CanardPC's almost-review

Ausir said:
It would make more sense for armor to have skill penalties rather than for clothes to have bonuses.
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Great. SPECIAL sucks now since it's more like DnD than anything else. Another good system bites the dust.

IT IS THE GREATEST SHOOTER OH GOD BIOSHOCK MAKES ME SO HAPPY
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Duke Nukem is the greatest. Everything else is hand-holding, emotional porn.
 
I read the review once, and it seemed alright, then I read the comments (yes, all 8 pages.. ack!) and then went back and re-read it. While reading through the comments I became a little suspicious that, perhaps, someone from another gaming company could have possibly paid them to write this?

Eh, let's just say I'm not really trusting of any gaming media these days. When you see them interviewing the developers they usually seem like the type of person that is just doing their job and would really rather be out partying or something, and not playing games at all.

Anyway. The endless dungeon crawl to the end. That sounds a bit far fetched to me.
the main quest will get you through an Hellgate London-ish nightmare in which you had to pass through kilometers of underground for hours and hours.
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I mean.. what? Surely Bethesda isn't going to make us do one huge dungeon crawl ALA Oblivion gates again.

Also, the "no random encounters" bit. Maybe his character had low luck? You didn't encounter anything like that in the original fallouts with a low luck score. I'm also going to assume dogmeat is either always there for the "almost finished" version, or something.. they did say you would always meet dogmeat in seemingly different places. Is Beth so eager to lie again?

Karma systems are always pretty stupid. I can live with that. It was stupid in Fallout 1, Fallout 2, and now again in Fallout 3. It's too bad they didn't switch to a reputation system. Of course, only in Fable did I feel the need to commit evil acts even though I was, aside from sacrificing villagers to skorm for that leet bow, a goody goody. Hopefully there won't be some uberweapon in Fallout 3 only available for evil characters.

If this game is truly as bad as people make it out to be, then I'm going to be quickly reselling it on eBay.

I'd like to see someone review it that liked Oblivion at first, and then realized its faults, and knew exactly how to play Oblivion to tweak their character. See, I feel like someone who'd have the patience to play a game like Oblivion and enjoy the parts that ARE good in it (like the early Dark Brotherhood quests) could give Fallout 3 a fair and objective review. I don't really consider a FO1 + 2 fan who's most likely despised both Tactics and FO:BOS, and probably one of those who played Oblivion and was like, "lulz this is stupid imma dance on tables hahahha they dun even react. This game is shi*!!!" to be someone who could write a completely honest and non-biased review. :P

Oblivion did have its stupid points, but if you do your best to work around the 60% stupid then you'll find the 40% to be worth playing through it for. I'd like to know if Fallout 3 has the same amount of stupid vs good. If it does then it's going on my future $20 bargain bin title list..

Too bad people either want to claim it as the best thing ever (without saying why) or want nothing more than to wipe their hairy arse with it.
 
PaladinHeart said:
the main quest will get you through an Hellgate London-ish nightmare in which you had to pass through kilometers of underground for hours and hours.
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I mean.. what? Surely Bethesda isn't going to make us do one huge dungeon crawl ALA Oblivion gates again.
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no that's pretty accurate from what I saw watching one of the live streams. not only was it painfully long but it was made out of repetitive prefab segments just like oblivion dungeons are. after a while the people in the chat room actually started calling out which monsters were coming up next because the monsters were positioned in the same place in every prefab section.

the "random encounters" from what I saw seemed to consist of radscorpions and mudcrabs and such magically appearing around you while you walked.
 
PaladinHeart said:
I became a little suspicious that, perhaps, someone from another gaming company could have possibly paid them to write this?
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Hehe. No. CanardPC is no big time paper and they are generally pissed by the gaming industry. These guys are full of vitriol that's all.

Also, the "no random encounters" bit. Maybe his character had low luck?
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He had 5 luck. He did not mean that there's no random encounters, just that he didn't see one. Either his character did not trigger any, or they are so unremarkable that he did not notice.

I'd like to see someone review it that liked Oblivion at first, and then realized its faults, and knew exactly how to play Oblivion to tweak their character.
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CanardPC rated Oblivion 9/10, and used it as *the* RPG of reference for months. Now they bash it like just anyone else :?
 
Seboss said:
CanardPC rated Oblivion 9/10, and used it as *the* RPG of reference for months. Now they bash it like just anyone else :?
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It's possible that most of the high reviews for Oblivion were made by people who only played the game for about an hour or two. You can't really see the flaws until you're above level 10.

If Fallout 3 has the same issues then it's easy to see why it could get lower scores than Oblivion. The main quest seems more obscure and a lot less urgent than the one in Oblivion.

Still. I'm hopeful this review copy that got leaked is.. well.. quite a bit behind the final release.

It's sounding a lot like Stalker. >.<
 
As I was working all night yesterday I saw this thread just now.

I have only read the OP, and not the comments yet (but I will).

I just have to say that that was an awesome read. Finally some honest words and some thorough deductions!

(Depressing, sure, but that was expected - no surprises in the article, but good to finally see it in print!)

Thanks for this news post.
 
What a great interview.....there still are some people who can say what's on their mind..... Bethesda must have forgotten to bribe them....
 
Billionfold said:
MrBumble said:
Stop playing dumb, you know what he meant by "direct sequel".


Just in case though : It meant "not spin-off"...
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Obviously, sorry you couldn't see through it.

Fallout 3 will be > than Fallout 1 and 2.

The same way GTAIV was better than III, Vice City, and SA.
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That makes no sense, gta4 built upon the same gameplay design as the other aforementioned games.

I also find it funny that you are criticizing this community for having their minds made up, yet it seems you already have your mind made up, albeit out of wilful fanboy ignorance.
 
Big, hearty thanks go to MrBumble for giving us something that is a refreshing change from the "OMG-I-drool-over-pinups-of-Fallout-3" schlock that masquerades as fine and upstanding previews. I wonder how hard Beth's PR group is grinding their teeth at the moment.

But yes, as has been previously been mentioned in other's posts, I'll be looking forward to the *real* review from you guys here. USA gets it a good... what, 2-3 days before us Aussies do? I'll be firing up the machine solely to see what's on the front page.

Err, not that you guys are bad company on the forums or anything :P
 
Hello, long time member and small time poster.

Until about a week ago I've been fairly optimistic about F3 despite the fact that it will differ significantly from the originals (some would call me naive). However the past week's events have changed my mind, and yesterday I canceled my pre-order. I recently started a new game of Fallout 1 (after more than eight years of absence), and that refreshed my memory of how great this game is, and also helped my in my decision to cancel my pre-order.

The leaked videos combined with already confirmed facts about the game made me realise that this is never going to be a true Fallout 3, but rather a Falloutish FPSRPG. That doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, and the game might be a great game, but I don't want to throw money after something that I'm not quite sure of. I shall await the final judgement by the reviewers (with a grain of salt) and the gamers, and then make my decision based on their impressions.

I feel sad because I really want to read a new chapter in the Fallout book, but at the same time I'm happy that I still find value in two ten year old chapters.

/aakjer
 
Szeder said:
What a great interview.....there still are some people who can say what's on their mind..... Bethesda must have forgotten to bribe them....
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These "LOL Bethesda bribes reviewers" posts are illogical. I doubt Bethesda would try it for fear of the law's bitchslap. And seriously, who bribes game reviewers? This guy merely has a negative opinion. The guys at OXM have a positive opinion. The French guy is only pissed at the game, not a lack of money.
 
Gentlemen said:
These "LOL Bethesda bribes reviewers" posts are illogical. I doubt Bethesda would try it for fear of the law's bitchslap. And seriously, who bribes game reviewers? This guy merely has a negative opinion. The guys at OXM have a positive opinion. The French guy is only pissed at the game, not a lack of money.
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You cannot be serious. Of course Beth does not literally "bribe" them. Bribing nowadays takes place in a much more elusive manner. Pc journalists and magazines have close connections to the software development company itself. There were a lot of cases when journalist were fired, because of poor reviews.

If a company is that big as Bethsoft and spends that much money on PR and ads, then it will have such an invfluence on PC magazines that journalist are not allowed to write just anything...

Beths is a mammoth company just like any other and its influence and connections are the reason why there are only "zomfg this game is huge" reviews in the States.

aakjer said:
However the past week's events have changed my mind, and yesterday I canceled my pre-order.
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I hope when you canceled the order you had to fill out a form an tell them why...... I salute your commitment btw!
 
So i read those OP tidbits of the review and i really start feeling like i should watch more of the leaked gameplay.
Ive only seen part of the starting vault and some megaton videos which really didnt give me THAT bad taste in my mouth as from this preview, though they really didnt impress me that much either.
I havent watched more becouse of spoilers. Some of you that have seen more of those videos would you say how accurately those areas represent the whole game. I must say this piece really have raised my conserns.
 
You can watch portions of the videos without viewing any real spoilers.

I would highly suggest viewing them, as you'll get a good feel for the more negative aspects of the gameplay and characters.
 
Gentlemen said:
And seriously, who bribes game reviewers?
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I donno, companies who rent luxurious hotel rooms for journalists to play a game in, send journalists on trips (World Series, Super Bowl, other sporting events, Hawaii, Jet Fighter School, etc) or give them gifts (hookers, free dinner at five star restaurants, TVs, games, press kits, etc). It's common practice and it's unethical.
 
They do the same thing with most every industry when they premier something new.

When a car company is having a big new Car design premier they do the same thing.

The movie industry is far worse.

Sports teams do it all the time to the media

Politicians as well.


Its nothing new, its up to the journalists to not get sucked in. Some do, some don't, and some get PO'd at feeling like they are being bought off.
 
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