Destructoid wonders why Bethesda hasn't announced Fallout 4 yet

[newbiewanderer]

newbie- not helping. I don't know if you are used to entering old forums but basically this is what happens. There's a bunch of people who have been here a long while. They've seen a ton of stuff and really don't tolerate anyone new easily. For good or for ill. Strong point, tons of info and they know the subject deeply. Weak point, bit dogmatic and (understandably) dislike retreading old ground. So don't waste your time with the basics or mudslinging and try and come up with some new angles if you want to defend 3.

This is not about defending a game anymore-
Its about the people that call opinions wrong , and call everyone with a different opinion a "retard" or a moron.
I never called anyone that , i respect their opinion of disliking fallout 3 . Thats fine.
As long as they are willing to respect my opinion of liking it without insulting me .
I apologize for calling this a circle jerk however , that was rude .
But anyways its perfectly normal to have different opinions on stuff .
At least we all agree fallout 1 was a phenomenal game.

 

[TheNotoriousAMP]

.....Yeah remember how in Game of Thrones Ramsay says "if you're looking for a happy ending you've come to the wrong place"? This is kind of the same thing. You're really not going to make any headway on any of those goals. Best to avoid any further irritation, it'd be like trying to bang your head against a wall. Made of posts and irascibility.

 

[naossano]

Fo1-Fo2-FoT combat system aren't perfect (none is), but it has way more depth than Fo3/FoNV/FoBos.
BUT, it doesn't mean it suits for everyone's taste. But Fo3's combat system either.
Saying one is better than the other isn't going to lead anywhere.
But the thing is, current Fallout don't use the series combat system these days, which means the game became tedious to play for Fallout fans.
Sure, it isn't the only flaw of current Fo games, but it doesn't help to have to put up with an awfull system to keep playing the IP you had so much fun with, with, at every step the knowledge that the game could (and should) so much better.

 

[newbiewanderer]

Fo1-Fo2-FoT combat system aren't perfect (none is), but it has way more depth than Fo3/FoNV/FoBos.
BUT, it doesn't mean it suits for everyone's taste. But Fo3's combat system either.
Saying one is better than the other isn't going to lead anywhere.
But the thing is, current Fallout don't use the series combat system these days, which means the game became tedious to play for Fallout fans.
Sure, it isn't the only flaw of current Fo games, but it doesn't help to have to put up with an awfull system to keep playing the IP you had so much fun with, with, at every step the knowledge that the game could (and should) so much better.

They should make a kickstarter for a true fallout sequel like they did with torment.
I mean i liked fallout 3 but it was nothing like the original games.

 

[valcik]

As someone who runs a law office (which basically involves keeping 70 year old men from royally fucking up my filing systems), at times I'm not that thrilled to play games where parts of the content are locked out unless you go back and play the 20 or so hours of redundant content needed to get to the parts you missed.

I understand your point of view, yet I think that those peculiar quests designed for a specialised characters makes for top-notch RPG. That's what got me hooked to the first Fallout in fact! It was really nice and thrilling surprise for me, after restarting the game with different character, to find out that there are new dialogue options available, with new ways how to solve quests, or even some new locations I've missed before.

As for the time spent with game, there was not any digital distribution back in 1998, so I haven't had hundreds or thousands games on table. That's why those old-timers including me are used to get the maximum replay value from any game bought, I guess.

Meanwhile, to get anywhere in the strip means wasting a few minutes traveling through it. This is especially bad if you are siding with the NCR, since traveling to the embassy means wasting a few minutes each time. Same goes for McCarron, where getting to the terminal takes ages.

Exactly! Add some loading screens and here we have complete disaster. You can't visit your room in Lucky 38 without several map cells reloaded, it's rage inducing deal breaker for me. I was lumbering down the Freeside with loud cursing and teeth gnashing everytime, and that's why I can't force myself to more than one playthrough through that bethesdian consoletardeous crap.

 

[naossano]

It is not because some game has replay value that everyone replay them, or replay them in a different way.
On the other hand, a game with C&C aknowledge your agency and choice, and allow you to have an input on the world, the story.

Without those consequence, you can do anything you want, but the game would fail to register them and trap you under the status quo, like in Fo3.

 

[Hassknecht]

I'm not debating you, I'm telling you that your opinion is wrong and you should feel bad about having it.

Welcome to the internet kid

Personal taste is not WRONG or RIGHT.
Opinions are never wrong or right only different.
You are confusing things quite a lot.
The only thing than can be wrong or right is scientific evidence and facts.
And even then some things in science change.

It was a joke, as evidenced by the "Welcome to the internet kid".

 

[Walpknut]

"I don't want content being locked by how I play!!!! " Well, you got a very long list of FPS to play, have fun with those, no reason to change what makes a game a good rpg because you are not "thrilled" about something that is a staple of the genre.

pretty rich from the person whose entire post was just calling us a circle jerk and saying "That's like your opinion, man", and also using the expression "Logical Fallacy" and failing to understand what that is..

your position is pretty clearly a logical fallacy, a derivative of personal incredulity. You don't personally see how a person could could like Fallout 3, so that makes it objectively a bad game to you. Pretty clearly logically fallacious, not to mention something only a lowest common denominator person would do.

Oh I can see how people like Fall9out 3, that doesn't mean I have to think it's a good game, see criticizing something for it's flaws is not a logical fallacy, thinking that just because you like it others have to think it's good it's the logical fallacy here. In any case you went for the Thesaurus to sound smart yet still failed to even make sense, now THAT actually is comedy.

 

[Marionettetc]

The circlejerk is strong here.
Do you people want to talk about logical fallacies?
What about the fact that your opinion (yes opinion) that fallout 3 is a bad is just that , an opinion.
It its not a fact at all . "Water boils at 100 degrees " , thats a fact , what you have is an opinion.
I liked fallout 3 alot , I also played finished and loved fallout 1 .
Shocking right?
Learn to respect others opinions , your opinion is not fact.

That's nice.

Let me attempt to rephrase the general anti fallout 3 sentiment into something you can digest easier :

"People who liked Fallout 3 are the lowest common denominator."

Is that better for you?

So people who have different video game tastes than you are the lowest common denominator now?
That´s sad .
I also enjoyed fallout 1 , it was a very good game.
Now that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy fallout 3 and the atmosphere that it accomplished.
As for the people attacking my typing i was writing on a crappy laptop keyboard.
This is much better now.
Oh and learn to debate without the use of ad hominem maybe.

Here's some info for you that might change how you view "us Fallout 1 elitists who hate 3"

I'm 32.
I got into fallout 1 when I was like 16. I never played Wasteland.
I've played first person shooters my whole life.
I've played rpgs my whole life, going back to Phantasy Star 1 on the Sega Master system.

What drew me to Fallout 1 was the really black and witty writing, expansive and balanced combat and weapons and the overall vibe of the Fallout setting and music. Went on to 2, dabbled with tactics, and continued to play the Fallouts all the way up to now.

I put over a hundred hours in 3, played all the DLCs, hundreds of hours more into New Vegas and all the DLCS.

None of this is waving my E-penis around, but giving you background information about who you think is a Fallout elitist.

I'm not a fallout elitist. The reason I obviously took to 1/2 is the fact they have just about everything I'm looking for in a rpg. They are probably some of my favorite games of all time.

I went on to even give 3 a chance, knowing full well another developer bought the license and wouldn't recreate the magic the originals have. 3 was really badly written, full of cliches, hokey plot hooks and flat/paper thin npcs and background characters. It has nothing to do with the fact 3 was a FPS. I have no issue enjoying FPS', but that doesn't mean that I'm going to like a game just because the Fallout name was attached to it. If 3 didn't have the Fallout name attached to it and was just some generic next gen IP I would have said it was ok - albeit really thin with weak writing.

Due to the fact it was attempting to be a sequel to another, already established game with significant cult following of dedicated fans and a very rich lore, and didn't even live up to a fraction of the original universe means I think it's a bad game. New Vegas at least had comparable writing and "feeling" to the originals, being written by remnants of Interplay instead of some jobbers who had nothing to do with the originals.

It's a flat, generic FPS with some surface level RPG mechanics and the writing is dreadful and insults my intelligence. I, like many other older Fallout fans have heard EVERY SINGLE THING people such as yourself have said about the disjunction between the original Fallout games and 3.

It's old, stale, insulting and pretentious to think that every single old fallout fan is just a dusty curmudgeon that doesn't accept change. I accept change, I play current gen games. Fallout 3 was just shit and insulted a franchise I hold very close to my heart. Just because it has FALLOUT attached to it doesn't mean it gets a free pass from critical inspection.

So why don't you digest all that, buddy.

 

[TorontoReign]

Straight to Godwins Law, eh Newbie?

When I refer to retards I am referring to triple posting, horse beating, nonsense which has been repeated here countless times before. Fallout 3 is not a good RPG. Neither is Skyrim. They serve as good walking simulators, more like Adventure games really with RPG elements. Perfect for a framework for modders to build upon, and Bethesda to inevitably steal ideas off of. Fallout 3 is rather good for mods though, which is why most people like the game. I had a bit of fun with numerous mods, but New Vegas is a better Fallout game and a better RPG. When people refer to railroading/preventing you from going north in New Vegas I laugh. I found numerous routes to take from that starting position in Goodsprings - even north if you don't suck and know how to play the game. Level-scaling is shit btw. Another reason Fallout 3 isn't quite what old fans had in mind.

Just to be clear, Fallout 3 is a decent game, when it isn't crashing, bugging out, forcing you to make stupid choices, blocking your progress with invincible super kids to taunt you, and numerous other complaints that have been addressed in the countless threads (NOT THIS ONE) across the forum. So if people get snippy it is because most of what has been said has been repeated countless times before to a bunch of noobs that registered on here to defend Fallout 3.

Also, I'm not pissed in the least bit. I am more than willing to debate, although I'm not sure what all the harsh talk about Obsidian is about. They are a far better developer than Bethesda, as far as RPG's go. Do their games sometimes feature a number of bugs? Sure, as do most Bethesda games. Alpha Protocol is often praised as a flawed gem. Tread lightly before badmouthing a game that far exceeds the one you are attempting to defend. Knights of the Old Republic 2 was superior to the first, bugs and all, in my humble opinion. I had a blast with it and I played it on the Xbox, without all the badass restoration content/bugfixes...

 

[newbiewanderer]

Straight to Godwins Law, eh Newbie?

When I refer to retards I am referring to triple posting, horse beating, nonsense which has been repeated here countless times before. Fallout 3 is not a good RPG. Neither is Skyrim. They serve as good walking simulators, more like Adventure games really with RPG elements. Perfect for a framework for modders to build upon, and Bethesda to inevitably steal ideas off of. Fallout 3 is rather good for mods though, which is why most people like the game. I had a bit of fun with numerous mods, but New Vegas is a better Fallout game and a better RPG. When people refer to railroading/preventing you from going north in New Vegas I laugh. I found numerous routes to take from that starting position in Goodsprings - even north if you don't suck and know how to play the game. Level-scaling is shit btw. Another reason Fallout 3 isn't quite what old fans had in mind.

Just to be clear, Fallout 3 is a decent game, when it isn't crashing, bugging out, forcing you to make stupid choices, blocking your progress with invincible super kids to taunt you, and numerous other complaints that have been addressed in the countless threads (NOT THIS ONE) across the forum. So if people get snippy it is because most of what has been said has been repeated countless times before to a bunch of noobs that registered on here to defend Fallout 3.

Also, I'm not pissed in the least bit. I am more than willing to debate, although I'm not sure what all the harsh talk about Obsidian is about. They are a far better developer than Bethesda, as far as RPG's go. Do their games sometimes feature a number of bugs? Sure, as do most Bethesda games. Alpha Protocol is often praised as a flawed gem. Tread lightly before badmouthing a game that far exceeds the one you are attempting to defend. Knights of the Old Republic 2 was superior to the first, bugs and all, in my humble opinion. I had a blast with it and I played it on the Xbox, without all the badass restoration content/bugfixes...

Oh no doubt if you are looking for a good RPG and a good story Fallout 3 didn't fit the bill at all .
I always thought it was pretty MEH.
I just liked the gameplay and atmosphere alot , especially when moded that game comes together really well for me.
That methodical white knuckle FPS combat while somewhat buggy is enjoyable for me , and most of all the atmosphere and the environmental storyline were suberb.
And that was something Tim Cain enjoyed alot also in that game.
That being said Fallout new Vegas had a better plot , more sidequests , was more morally grey , had more personality humour etc.
Much better game no doubt and so very enjoyable.
Look at the quest tree of one side quest , its a very complex game with many possible outcomes.
A masterpiece of my book.
I liked it alot more than 3 no doubt.

 

[Walpknut]

You are preaching to the Choir here, most of us here think New Vegas is a much much better Fallout game than Fo3, even the few rare Anti New Vegas purists think it did a better job than 3.

 

[TorontoReign]

Yeah, I mean look at this epic tale of New Vegas awesomeness:


http://www.nma-fallout.com/showthread.php?199588-Duke-Nukem-Lost-in-New-Vegas-(Updated-June-12th)

 

[Walpknut]

I actually have all the screenshots of my Black Dynamite Let's play to the end of the game and the DLCs, I even toyed with visual cues for the different DLCs and recorded some video with fraps, but I never got to upload it. Maybe some day I'll continue it, now that the Black Dynamite show has been cancelled it might be a good personal sendoff....

 

[TorontoReign]

I actually have all the screenshots of my Black Dynamite Let's play to the end of the game and the DLCs, I even toyed with visual cues for the different DLCs and recorded some video with fraps, but I never got to upload it. Maybe some day I'll continue it, now that the Black Dynamite show has been cancelled it might be a good personal sendoff....

Yeah, I liked your Let's Play thread. I hope to continue mine as well, but have lacked the proper motivation to do so. Takes quite a bit of work really. We should do a crossover when we finish. Heh.

Come to think of it, I might use the latest Dragbody mod for it. Mel Gibson as Mad Max and Rick Grimes from Walking Dead....

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/m...ds.com/newvegas/ajax/modfiles/?id=58717&pUp=1

 

[joffrey]

newbie- not helping. I don't know if you are used to entering old forums but basically this is what happens. There's a bunch of people who have been here a long while. They've seen a ton of stuff and really don't tolerate anyone new easily. For good or for ill. Strong point, tons of info and they know the subject deeply. Weak point, bit dogmatic and (understandably) dislike retreading old ground. So don't waste your time with the basics or mudslinging and try and come up with some new angles if you want to defend 3.

My problem is being an old fan and having to be associated with a community with such childish bigotry. The classic fallout fanboy community reminds me of a group of D&Ders that spend all day long talking shit about Ren Faire geeks... it's just like get over it. I know in all of your minds you're in the right and your personal preferences are all that matter, but fuck man, F3 came out seven years ago. Get over it first of all; but more importantly don't hate on people just for liking something you don't. It just makes you and me and the whole community look bad -- and it's not intelligent.

 

[valcik]

Get over it first of all; but more importantly don't hate on people just for liking something you don't.

I don't hate Korin or Sduibek at all! Quite the opposite, they are men who can withstand some F3 related jokes in very manly and humorous manner, which is awesome. FFS don't be so serious dudes!

 

[TorontoReign]

newbie- not helping. I don't know if you are used to entering old forums but basically this is what happens. There's a bunch of people who have been here a long while. They've seen a ton of stuff and really don't tolerate anyone new easily. For good or for ill. Strong point, tons of info and they know the subject deeply. Weak point, bit dogmatic and (understandably) dislike retreading old ground. So don't waste your time with the basics or mudslinging and try and come up with some new angles if you want to defend 3.

My problem is being an old fan and having to be associated with a community with such childish bigotry. The classic fallout fanboy community reminds me of a group of D&Ders that spend all day long talking shit about Ren Faire geeks... it's just like get over it. I know in all of your minds you're in the right and your personal preferences are all that matter, but fuck man, F3 came out seven years ago. Get over it first of all; but more importantly don't hate on people just for liking something you don't. It just makes you and me and the whole community look bad -- and it's not intelligent.

No one hates people for liking what they like. Blanket statements about a community rarely pan out.

 

[joffrey]

At least have some integrity and own up to what your community is saying:

"People who liked Fallout 3 are the lowest common denominator."

This shite is so ridiculously common on here it's frankly absurd that you are feigning obliviousness. I don't like fallout 3, and I don't like opera. But I also don't make blanket bigoted comments about the artform, and especially not about people who enjoy it.

 

[Crni Vuk]

The thing is that many people that like Fallout 3 share certain qualities, in short games like Fallout 3, Oblivion etc. are Role Playing Games for people that actually don't really like RPGs but for some reason convince them self that they do.

And not everything is simply "opinion". To many people came in here explaining how Fallout 3 is a good Fallout game and when someone tells them it's not it comes down to "Opinions are never right or wrong!".Though in some cases they are, because well, everyone can go and read developer quotes, Fallout development history and everything that is behind it. The opinions of people might have changed today, no clue, but back than they made many of the decisions with certain goals in mind, like the choice for Turn Based combat or a top down view oposed to first person/over the shoulder. Those are design decisions. Many of the developers very cleary explained their targets and ideas for Fallout 1 and what they wanted to make - some of which has actually changed for Fallout 2, for the better or the worse. Todd and the people behind Oblivion and Fallout 3 though have completely different goals and intentions and they follow a completely different game design most probably because they are a different kind of game designer and making products for a different target audience. That's simply a fact. But when ever someone got to that point we NMA'ers get called purists, old fashioned, haters etc.

There is some hostility with Fallout 3 fans, no doubts about that. But I mean, is that really THAT surprising? It is a Fallout 1+2 community for the most part after all. Well New Vegas takes a big chunk of that now as well, but look at the main page and the art assets used there.