areas will not alter that fact. Anchorage rings of pure fan service and the Pitt (according to its in game description) sounds to be nothing but a massive combat zone with little to no room for anything else.
Besides, according to Bethesda's own addition to Fallout lore, the Pitt itself was razed by the Brotherhood of Steel during the early years of their mobilization to the east coast, what's going to be there? More burnt structures containing absolutely nothing but the occasional generic NPC and poor excuse for a "dungeon"? The DC section of Fallout 3 already provided us with enough of that drivel.
They should, at the best, alter the game content and streamline their interface or SPECIAL system, you know, do what most developers tend to do when presented with the opportunity to modify their game in an extended release.
Honestly, downloadable content is a sad excuse for developers to ignore the expectations usually associated with expansions and milk more money out of gamers by providing them with bare and insipid pieces of two hour gaming.
Besides, according to Bethesda's own addition to Fallout lore, the Pitt itself was razed by the Brotherhood of Steel during the early years of their mobilization to the east coast, what's going to be there? More burnt structures containing absolutely nothing but the occasional generic NPC and poor excuse for a "dungeon"? The DC section of Fallout 3 already provided us with enough of that drivel.
They should, at the best, alter the game content and streamline their interface or SPECIAL system, you know, do what most developers tend to do when presented with the opportunity to modify their game in an extended release.
Honestly, downloadable content is a sad excuse for developers to ignore the expectations usually associated with expansions and milk more money out of gamers by providing them with bare and insipid pieces of two hour gaming.
If being a troll isn't your full time profession, could I interest you with a free opportunity of repainting my kitchen for me?Lichbane said:
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thefalloutfan
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Pope Viper said:
A construction set is one of the best extras you could give to your customers. Now that it'll come out we'll be seeing some absolutely great mods. Yet you call this a steaming pile of shit, and then you wonder why you're called such names eh?
If it was free and it was a steaming pile of crap, I'd just ignore it. It wouldn't even register on my radar. There are so many steaming piles of crap out in the world for free, why would it be any different.Pope Viper said:
I feel no compulsion to pick up a steaming pile of crap. I don't feel a sense of entitlement that says to me ... "Oh Look! Something is free ... but it's crap! I'm going to whine and complain because it should be a golden goose egg, and everyone knows that golden goose eggs should be free".
*sigh*
It's free. Take it or leave it. It's up to you.
It's funny that when people have an opposing point of view, they are accused of being a troll.Ranne said:
But as for the kitchen? No thanks. I choose not to. And furthermore, I'm not going to complain about it.
Yay, now unpaid modders can fix the thousands of bugs Beth won't bother with, because they're busy making dungeon hack DLC 
Rev. Layle
A Smooth-Skin
ok, probably already redundant:
yay, construction kit, whoop-dee-doo... how about a damn PC patch already?
yay, construction kit, whoop-dee-doo... how about a damn PC patch already?
TheFlyingBuddha
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Ranne said:
If I believed and cared about what everyone *promised* me I'd still be waiting for Jesus Christ to come back down to earth again. But that's not how I operate. I played Oblivion. I played FO3. As much as the latter game still has problems they did improve over the former. Is it still sorely lacking? Yeah, it is. I've posted to that effect all over the place here.
If your big complaint is it didn't live up to marketing hype, you're really missing out on the myriad of other legitimate gripes you could be indulging in. Even if I wear rose colored glasses, at least I keep my eyes open.
Hobo In A Box
First time out of the vault
At last, now I can make my dream quest!
Rev. Layle said:
As far as I remember there was more than one patch made for Oblivion, and another was made after Shivering Isles addon was published [this addon BTW came with very awful and game-destroying bug*]. And with what results? There are still many bugs, things that don't work correctly, things that are really messy [like missing textures]. There are some people who still work on Unofficial Patches [one for base game, one for Shivering Isles] which are huge.
It's even more funny when it comes to all those small DLCs like 'New House for Villain PC' and such stuff. Those small things also need some fan-made patches since they have bugs and can make some mess in a game. [Their poor implementation into storyline/gameworld is additional case but worth mentioning since it's also fixed by some useful fan-made mods]
Many of fanmade additions that are available for free and are mostly bigger and more complex than those small DLCs have definitely less bugs than those official buyable stuff.
So giving CS possibly sooner than patch isn't that bad since it probably would be be up to players to really patch game after all. And I mean patch, not creating some new content. It's kinda tradtion whan it comes to latest Bethesda's games that patches just pretend to fix game leaving many things untouched/overlooked.
I am saying it all just in context of having CS and patches.
I am not interested in those particular DLCs for Fallout 3 [they sound like too much combat and I am at the moment sick and tired of combat and dungeoncrawler].
Lichbane said:
The only actual addition to the game they're about to release is the the downloadable content, and, as far as I know, it's not going to be free, not by a long shot. The only "free thing" they are giving us then is the SDK, and it's exactly like the compensation-free opportunity to paint my kitchen I offered you above. The release of the editor will take away a lot of criticism and employ a inherently unfair practice of offering unpaid jobs for the sole purpose of extending the product's shelf life. Well that, and "catering to the fans of the series", of course...
Anyway, the practice may as well be commonplace, but it doesn't make it criticism-free, does it? Particularly considering that the previous release of Oblivion's CS was as half-assed as it was, and that BethSoft showed no interest in improving the game by their own efforts.So, when you make a statement like "They are giving you something for free, and your still finding a reason to complain", you're not communicating an intelligently expressed opposing viewpoint. You're provocating predictably negative reactions by deliberately misrepresenting facts. The technique known colloquially as... you got it, "trolling".
UncannyGarlic
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Where did you get the ridiculous idea that this was all going to be free? The DLC will be sold just like the DLC for Oblivion was and what was posted said nothing about the CS being free. Besides which, there are still a shitload of bugs in the game so they should really be working on fixing those instead of extra content, even if it was free, which it isn't.Lichbane said:
Indeed. I like expansions because I can count on there being a reasonable amount of content for the money spent but DLCs are almost always tiny amounts of content for way too much money (an example from Bethesda is their horse armor). Granted, this sounds like more than usual for Bethesda but I doubt that there is more than five hours of gameplay per DLC.Eyenixon said:
Rev. Layle
A Smooth-Skin
I didn't find that much lore really broken in F3 - the storytelling in F3 is pretty broken from a scripting/gameplay standpoint though.
UncannyGarlic
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Whoops, overlooked that. If the CS is buggy and/or crippled (which it almost certainly will be) then people are justified to raise hell about it since they'll have had to wait almost two months for it. Also, regardless of whether or not you are interested in the DLC it has reaching effects, effects like resources spent on it instead of patches for the game or fine tuning the CS.Lichbane said: