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Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Crni Vuk, Jul 26, 2019.
I'm pretty confident that the word you were supposed to have written there is "uninhabitable".
Right thx. My mistake. I corrected it.
Crni Vuk posts never fail to lighten up my day.
Haha, they've been playing the same blame-game even back in 2009.
Seeing how clean forests 100 years ago were is weird.
Yeah, and it's weird because no party/politician around here ever wants to appease or be associated with the Greens. In fact the Greens have such a bad fabricated reputation that some people call them terrorists.
Even the opposition that is more left leaning and worries about climate change is always making sure they are not associated with the Greens, they even said they wouldn't make a coalition with the Greens to get in power.
In the mean time however :
A change of weather on Sunday brought some respite for fire-ravaged southeastern Australia after a day of blazes that killed two people and injured four firefighters, although authorities warned the worst is yet to come.
A southerly change that came through on Saturday night brought cooler temperatures, after they topped 40C (104F) in many areas, and there was even the prospect of some light rain in coastal areas in the coming days.
But high temperatures and strong winds earlier on Saturday fuelled fires burning on “an entirely new level” along Australia’s east coast.
Prime minister Scott Morrison is facing criticism for his handling of the disaster, with one firefighter telling 7NEWS Sydney: “Go tell the prime minister to get f*****.”
I'm loving these high temperatures. It has hardly frozen over here so far this fall/winter, and you only have to put on the heat late in the evening, which I'm sure everyone agrees is good for the environment.
This is already the case, smart human friend. You should study Australia for a minute or two and see where 99% of the people there live. They live there because the rest of the place is actually pretty darn uninhabitable.
Do you mean there will be places where there will be days when it's -10°C in winter and days of +40°C during Summer? 'Cause that's nothing new, mate, and people have managed just fine. Harsh winters and exquisite summers have always existed, way before people thought airconditioning (which is so fucking bad for the environment, by the way) was a good idea.
No, no, no, what's becoming more and more obvious at this point is that 8 billion people is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much. And if there is anything we do need it is a serious humanitarian crisis. We need less people so there are less cars and less aircos and less smartphones and less cheap shoes and less cheap clothes and less pointless plastic garbage and less of everything, and since no one on this planet seems to have the intelligence and guts to do something radical about that problem, like a worldwide 1-child policy for a full century (oh, the inhumanity of the idea!) the planet will do it for us.
Climate change is not real from Earth's perspective. This planet has been a molten ball in the past, fuck it, its core is still molten. There is proof that there were extended periods of time in the past (before humans were here but also when they already were, like during the Middle Ages) when the climate was even more extreme than it is today. Again: this ball is 4,5 billion years old, it has seen it all. But then you suddenly get a species that doesn't know how to behave, that doesn't know how to plan forward, that doesn't know how to accept certain limitations, that doesn't know how to do anything right except fucking and farting around, and when they get close to 8 billion (8 fucking billion, just fucking try to imagine how many you's that is) they FINALLY start to get it: we fucked up. BUT (and this is the best part of the joke) this still doesn't alter their behaviour one bit. One bit. Because they don't like the answer, which is simple as fuck: STOP FUCKING AND FARTING AROUND.
You don't solve climate change by (and I'm using very simple language because it boils down to this) throwing away all your old cars and replacing them with new ones. You don't solve climate change by throwing away all your old lamp bulbs and replacing them with new ones. You don't solve climate change by throwing away all your old cellphones and replacing them with new ones. And that's all we've been doing so far. Saving the economy instead of our fucking species.
We need a humongous disaster. We need hundreds of millions of us to die as soon as possible, preferably in the rich developed world (although by now it doesn't really matter where anymore, seeing there's cars and phones and aircos and plastic crap everywhere). We need the worst of the worst to happen so that the rest can learn the most valuable lesson there is to learn: stop fucking and farting around.
Don't forget other life forms aside from humans. The ecological damage is out of proportions after all.
Oh yeah, I totally forgot about rats and cockroaches. We don't want those to go extinct any time soon.
I know what we can do! We can just shoot the thirsty animals from helicopters to save them and to stop making the place uninhabitable!
I swear: I fucking hate this species. If I had the power to decimate humanity, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I can't, I can't ...
Most of the lifeforms in Australia need to be cleansed by fire, anyway.
And I am talking about the places that ARE still habitable.
If temperatures consistently reach over 50° those areas become to dangerous for humans to stay because at this temperatures certain proteins in your body start to fall apart. Temperatures which could also be reached in some parts of Europe, like Spain, Italy and Greece. It is believed that places like Australia will also see a much higher change in temperature. If the average temperature climbs to 2° here, it could be 3 maybe even 4° in Australia. But that's just guessing for the most part. But it is a possibility. Anyway. What they do agree upon within the science is that a lot of people will be one way or another forced to leave their areas.
Yeah ... about that. But how exactly do you think that this will play out? The thing is that people are not the kind of creature that sits iddle as they well ... die. Or are close to death. And if the last refugee and migrant crisis has shown one thing. We are much vulnerable than we think. Politically and socially. And I do not mean right now in the sense that we have to help them all. I am talking about the stability of our societies. This will have severe effects on you as well one way or another. Even a mild winter as you put it can be an issue if the energy demands our society has are not meet. We do have very sophisticated societies but to function properly certain conditions have to be meet. A steady supply of energy is one. A working infrastructure another. A lot of things are working here in the background that we simply take for granted. But when you look at it in detail they can be pretty easily disrupted. But I doubt that I am telling you anything new here.
Things have the potential to become really ugly in the future. For all of us.
Actually no we don't because insects are pretty much the foundation of any eco system serving not only as the sustenance for a lot of animals but also because insects help in decomposing with a large number of biomass.
I know and cheer the fact that you're a very cynical person. I understand it. And I do really share your sentient in many situation. But preservation of the environment is first and foremost self preservation. What you want to make sure, if you really value your way of life, that you make sure that you can actually maintain some of it. Like a stabile source for food. But this is only possible in a somewhat functional eco system with stabile weather and temperatures good enough to allow for agriculture. There is only so much stress an eco system can take however before it starts to collapse. And when that happens there is nothing you can do but simply deal with the consequences.
I do not how you think about this. But I would rather not want to take the risk of being polluted or starving or experiencing any of it. There can be very selfish reasons to care that the environment is at least protected on the bare minimum of what is required to continue your life.
Yeah it's simply staggering when you think about some numbers. The minimum are 500 Million animals. Some sources though claim that it could be up to 1 Billion animals. This is insane.
I think the coming months will reveal the true damage of this. Right now what most people can do is just react. But one the actual assessment of the damage starts we will truly see the scope of this. Not just to the eco system but also the people.
Well fucking said brother. STOP FUCKING. If you live in a dirt poor nation, already got 3 kids, STOP FUCKING or PULL OUT.
Less people means less consumption, it is natural.
Who do you think consumes the most in this world?
But more ppl need more cheap power. Which nations got most ppl again? Same ppl who also use cell phoes? But yea, it is the wests fault.
Luckily a lot of those people live in areas where you well have at least a lot of sunlight. Our target should be to give them easy access to clean power. And regions that have close to no infrastructure should from the beginning invest not in one that's solely build on fossil fuels. Not just because of climate change but also because it's lowering the potential for conflicts.
Stop it white people, please. we got to save the earth, it is dying and on fire and really angry. Eat the bugs, don't drive cars. WHITE PEOPLE PLEASE STOP! STOP DRIVING CARS! STOP IT! WHY WON'T YOU STOP? DO YOU HATE THE EARTH? WHITE PEOPLE NO, PUT DOWN THE CELLPHONE NOOOOOO!
Those governments need to do what the chinese did. 1 child policy. If your poor, limit yourself to 1 maybe 2 kids at most.
There is no such thing as completely consequence free energy. Wind and water still effects nature and doesn't provide enough. Hence, we need to stop IMPREGNATING our females.
It's all America's fault! All the "ppl" there! They suck! I guess we can throw in Brazil and Mexico too! It's all their "ppl" fault!!
On a serious note, yeah we do need to do something about the population and it's would have to be strict. Less people in general would help a lot of things. There's no reason for us to be this populated. Allowing every family no more than two would even be a good thing in some way. It would be slower but at that rate (some people still won't have kids and whatnot) the most someone could legally do is replace themselves. One would be better. Just every person, you get one. That's it.
I don't even agree with it in most cases but hell, it would help.
No-perfect-solution fallacy? Another advantage we have here is that those areas do not have the same kind of energy demand as we do. We are talking about rather rural and undeveloped areas anyway. I have read somewhere that the main energy source in most African communities for example is still a stove. Most of them run on wood. What we have to look for are low tech ideas to solve those issues. We do not always need extremely sophisticated technologies to solve issues here. In fact they can often be counterproductive because people lack the education to actually operate said technologies.
There won't be just one solution for all issues though. But that still shouldn't stop us from trying. Because what ever if we try it or not we will have to deal with the consequences.
Something that's actually a lot more effective in "birth control" is to educate women and stabile income.
People get a lot of children because the child mortality is quite high and families require them as additional income. Not to mention that very few women are actually educated enough to know about the risks of pregnancies, or even know about contraception. Highly educated women tend to get a lot fewer children.
I think this would be a lot more effective in lowering the number of people. And it has many other positive benefits too. Stabile economies mean less migration due to economic reasons, less conflicts, less refugees, more use and knowledge about renewable energies and so on.