Bit-tech interviews Pete

[The Idiot]

We’ve seen it so many times before, that if you just keep reiterating on what was done before then your franchise will die. We have hundreds of examples of games that we used to play and which are no longer around because all they did was copy the last game. We want to shake things up a little bit more.

Irony much?

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

The problem is Tornadium that the gamers who start with Fallout 3 will never know any better.

As stated in someone else's topic, the gamers of today aren't interested in a game if it doesn't look like something that challenges a video card.

I honestly wish that Bethesda or Zenimax had made up their own future PA franchise than purchase a 'long forgotten franchise no one remembers'.

We remember, and we definitely will not forget what you assholes did.

 

[BowserJesus]

Gotta have somewhere to vent anger.



This whole "We own fallout" additude just irks me.

They own the rights to NEW games. The Lore and Reputation of 1 and 2 have nothing to do with them.

Holy crap, the whole FE community move here or something? lol

 

[Brother None]

Fwhatnow?

 

[gc051360]

Rather than go point by point through what Pete said, I'll just steal a line from "My Cousin Vinnie" and go with,

"Everything that guy just said is bull shit"

 

[Bainge]

God every piece of news that comes out about Fallout 3 is just making me more and more anxious to gets my hands on it.

 

[Brother None]

God every piece of news that comes out about Fallout 3 is just making me more and more anxious to gets my hands on it.

Now, now, isn't it "waaaay to [sic] early" for that?

 

[Bainge]

Good memory broseph. But I guess hype can only exist before something comes out though, then it's, actually I dunno what it is after, fact I guess?

I dunno I just came to this site hoping to find some people who loved the first two Fallouts as much as I did and could converse about how much we are looking forward to this game but I guess that can't happen because it seems that there is not another sole on this site that wants to actually play this game.

By all means if it ends up sucking the gigantic level of balls that you have all already labeled it doing than I will come back here and personally accept every single one of the "I told you so"s and lick your boots while I am at it. But until the next 55 days are over I have nothing but high hopes for Fallout 3.

Edit: Did I really put "to"? Damn you definitely have me there.

 

[Brother None]

But I guess hype can only exist before something comes out though, then it's, actually I dunno what it is after, fact I guess?

Uh, ok...so hype can exist prior to release but criticism can't?

Good philosophy. Who loves ya, babe? PR does!

I dunno I just came to this site hoping to find some people who loved the first two Fallouts as much as I did and could converse about how much we are looking forward to this game but I guess that can't happen because it seems that there is not another sole on this site that wants to actually play this game.

There's a handful. But if you want to have a "hai I'm really exited boot tis gaim!" "me too" "+1" "itll rawk" "goty 4 sure lulz" kind of conversation, I recommend GameTrailers.

Sorry we have failed to meet your expectations, tho'.

By all means if it ends up sucking the gigantic level of balls that you have all already labeled it doing than I will come back here and personally accept every single one of the "I told you so"s and lick your boots while I am at it. But until the next 55 days are over I have nothing but high hopes for Fallout 3.

Fair 'nough.

Though I should note you simply seem to have different expectations of a sequel to Fallout 2 than most of us do. As such, it's quite possible the game is more enjoyable to you than it would be to many of us.

 

[Sigoya]

Holy crap, the whole FE community move here or something? lol

You'd be surprised how long we've been here. NMA preludes the dinos.

 

[Drakehash]

I just make this account to tell how disappoint i am with the immershun falloutrees, hope besheda broke after release that piece of shit.

With love from Venezuela.

Ahh yes about the article, i think hines got his internal organs on different places, i mean how he can say so many bullshit, he got his ass on the face or what? or he talk with the ass?? don't know but i think that someone have to buy him some toilet paper and clean him up or down, who know...

Give thankz to the spell check, my english is really bad.

 

[FeelTheRads]

This whole "We own fallout" additude just irks me.

And there are people who wish they re-release the old games. I never understood that. Not when you can find it in pretty much every game shop and when there are hundreds of copies on ebay. Then why?
You can be sure they'd stamp their $10 logo all over it, probably in game as well. How would you like a "Bethesda presents Fallout 1" intro, huh? Then all truth will be lost. Is that what you want?

 

[Brother None]

And there are people who wish they re-release the old games.

They don't have the right to re-release the old games, Interplay owns that right. Interplay made a deal with Good Old Games (digital download service) to make Fallout 1 and 2 available there, and has made other localized republishing deals through the years.

 

[PaladinHeart]

I'm actually looking forward to Fallout 3, but I'm going to wait for reviews and see what players are saying before I decide whether I'll purchase it or not.

Bethesda seems to be on the wrong track, concerning quite a bit of the fallout canon. I'm not really that picky though. I always liked the old Ultima Underworld games, so Bethesda's games are just something else in the genre I happen to like. Plus a part of me is willing to buy the game just because Bethesda made Interplay pay their old employees when they purchased Fallout.

They're going to have to get the dialogue and freeform play right though. FPS games are a dime a dozen. If it plays like any other shooter.. then why bother? I could just play some more Half-Life 2.

All we have seen so far is the combat, which seems a little stale. I've been playing FEAR and it seems like more fun than the videos I've seen of FO3.

So yeah, they're going to have to get the RPG elements right or this is going to be a flop. I must admit though, graphically Oblivion come a long way from Morrowind, and now they actually have gibbing in their games. They're actually catching up to the 90's. Now if only they'd stop with the console market. >.<

I'm looking forward moreso to Blizzard's new games though. There's not much to look forward to in the gaming market these days, considering the 90% dominance by FPS, Racing, and Sports games.

Edit: BTW I've noticed Bethesda claims they are really into the gore stuff, but it seems kinda wimpy when the characters actually get gibbed, like 90% of the parts just get turned into bloody mist. This is not Fallout style gore, where even the blood seemed chunky. lol

 

[winterraptor]

>>> because it seems that there is not another sole on this site that wants to actually play this game.

If I only had a sole! Da duh da duh da da da da!

By all means if it ends up sucking the gigantic level of balls that you have all already labeled it doing than I will come back here and personally accept every single one of the "I told you so"s and lick your boots while I am at it.

I'm sure everyone here will be waiting with bated breath for that occasion. The acquiescence of pretentious newcomers is of paramount importance to the veterans here at nma, after all. Something tells me they'll be disappointed, though, as the game will indeed live up to your sterling expectations. But I guess forum goers can dream, can't they?

 

[Paul_cz]

I can't help it, but am still being positive.Pete's words don't interest me that much, just as Todd's - the fact that lead designer is Pagliarulo gives me hope.

And while you all think that their "immersion" reasons for bringing it into fps/tps 3D are bullshit, I don't - yes, I loved and finished both Fallout games eleven times since 1999, but I STILL want to play them from this new perspective, I want to see Vaults and wasteland and deathclaws and ghouls and whatnot from this perspective.
The fact that they incorporated pause aimed shot mode is good enough in combat for me - Fallout IMO could use some more fluidity in combat.

Of course, all that said, in the end it all comes down to wheter Bethesda can deliver on the setting, C&C, story, dialogues...if they fail in those respects, I will be bashing them more than anyone.

And I wonder - what if FO3 ends up being really great? What if really the only difference compared to previous games will be change of perspective, combat and east coast, but everything else will end up really great? Would you still not give it a chance and play it?

Or do you simply not enjoy fps/tps games and therefore it will suck no matter what?

 

[Brother None]

I can't help it, but am still being positive.Pete's words don't interest me that much, just as Todd's - the fact that lead designer is Pagliarulo gives me hope.

Oh, it is indeed wise not take what Pete and Todd say too seriously, that much is generally true.

And while you all think that their "immersion" reasons for bringing it into fps/tps 3D are bullshit, I don't - yes, I loved and finished both Fallout games eleven times since 1999, but I STILL want to play them from this new perspective, I want to see Vaults and wasteland and deathclaws and ghouls and whatnot from this perspective.

Good thing we have 3D technology, so we can easily adopt a camera to utilize both first person and bird's eye view!

Oh wait, that's not what we've done at all!

And I wonder - what if FO3 ends up being really great? What if really the only difference compared to previous games will be change of perspective, combat and east coast, but everything else will end up really great? Would you still not give it a chance and play it?

Heck...it'd have to have a Bloodlines-esque atmosphere, dialogue and storyline, but with more freedom and less stupid forced combat areas and a more enjoyable combat system...if all that's the case, I'll start considering a really good spinoff rather than just a lame spinoff.

It breaks too wildly with its predecessor to be considered a part of the same series. Its status as a spinoff game is kind of in the air.

I wouldn't hold any high hopes, tho'. If you look at Shivering Isles, supposedly the proof Bethesda can do dialogue and choice 'n consequence, you get a good sense that - really - they can't.

Or do you simply not enjoy fps/tps games and therefore it will suck no matter what?

Wait, you've been here a few months and you honestly, honestly think the problem is that we don't enjoy fps/tps games?

I enjoy FPS games. I just don't want Fallout 3 to be an FPS-game. Even FPS-esque.

 

[thenightgaunt]

I really liked this interview.
Sure there's alot to hate on but we actually get ot see the "Well fuck you, we didn't make this game for you" attitude of the Beth guys. It's like Pete finally just said to hell with all the PR bs and gave his honest opinions on things. Though that did make him come off as a much much bigger dick.

And what about his comment on overcharging for downloadable content?

"I don’t know if there’s a notion that we add stuff to the game until the day we ship it, but that isn’t true. The first thing you is stop adding content and focus on fixing. Every time you add something new then you’re probably breaking something else.

You add a new Raider and... well, you’d be stunned. You move a rock and suddenly it breaks everything and every third person in the game falls through the floor. You moved a rock and it broke this and changed that and tweaked that AI pathing and…it just did, ok. So, I guess you shouldn’t have moved that rock. "

This sounds like a guy who never tried to do a goddamned thing with the TES editor. Yeesh.

 

[Paul_cz]

Oh, it is indeed wise not take what Pete and Todd say too seriously, that much is generally true.

Agreed.

Good thing we have 3D technology, so we can easily adopt a camera to utilize both first person and bird's eye view!

Oh wait, that's not what we've done at all!

And thats the thing - because I enjoy games from fps/tps perspective (if done well - for example I could not play Halo 2 because of the low FOV), I don't miss bird's eye view.It was in a Witcher, I used it once - during tutorial.So..I don't mind its absence.But for other people that won't be the case, and you are right that since this IS a Fallout sequel, they could have incorporated it.

Heck...it'd have to have a Bloodlines-esque atmosphere, dialogue and storyline, but with more freedom and less stupid forced combat areas and a more enjoyable combat system...if all that's the case, I'll start considering a really good spinoff rather than just a lame spinoff.

It breaks too wildly with its predecessor to be considered a part of the same series. Its status as a spinoff game is kind of in the air.

I wouldn't hold any high hopes, tho'. If you look at Shivering Isles, supposedly the proof Bethesda can do dialogue and choice 'n consequence, you get a good sense that - really - they can't.

Yes! I LOVED Bloodlines.And if FO3 brings something similar in quality to Bloodlines in terms of dialogue, atmosphere and quests, but expands on it with this huge open world (Todd HowardTM) (while retaining good story), it will quite possibly be the best game since..Fallout 2 : ).

The thing about classifying it as a spinoff - for everyone, the important things about FO are different.Since for me those important things were not TB and ISO (and PnP roots), I will not have a problem saying its a true sequel (supposing its as good as we hope..)

I haven't played Shivering Isles yet, but I enjoyed (please don't kill me) Oblivion - although no C&C was present, dialogues were mostly monologues with stupid minigame, and leveling was REALLY stupid.But I still liked that game for its atmosphere and exploration aspects.And some of the quests were good. And eventhough Oblivion is opposite to Fallout in terms of gamedesign, I am still willing to give Bethesda benefit of the doubt - until I play the game.

Wait, you've been here a few months and you honestly, honestly think the problem is that we don't enjoy fps/tps games?

I enjoy FPS games. I just don't want Fallout 3 to be an FPS-game. Even FPS-esque.

Well that question was directed at nma in general, not at you specifically.But anyway, this is where our opinion differs : ).Although, I should have used term FPP, not FPS - I don't want it to be a shooter with player skills being more important than character skills.I would be perfectly happy with Van Buren and its perspective, but I am also happy with FPP/TPP.

Oh and I have been reading NMA for about 4 years, not just a few months : ).

 

[Zeld]

The thing about classifying it as a spinoff - for everyone, the important things about FO are different.Since for me those important things were not TB and ISO (and PnP roots), I will not have a problem saying its a true sequel (supposing its as good as we hope..)

Im sure that most fans agree that TB and ISO didn't make Fallout Fallout. It was the world and overall atmosphere, dialog and consequences of what you did. And yes, we have not played it yet, but those things are something that Beth generally sucks with.