Do you think it's perfectly okay to dismiss Fallout 3...

[Korin]

I think that console users are far more screwed in the future than PC players sadly. Why? Well, they not only pay substantially more money for their games (around 60 compared to the 49 and sometimes 39! $ the new games cost around here)

Granted, console games cost about 10 dollars more at retail and you're likely to snag a lot of steam deals with the PC, the console prices aren't that bad. And with frequent sales it doesn't take long for those 60 dollar titles to dip into the 30/40 range. I've picked up a lot of great games like Bioshock 2 and Mass Effect 2 for less than 20 dollars, brand new.

And if you're into trading/buying used, you aren't bound by blood to the copy you've purchased. I've lent out one $20 game in exchange for another title 3-4 times. That 20-30 dollars can go a long way.

but they seem to face juast as the PC player more and more bugs with new games. And patching on consoles is a lot harder then on the PC simply cause with very popular games you have a chance that even if there happen to be no patchese around the community might try something. Not to mention that usualy you dont have to kiss either the butt of Sonny or Microsoft to release patches on the PC. Even if you release games on Steam games can be patched without the need of Steam.

Consoles tend to have less bugs on the technical side, but that has more to do with it being easier to QA and address a problem that occurs on a set of systems that are largely the same. PCs will always be buggier, because you never know what kind of wilderness of technology you're releasing the game into.

 

[Vrede]

Console users aren't any less entitled to bug fixes than PC users. Though, I'm pretty sure console users have been having less problems overall, which isn't surprising because a console isn't a few thousand different combinations of hardware and software.

Never really got this console "kiddy" thing. I'd rather play on a $300 system, sitting on a couch with a 50+ inch screen and surrounded by a set of towering home theater speakers than on a 2000 dollar computer, sitting hunched over in my computer room. To each their own.

And then there are those who do both... which is probably friggin' sweet.

Oh, and you think you can't play from the couch on the 50+" inch screen and with whatever sound system you'd like? On a 250$ PC?

Guess again.... hehe.

 

[SharkClub]

than on a 2000 dollar computer

I'm hoping there aren't people stupid enough to really think this is what it costs to get a decent PC capable of gaming these days.

 

[Lexx]

Well, it might be the reason, why everyone is buying a console nowdays. :p


Never paid more than ~100 euro for a computer upgrade of any kind and I am running everything on best graphic settings.

 

[Korin]

I haven't upgraded my home computer in about 5 years, which was back when I was a PC gamer. Eventually, I couldn't justify spending 1000ish dollars on another gaming PC, when I could spend 300 on a console I would enjoy just as much.

I mean, I've been a PC gamer. I've done the upgrades, the overclocks and the "ultra" settings on the games from back in the day. It's just not something I want to do anymore.

Not to mention I prefer gaming out in the living room with the home theatre system and using a controller. It's true, you can totally hook a computer up to a TV... you can even get a wireless 360 controller adapter (that doesn't work with every game). I couldn't justify the extent and cost of such a thing though.

Anyway, the point was mostly that owning a console doesn't inherently make you a "console kiddy".

 

[Tagaziel]

In the past four years me and my brother bought two (2) computers as gaming machines, built to last. In total we spent about 6000 zł on computers that can run modern games at acceptably high settings.

That means that we've spent around 1000$/750 Euro each on a gaming machine that can run recent games with ease. If we spent more money on the computer, we saved the same amount on games, which are singificantly cheaper than console ones. We also benefit from modability, so the games are inherently more valuable than their console versions.

So yeah, I can say that "PCs are expensive! Consoles are cheaper!" argument is total bullshit.

 

[Black Feather]

Don't know where he lives, but here, if you know where to look, you can get a decent mid-end PC for roughly 300 USD...

 

[Crni Vuk]

Granted, console games cost about 10 dollars more at retail and you're likely to snag a lot of steam deals with the PC, the console prices aren't that bad. And with frequent sales it doesn't take long for those 60 dollar titles to dip into the 30/40 range. I've picked up a lot of great games like Bioshock 2 and Mass Effect 2 for less than 20 dollars, brand new.

Well its no surprised that there are cheap alternatives. But those are not I am talking about. In general I think one can say that on the console "new" games are 20% more expensive then on the PC. And if prices drop they usualy drop significantly more on the PC then the Console.

Though it also seems that trading of games will be killed in the near future completely by "online accounts" and users forced to register the games with their name or something they already do now. No clue how bad that is on the console so far. But I guess thats one major drawback on the PC.

PCs will always be buggier, because you never know what kind of wilderness of technology you're releasing the game into.

Hey I know that. You know that. Just Bethesda doesnt

I dont have the experience. But it seems to me the console will catch up with the PC sooner or later in that matter

THe way how I see it console players face a lot of restrictions which we as long time PC players simply never would accept. no dedicated servers ? Accounts which require you to pay to play ? I can see the benefits certain systems on the console give you I am not stupid and even if I dont use them social networks are the new gods today. But sadly many people trying me to explain the benefits of either Windows Life or any similar network fail as well to see the sacrifice they make in the process. Nothing wrong with those systems. But I am a PC gamer of the "old days". I prefer my programms to have a choice. Like in installing them or not. And often enough I as PC user get "forced" to install Windows Life with the games even if I dont need them. Thats kinda obtrusive in my eyes.

I like the console for its simplicity. But I am not ready to trade what I have with what it offers. Particularly when I am not a that strong gamer and enjoy most of the time modifications, and I mean REAL modifications not just this texture replaces for Vegas. Stuff that are games for it self. Like Counter Strike once was.

 

[Bad_Karma]

I think the whole argument of 'sitting on my couch on a console vs having to sit on my desk' is a bit off.
My main input device for computer games is a mouse and my keyboard, so i think a desk it much more comfortable to use them on when compared to what i've got for coffee table in my living room.
And there are games i would never play with a Joypad, as there are also games i would never play with mouse and keyboard.

 

[Korin]

Well, it might be the reason, why everyone is buying a console nowdays. :p

Never paid more than ~100 euro for a computer upgrade of any kind and I am running everything on best graphic settings.

That means that we've spent around 1000$/750 Euro each on a gaming machine that can run recent games with ease. If we spent more money on the computer, we saved the same amount on games, which are singificantly cheaper than console ones. We also benefit from modability, so the games are inherently more valuable than their console versions.

So yeah, I can say that "PCs are expensive! Consoles are cheaper!" argument is total bullshit.

Maybe I'm crazy and things have changed a lot in the last few years, but for me to build a PC that I can put out in the living room and hook up to my entertainment center (and run Fallout 3/NV on ultra settings) seems like it would cost over 1000. I live in Canada, so the pricing is not always the best.

It would be cheaper to try and upgrade my existing PC, but it's an old dual core. A new video card probably isn't going to breath fresh life into it. Then there is the problem of not wanting to play on a desktop. Unless whatever computer I'm buying can be used from the comfort of a couch, with the big screen and home theatre, it's somewhat pointless.

I've had all these conversations before, my friend is a PC gamer. Consoles just seem more practical to me these days. It does everything I would want it to. MSN, movies/netflix, music, gaming, etc. And at the end of the day, it's still cheaper. Even if I pay slightly more for a game, I can also resell it. I can trade it or swap it around with friends. I can go to a party and bring MW2 for 4-player split screen.

I don't really care if someone is a PC gamer, but there's plenty of good reason to be a console gamer. I still game on my PC, but the only games I've played on it probably in the last year were WoW and Fallout 1/2. They ran pretty well :-p

 

[Stanislao Moulinsky]

it's very hard for me to understand why anyone would buy a console for any reason other than platform exclusive games (i.e. Uncharted, Forza).

That (which is a good enough reason. I mean, there's no Bayonetta on PC) and simplicity. No settings, no problems with drivers and stuff. Just install the game and you are done.

 

[Todd Howard's #1 Fan]

Just the notion of skipping Fallout 3 is one of the most absurd things I've had the misfortune to read on these forums. It'd be like skipping The Two Towers before watching The Return of the King, with The Hobbit as Fallout, and FoTR as Fallout 2. I could only assume under this analogy spin-offs such as NV and Tactics would be elaborate LOTR fan fictions.

 

[Nalano]

Just the notion of skipping Fallout 3 is one of the most absurd things I've had the misfortune to read on these forums. It'd be like skipping The Two Towers before watching The Return of the King, with The Hobbit as Fallout, and FoTR as Fallout 2. I could only assume under this analogy spin-offs such as NV and Tactics would be elaborate LOTR fan fictions.

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnno.

 

[Millim]

How can you say something stupid like that? Ur comparing the Fallout games to Lotr.
1. Missing a FO game is not a big deal since none really follow on.
2. FO3 has hardly any connections to FO1 and 2 besides Harold.
3. If we have to play all spin off games aswell, then does tham mean I have to buy BoS aswell?

 

[Little Robot]

Just the notion of skipping Fallout 3 is one of the most absurd things I've had the misfortune to read on these forums. It'd be like skipping The Two Towers before watching The Return of the King, with The Hobbit as Fallout, and FoTR as Fallout 2. I could only assume under this analogy spin-offs such as NV and Tactics would be elaborate LOTR fan fictions.

Todd Howard's #1 Fan, it's good to see you again! I haven't seen you pop up for a while.

It's a little unusual to hear you saying good things about FO1 and 2, though. Maybe I've been misinterpreting you for a long time, but this post seems to basically put FO3 on the same level as all the other FO games... perhaps you misspoke?

 

[SharkClub]

Just the notion of skipping Fallout 3 is one of the most absurd things I've had the misfortune to read on these forums. It'd be like skipping The Two Towers before watching The Return of the King, with The Hobbit as Fallout, and FoTR as Fallout 2. I could only assume under this analogy spin-offs such as NV and Tactics would be elaborate LOTR fan fictions.

Goddamn I love this guy.

 

[Faceless Stranger]

Just the notion of skipping Fallout 3 is one of the most absurd things I've had the misfortune to read on these forums. It'd be like skipping The Two Towers before watching The Return of the King, with The Hobbit as Fallout, and FoTR as Fallout 2. I could only assume under this analogy spin-offs such as NV and Tactics would be elaborate LOTR fan fictions.

Welcome back mate, finish another playthrough of Failout 3? How many would that be now?

 

[Relentless666]

So, does this analogy turn S.T.A.L.K.E.R. into the "Chronicles of Narnia"?

 

[Crni Vuk]

I guess we all missed Todd, as hes almost a mascot of this community. Kinda.

 

[Nalano]

I guess we all missed Todd, as hes almost a mascot of this community. Kinda.

He scares me. Make him go away.