The population situation controlled itself much better before foreign aid and improved medical care. Infant mortality is the great equalizer.
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citation needed. We have actual examples of this :
High child mortality leads to more children being born as paradoxical as it sounds and actually educating people and lowering child mortality leads to less children being born. Believe it or not. But this is what has been observed over the decades. Not just in developed countries. High child mortality is not some kind of "equalizer" here.
There are many many benefits to giving people easier access to medication and education. But most importantly it gives people a chance to fix their own issues and finding solutions to their own problems.
That's because usually the drop in mortality comes with and from increased education and economic growth. In Africa, only one aspect was induced. Development of Africa was botched by just giving humanitarian aid without making sure that society grows with it. Kids stopped dying, but people didn't stop fucking or developing as a society.
It's basically made impossible by the world markets being basically closed to Africa, so they can't really begin to develop properly.
It's basically made impossible by the world markets being basically closed to Africa, so they can't really begin to develop properly.
I think the video above explained it rather pretty well.
What always baffles me though is just ... we can develop marvelous technologies which allow us to send people to the moon and particularly developed nations invest billions to their military giving us the capability to strike anywhere at any time deploying troops where they are needed and if we wanted we could destroy several countries with ease, at least for the US, but we just can't seem to find a way to actually improve the infrastructure an conditions for others.
I guess there is simply not enough profit to be made here from uplifting people.
As someone else said. They could throw billions at Afghanistan to fight the Soviets in the 80s. But they could find anyone to actually finance the rebuilding of their schools which have been left in ruins from the war.
What always baffles me though is just ... we can develop marvelous technologies which allow us to send people to the moon and particularly developed nations invest billions to their military giving us the capability to strike anywhere at any time deploying troops where they are needed and if we wanted we could destroy several countries with ease, at least for the US, but we just can't seem to find a way to actually improve the infrastructure an conditions for others.
I guess there is simply not enough profit to be made here from uplifting people.
As someone else said. They could throw billions at Afghanistan to fight the Soviets in the 80s. But they could find anyone to actually finance the rebuilding of their schools which have been left in ruins from the war.
That video says exactly what I'm saying. Societal development slows down birth rates. Increased medical care decreases infant mortality and allows for higher population growth. In the developed world, medical care came with societal development. Thus, the increased survivability balanced out, and a slower population growth and finally population decrease is achieved.
Now, what happened in Africa? It got the medical care, but little of the societal development. Thus, population growth doesn't balance out as much as it did in the developed world, instead you get people having the same high birth rates but with decreased mortality. Thus, explosive population growth.
Indeed, "uplifting people" doesn't make enough profit early on. It would mean opening the western markets to african products, thus creating more competition and so on. That would help Africa much more than just dumping food and medical aid, as it would stimulate an economical growth that would finally balance out the population growth by nature. But we're so set in our ways of "feeding the hungry kids in Africa" that we forget to teach them how to feed themselves and allowing them to do it.
It would basically cost us nothing to help Africa properly, but somehow it isn't done.
Open the markets to Africa, and not just sell them cheap european chicken meat. Let Africa export. Maybe before the Chinese buy half the continent and give even less of a shit about the natives.
Now, what happened in Africa? It got the medical care, but little of the societal development. Thus, population growth doesn't balance out as much as it did in the developed world, instead you get people having the same high birth rates but with decreased mortality. Thus, explosive population growth.
Indeed, "uplifting people" doesn't make enough profit early on. It would mean opening the western markets to african products, thus creating more competition and so on. That would help Africa much more than just dumping food and medical aid, as it would stimulate an economical growth that would finally balance out the population growth by nature. But we're so set in our ways of "feeding the hungry kids in Africa" that we forget to teach them how to feed themselves and allowing them to do it.
It would basically cost us nothing to help Africa properly, but somehow it isn't done.
Open the markets to Africa, and not just sell them cheap european chicken meat. Let Africa export. Maybe before the Chinese buy half the continent and give even less of a shit about the natives.
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The U.S. population is actually that high because of immigration. We are actually doing a service by taking in so many people from other countries.
Everyone nowadays has a cell phone and access to the internet. The education is already there, people just need to give a shit and want to learn.
I read a few days ago that a woman in Nepal died because she asphyxiated herself in a little shack. Apparently, she was menstruating and the backward ass people there have a taboo about unclean women being in the house. She had to go into the tiny PMS shed outside. The shed was small and the fire she used to warm herself killed her via smoke inhalation. I mean, these people had the internet. They just cling to their backwardness lile a badge of honor. Sure we can force our western rules of decency but then we are infringing upon their culture.
So yea, it isn't like they do not have the education, they are just too damn stubborn and set in their ways.
The U.S. population is actually that high because of immigration. We are actually doing a service by taking in so many people from other countries.
Everyone nowadays has a cell phone and access to the internet. The education is already there, people just need to give a shit and want to learn.
I read a few days ago that a woman in Nepal died because she asphyxiated herself in a little shack. Apparently, she was menstruating and the backward ass people there have a taboo about unclean women being in the house. She had to go into the tiny PMS shed outside. The shed was small and the fire she used to warm herself killed her via smoke inhalation. I mean, these people had the internet. They just cling to their backwardness lile a badge of honor. Sure we can force our western rules of decency but then we are infringing upon their culture.
So yea, it isn't like they do not have the education, they are just too damn stubborn and set in their ways.
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Let's just hold on to that coltan a little while longer.
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Crni
Really, I expected better from you.
Haven't we already established education as the key ingredient to population control?
Plus, what does your post have to do with my point?
These people HAVE access to education. They CHOOSE to be backward as fuck. They are proud of it. Gender equality is the norm for how long now and many other countries in the world are still archaic as fuck. You simply cannot blame it on lack of education. What you can blame it on is religion. Culture is the guilty party here.
Your redneck example is such a minor few in the states. In other parts of the world however, a male dominated system, where females are second class citizens, is the societal norm, for the WHOLE FUCKING COUNTRY.
Killing homosexuals is generally accepted and is seen as a good thing.
Religion dominates daily life and people are expected to obey or they are actually hunted down by the GOD POLICE.
You seriously compare the west to the above?
And before you say we were like that too, I say we didn't have the info we do now. We also CHANGED our ways and adapted to modern times.
Really, I expected better from you.
Haven't we already established education as the key ingredient to population control?
Plus, what does your post have to do with my point?
These people HAVE access to education. They CHOOSE to be backward as fuck. They are proud of it. Gender equality is the norm for how long now and many other countries in the world are still archaic as fuck. You simply cannot blame it on lack of education. What you can blame it on is religion. Culture is the guilty party here.
Your redneck example is such a minor few in the states. In other parts of the world however, a male dominated system, where females are second class citizens, is the societal norm, for the WHOLE FUCKING COUNTRY.
Killing homosexuals is generally accepted and is seen as a good thing.
Religion dominates daily life and people are expected to obey or they are actually hunted down by the GOD POLICE.
You seriously compare the west to the above?
And before you say we were like that too, I say we didn't have the info we do now. We also CHANGED our ways and adapted to modern times.
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Geez. Don't take it so serious.
Deep down we are all the "same" kind of animal. That's at least what I believe. I do think that the majority of people are rather good natured and lean more on the altruistic side than actively seeking conflict. But honestly? I do not believe that it would take us much, be it Germany, Europe or the US to push us back to those old ways you talk about. At the end of the day our lizard brain would take over and then it's party time. Normal people, ordinary people with a moral compass and decent education can be made to do atrocious things against their own better judgement. You can get them to pull a trigger, to torture others and become prison guards in concentration camps committing unspeakable horrors. Look at the Milgram Experiment from the 1960s to know where I am coming from. Killing, raping, pillaging, torturing you name it. We've done those things for the last 10.000 years or so. They are not washed away in just one generation. Lynching in the United States for example happening up to the 1960s if I remember correctly. Killing of minorities happens even to this day even if it's not systemic and/or looked over by the authorities. We have improved a lot like you said. But only because we made more guidelines and more rules and actually protect more people these days. Not because suddenly change the nature of man or what ever.
We made more rules. We have more moral and ethical guidelines. But that's it. We still have the exact same brain functions as we did 50 or 5000 years ago when you think about it. That's my point.
Deep down we are all the "same" kind of animal. That's at least what I believe. I do think that the majority of people are rather good natured and lean more on the altruistic side than actively seeking conflict. But honestly? I do not believe that it would take us much, be it Germany, Europe or the US to push us back to those old ways you talk about. At the end of the day our lizard brain would take over and then it's party time. Normal people, ordinary people with a moral compass and decent education can be made to do atrocious things against their own better judgement. You can get them to pull a trigger, to torture others and become prison guards in concentration camps committing unspeakable horrors. Look at the Milgram Experiment from the 1960s to know where I am coming from. Killing, raping, pillaging, torturing you name it. We've done those things for the last 10.000 years or so. They are not washed away in just one generation. Lynching in the United States for example happening up to the 1960s if I remember correctly. Killing of minorities happens even to this day even if it's not systemic and/or looked over by the authorities. We have improved a lot like you said. But only because we made more guidelines and more rules and actually protect more people these days. Not because suddenly change the nature of man or what ever.
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So according to Professor Volker Quaschning, a highly intellectual genius that Crni often cites when it comes to proving that 100% regenerative is possible, just announced that since the bushfires in Australia are caused by climate change and 500 million animals died and Germany produced 2% of CO2, Germany has killed 10 million animals in Australia.
#scientists4future
Just waiting for this retard to announce that "It was satire/to start a discussion" dance of "I was only pretending to be retarded".
Can some PLEASE nuke the fuck out of Berlin already? The amount of hot air we'd save would negate climate change immediately.
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Crni
Your post, as usual, still does not and cannot refute the fact that these people HAVE education. They simply ignored this education because it wasn't convenient for them.
Since the treatment of females is an intrinsic part of the over population crisis, this means these backward ass people are just as, if not, more guilty than the west, for ruining the planet. This also happened to be the whole point of my argument.
Your post, as usual, still does not and cannot refute the fact that these people HAVE education. They simply ignored this education because it wasn't convenient for them.
Since the treatment of females is an intrinsic part of the over population crisis, this means these backward ass people are just as, if not, more guilty than the west, for ruining the planet. This also happened to be the whole point of my argument.
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Heh.
Education --> Lower birth rates --> Population growth slows down (but it does not stop)
Educated population --> Poverty eradication --> Economic growth --> Increased consumption
Population growth + economic growth = pressure to the system
I'd agree with this stupid old farce of an idea ('educate and empower da women and all will be well'), if economic growth wasn't the key player in the world. You can't have (sufficient) economic growth if population growth slows down, comes to a halt or even becomes negative. Economic growth is the real reason why Europe has an immigration crisis. It's just not a crisis, is it? It's a short-term solution to have more economic growth: Wir schaffen das, and we'll let future generations figure out how to deal with the import of a dangerous religion and a bunch of retarded morals (like treating women as second-class citizens and not educating/empowering them).
The only thing that seems to work somewhat when it comes down to slowing down population growth is the 9-to-5 drag of Western life. I'm not kidding. And that has nothing to do with being educated, but with greed. These second and third generation muslims over here have figured out that if you work your ass off, you get a little money and with that bit of money, you can buy plastic and electronic crap. And if you take a second job in the weekend or tell your wife to work as well and turn your bodies into tools, you can buy a big, fancy car and maybe a small house and so on. And they notice that if you work so much, it's a pain in the ass to have 6 kids to feed and entertain once they drag their tired arses home. Greed. Typically.
But it's not enough. We need something like an enlightened Hitler who enforces a worldwide 1-child-policy with severe sanctions for whoever doesn't listen. (You made two kids? Okay, but then another family member gets euthanized.) You can neuter people at a very young age, chemically or surgically. I know this sounds extreme and maybe even crazy, but every year Earth Overshoot Day is earlier than the year before and that's not gonna stop if we just "educate" everyone. "Hi Jack! You consume too much!" "I know, Mary, but so do you! Toodles!" Nah, man, that's not gonna work.
Education --> Lower birth rates --> Population growth slows down (but it does not stop)
Educated population --> Poverty eradication --> Economic growth --> Increased consumption
Population growth + economic growth = pressure to the system
I'd agree with this stupid old farce of an idea ('educate and empower da women and all will be well'), if economic growth wasn't the key player in the world. You can't have (sufficient) economic growth if population growth slows down, comes to a halt or even becomes negative. Economic growth is the real reason why Europe has an immigration crisis. It's just not a crisis, is it? It's a short-term solution to have more economic growth: Wir schaffen das, and we'll let future generations figure out how to deal with the import of a dangerous religion and a bunch of retarded morals (like treating women as second-class citizens and not educating/empowering them).
The only thing that seems to work somewhat when it comes down to slowing down population growth is the 9-to-5 drag of Western life. I'm not kidding. And that has nothing to do with being educated, but with greed. These second and third generation muslims over here have figured out that if you work your ass off, you get a little money and with that bit of money, you can buy plastic and electronic crap. And if you take a second job in the weekend or tell your wife to work as well and turn your bodies into tools, you can buy a big, fancy car and maybe a small house and so on. And they notice that if you work so much, it's a pain in the ass to have 6 kids to feed and entertain once they drag their tired arses home. Greed. Typically.
But it's not enough. We need something like an enlightened Hitler who enforces a worldwide 1-child-policy with severe sanctions for whoever doesn't listen. (You made two kids? Okay, but then another family member gets euthanized.) You can neuter people at a very young age, chemically or surgically. I know this sounds extreme and maybe even crazy, but every year Earth Overshoot Day is earlier than the year before and that's not gonna stop if we just "educate" everyone. "Hi Jack! You consume too much!" "I know, Mary, but so do you! Toodles!" Nah, man, that's not gonna work.
That leaves us only with the nuclear option then.
Did you know that in the 1970s some greens actually thought about that idea? Nuclear weapons against overpopulation.
Did you know that in the 1970s some greens actually thought about that idea? Nuclear weapons against overpopulation.
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To be honest, if it wasn't for the devastating after effects of a nuclear explosion, I'd probably be inclined to agree that they'd be a great tool for controlling population. Of course, without said after effects, people might actually use nukes
Also, a gram of Uranium-235 is a little under 20 billion calories. It's also healthier to eat Uranium than breathe it.
Also, a gram of Uranium-235 is a little under 20 billion calories. It's also healthier to eat Uranium than breathe it.
I doubt that. U235 is an alpha emitter so not very pleasant to breathe in, but uranium is also a rather toxic heavy metal. Question is, does kidney failure kill quicker than radiation poisoning?
It's only 3.6 Roentgen anyway.
Not great, not terrible. Like a chest x-ray.
The other options are already happening, but everyone is whining about them and trying to postpone them by doing even more retarded things. Just let the planet get rid of the fleas in its fur. It's really good at doing this if you look at the fossil record.
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Defense personnel stood ready to move to bushfire grounds if conditions became extreme, Prime Minister Scott Morrison told reporters, as soaring temperatures and erratic winds create dangerous conditions.
"Even with rain in Melbourne, even with forecast better conditions next week, there is a long way to go in what has been an unprecedented fire event...and, of course, we know that we have many weeks of the fire season to run," Daniel Andrews, the premier of Victoria, told a televised briefing.