Climate Change is not real!

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Crni Vuk, Jul 26, 2019.

  1. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Greek.

    But that is beside the point. the time of Santa Claus with a penis is over, now the age for Xanta Cloas has arrived! Gender Neutrality for everybody! Ho Ho Ho Pwah Pwah Pwah!
    Ho Ho Ho has been replaced by the non offensive Pwah do to the problematic nature found in the original phrase.
     
  2. GonZo_626

    GonZo_626 Well Shit!

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    Jul 29, 2016
    Man I never knew Europeans were so against free movement and immigration, just face it he ditched you for a new cool continent and persona.
     
  3. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
     
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  4. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Pool's Closed

    Oct 26, 2016
    Delete that shit.
     
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  5. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009


    A state of emergency has been declared in Australia. It's not just the large insects, crocks and sharks pestering folks down under.

    The prime minister of Ozzieland is in deep ish now because he took a Hawaii-vacation in the middle of the national state of catastrophy.


    Duude....you fucked up. Resign. Also a climate change sceptic.

    https://www.theguardian.com/austral...iday-extra-plumbing-contract-friday-afternoon

    Crikey!

     
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  6. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
  7. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    I see Serifan is all quiet about all this all of a sudden.

    Biggest mass evacuation in Victoria's history is happening.



    Victoria. I guess Serifan doesn't live there so everything is cool. :-?



    Every Ozzie state has now hit 40 deg C. That's it brew, game over bro, game over! Nuke it from orbit.

     
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  8. Lexx

    Lexx Background Radiant
    Moderator Modder

    Apr 24, 2005
    After the cleansing of australia is completed, it's surviving animal inhabitants will be even more deadly, I'm sure. Only the toughest motherfuckers will get through this.
     
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  9. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
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  10. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010

    Interesting take on the bushfires and the cause of the current severity of them.
     
  11. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    If by "managing forests" you mean logging and razing much of the said forest then yes, I suppose you can prevent some fires that way. The forest won't be a natural forest after that. Will a natural forest sometimes have fires? Yes. Does climate change make those fires more frequent and destructive? This is up to everyone to decide for themselves, but IMHO yes.

    It's difficult to explain the value of natural forests to anyone who doesn't value nature or the biological world at all so I won't even try to do that.
     
  12. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    The point there was not logging and razing, but apparently doing what the Aborigines did for millenia, controlled burning of underwood to prevent extreme bushfires, called backburning. It's all a mess, though, because for example the guy in the video claims that the Greens prevent backburning, but the aussie Greens themselves say they support backburning.
     
  13. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Yeah but there are clear measures that tell us Australia is experiencing also a draught which they haven't seen for a long time which also started much sooner than usual. And this is exactly what climate scientists have told could happen and that it will become a lot more frequent like how a storm that would have been maybe a category 3 becomes a 4 or even 5 and where once super-storms and massive fires have been a rarity might become the "norm". In other words a bad situation will get worse. We can see whole eco systems, like the great barrier riff in Australia, starting to collapse. This is after all just the beginning and it will get worse and worse with each passing year.

    When records are broken time and time again with an increasing frequency it's nature telling us that something is going really wrong here.

     
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  14. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    It's called The Smokey Bear effect in the US. They've spent such a long time preventing smaller forest fires that the underbrush grew to thick, so when a fire finally did break out it had too much fuel to burn and made putting them out almost impossible. As for The Greens, I recall hearing something similar happening in Canada back when Alberta was burning. Treehugger types protesting controlled burns to prevent such a thing from happening, so when the fire a did break out, half the province was ash.
     
  15. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    We haven't really had controlled burns in my country since the 60's. Aussie forests are more prone to bush fires, I'd imagine. Sweden had some pretty bad forest fires last summer, some Finnish firemen went there. Those things can happen. Maybe some areas should have less folks living in them, just basically. I mean, if your area has earthquakes, hurricanes, and maybe bush fires, maybe time to move to a safer area?

    Trump talked about "raking the forests like the do in Finland", that's crap, the guy is a dumbass mongoloid. You can have stuff like irrigation ditches etc. to dry out swampy areas, logging roads, jogging/hunting/skiing/whatever paths, some fire break cuttings of wood, cut out areas for power lines so that trees don't fall on power lines especially during winter with heavy snow loads on the branches or after storms, etc. But I don't know if any of that would work in Australia because what I think is burning there is the dry leaves/branches/etc. that's on the ground and when the fire gets going the embers fly a long distance and start new fires, it's a different type forest there.



    New South Wales now an emergency zone. Pretty soon Serifan, Kilus and the other NMA Aussies will have to slow motion run out of Oz. Or slow motion row.

    This is not them.

     
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  16. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    So basically, removing the dry leaves from the forest would help? Like... Raking the forests?
    Basically, that's what people are taking about. Fuel reduction, removing the dry undergrowth and doing controlled burns to create gaps large enough to limit a fire.
     
  17. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Regardless if you agree with the greens, the controlled burns do cause pollution. And they can also get out of control and cause bigger fires. And they are ultimately a 'stop gap measure', they might help a little but not necessarily that much. Either you remove the forest entirely or keep doing the controlled burns ad infinitum, and those might not even work. So, yea. No easy fix really.

    If they are national parks they shouldn't even do the controlled burns.

    The eucalyptus trees they have in Australia light up easily and burn hard, different from pine and spruce etc.
     
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  18. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Jun 14, 2014
    The problem is that the conditions here in Australia are such that the dryness of the bush is increasing over the year, which prevents controlled burning.

    Since the dry period (even winters are getting too dry lately) is getting longer with time, there is a very small period of time in a year where controlled burning can be done, and that period has been shrinking over time.

    You can't really control burning when everything is too dry. That is the biggest problem here.

    Australia is just too dry most of the year round now. Firefighters still conduct controlled burning whenever the conditions are favorable, but there has been severe droughts and some areas of the country haven't seen enough rain for almost a decade or more now.
     
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  19. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I wouldn't be surprised if large parts of Australia will become uninhabitable in the near future. This is also one of the issues climate scientists talk about. Certain areas in the world will see periods where the temperature could rise as far like 50 degrees. That's simply to hot for the human body to regulate them self and without any kind of air-conditioning available all you can do is move into areas where the temperatures are lower. It becomes more and more obvious at this point that we have to think about resettlement programs for millions of people which will be forced to move out of their areas in the next decades. Something we would actually have to start planning and executing now if we want to avoid some serious humanitarian crisis in the near future.
     
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