Every time again ... E3 rant topic.

[CerberusGate]

I can't wait to 'obtain' the Xcom 2 dlc!

I know what you mean!

I'm actually paying for it since it does seem like it is doing something right in terms of game design and content while still leaving a strongly worded criticism for their day-1 bullshit DLC instead of overreacting over practices done worse by every other triple-A developer!

 

[Walpknut]

I pay for things because I am not a student or unemployed anymore.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I know what you mean!

I'm actually paying for it since it does seem like it is doing something right in terms of game design and content while still leaving a strongly worded criticism for their day-1 bullshit DLC instead of overreacting over practices done worse by every other triple-A developer!

Well, I want to 'obtain' it because its 2017, and Xcom 2 has some of the worst gameplay I have ever seen.

Its basically a vastly downgraded Fallout 1-2, but with a fancier coat of paint.

 

[CT Phipps]

I'm pretty much only interested in BATTLEFRONT 2.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I'm pretty much only interested in BATTLEFRONT 2.

You absolute monster.

After Battlefront 1 being a giant piece of shit which is already functionally dead?

What's the deal with every fucking game nowadays lasting no longer than 10 years?

I can still play fucking Wolfenstein 3d, but noooooooooooooo, Titanfall (a shit game anyway) is dead.

 

[CerberusGate]

Its basically a vastly downgraded Fallout 1-2, but with a fancier coat of paint.

Isn't that every modern game in a nutshell? Aside from some indie and niche games, every game is focused on getting fancier coats of paints with worsening gameplay. The medium is dying and waiting for a new crash.

And there are honestly far worse games than X-COM 2 that look bad and play even worse. I do question the comparison between X-COM and Fallout though since they are from differing genres even if they use turn-based gameplay.

It's why I no longer bother with pirating and whatnot. There's no point and it's frankly an immature & pointless way of opposing said 'system'. Plus such attitude can lead to the doubling down on stupider methods to combat piracy and anti-consumer practices, citing that these things are for 'our' own 'good' to defend against pirating and whatnot.

Instead, I simply don't buy/play triple-A games I doubt I would like. I don't even bother wasting the disk space through pirating.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Isn't that every modern game in a nutshell? Aside from some indie and niche games, every game is focused on getting fancier coats of paints with worsening gameplay. The medium is dying and waiting for a new crash.

And there are honestly far worse games than X-COM 2 that look bad and play even worse. I do question the comparison between X-COM and Fallout though since they are from differing genres even if they use turn-based gameplay.

It's why I no longer bother with pirating and whatnot. There's no point and it's frankly an immature & pointless way of opposing said 'system'. Plus such attitude can lead to the doubling down on stupider methods to combat piracy and anti-consumer practices, citing that these things are for 'our' own 'good' to defend against pirating and whatnot.

Instead, I simply don't buy/play triple-A games I doubt I would like. I don't even bother wasting the disk space through pirating.

Might as well pirate until the market crashes, and people are forced to make stuff of quality~ ;P

Seriously though, in every aspect which matters other than the annoying gimmick of chest-high-walls (cover), Fallout bests Xcom 2, which is terrifying.

I tried telling some brainwashed AAA tards about it, and they just don't get it.

Its like complex stats, armour, damage, and more modifiers are beyond them.

 

[Prone Squanderer]

I'm pretty much only interested in BATTLEFRONT 2.

Calling it now, 8/10.



I miss playing the first Battlefront II.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Calling it now, 8/10.



I miss playing the first Battlefront II.

IGN score=10/10 (Totally not bribed).

Review pros.

"Gunz"

Review cons.

"Too many male characters"

 

[CerberusGate]

Might as well pirate until the market crashes, and people are forced to make stuff of quality~ ;P

Except thanks to trends and the current attention span of modern gamers, that won't happen. Not fast enough to make any difference plus pirating doesn't do much to the market except make for stupider countermeasures and anti-consumer practices.

Seriously though, in every aspect which matters other than the annoying gimmick of chest-high-walls (cover), Fallout bests Xcom 2, which is terrifying.

I tried telling some brainwashed AAA tards about it, and they just don't get it.

Its like complex stats, armour, damage, and more modifiers are beyond them.

Terrifying? Isn't that a bit of an overreaction? Eye-rolling or head shaking maybe but terrifying?

Honestly, why bother trying to inform people you consider brainwashed if you know that it's pointless? I don't bother trying to inform people if I know there is no point to it.

Plus there is one other argument that people can chuck back for simpler mechanics: Streamlining. Some older games honestly need streamlining (or should be packaged with the physical manual if purchased) and some don't; the problem is most triple-A equate streamlining to dumbing down, hence today's form of stream-lining.

I miss playing the first Battlefront II.

New Battlefront is gonna piss off future game historians and catalogers.

"There were two Battlefronts and two Battlefront IIs. The first one was nothing much and the other was a apparently improvement over the first but I can't be sure which Battlefronts was that since people kept saying reviewers were bribed... Hang on, I need to look this up."

 

[Prone Squanderer]

IGN score=10/10 (Totally not bribed).

Review pros.

"Gunz"

Review cons.

"Too many male characters"

Oh I wasn't talking about IGN

 

[CerberusGate]

8/10

Hey, it could be a 9/10 if it was fun enough for who I think you're talking about

 

[CT Phipps]

Hey, it could be a 9/10 if it was fun enough for who I think you're talking about

Pretty much how the ratings go, yeah.

If it's under a 7, I generally don't bother writing a review.

You absolute monster.

After Battlefront 1 being a giant piece of shit which is already functionally dead?

What's the deal with every fucking game nowadays lasting no longer than 10 years?

I can still play fucking Wolfenstein 3d, but noooooooooooooo, Titanfall (a shit game anyway) is dead.

I want to play it because it has a single player campaign written by the guy who did Spec Ops: The Line. It's where you play as Imperial soldiers who eventually join the First Order.

That sounds like an interesting campaign.

Also, it's a female POC protagonist.

 

[Prone Squanderer]

I want to play it because it has a single player campaign written by the guy who did Spec Ops: The Line. It's where you play as Imperial soldiers who eventually join the First Order.

That sounds like an interesting campaign.

I dunno, to me the whole "defect to the rebels" thing has been done so much. At least with the original Battlefront II it was on the Empire's side, which I'd like to see more of.

Also, it's a female POC protagonist.

Not sure what that really adds, it's certainly not enough to get me to buy the game. Quality of the character is what counts, not their skin or genitals.

EDIT: Fixing the bloody quote tags.

 

[CT Phipps]

I dunno, to me the whole "defect to the rebels" thing has been done so much. At least with the original Battlefront II it was on the Empire's side, which I'd like to see more of.

No, you remain a loyal Imperial throughout.

Not sure what that really adds, it's certainly not enough to get me to buy the game. Quality of the character is what counts, not their skin or genitals.

Quality is impacted by sex and genitals. Certainly, I think it shows the people bothered to insert some effort into their characterization.

 

[MercenarySnake]

Quality is impacted by sex and genitals. Certainly, I think it shows the people bothered to insert some effort into their characterization.

Not really, quality is impacted by whether someone decided to flesh out the character's story and personality. Though quality is impacted if you just throw in a protagonist who's a woman with no character or anything and is put in to be progressive. It shouldn't matter if it's a man or a woman, what matters is if they are more than simply a cardboard cutout.

 

[CT Phipps]

Not really, quality is impacted by whether someone decided to flesh out the character's story and personality.

Which will be impacted by their sex and race in any well-written story.

I also think it's interesting to put more female and POC characters in Star Wars, particularly in the Empire or FO.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Also, it's a female POC protagonist.

Please tell me you're joking.

Please.

God damnit you're not joking, aren't you?

So first we have Battlefield 1, where apparently the Germans were from Africa, and now we have a Strong Independant Black Woman mary sue.

Lovely.

Fuck it, from now on, every character needs to be otherkin furry nazi liberals who are transgender, genderqueer, who are fat, and finally are every colour of the rainbow while having ten sets of both genitals each.

 

[CerberusGate]

Quality is impacted by sex and genitals. Certainly, I think it shows the people bothered to insert some effort into their characterization.

Which will be impacted by their sex and race in any well-written story.

That's... not how it works...

Good writing, exploration and execution impacts quality. Mere representation by gender is not sufficient or it'll come across as token or forced. In fact, mere token insertion with no meaning or purpose won't show characterization; it just shows lazy pandering or has no meaning, and that's a disservice to actually good representation.

Now if that female protagonist has an interesting story and background (i.e being akin (though not superior) to Thrawn by reaching high ranks in the Imperial army through accomplishments despite the way the Empire operates or actually believes in the Empire's cause etc.) while bringing in a new perspective to Imperial life (i.e how the chain of command shifted etc.) after the Empire's fall (in the new canon) in EA Battlefront 2, maybe that character, along with the others, could be a selling point.

 

[CT Phipps]

Please tell me you're joking.

Please.

God damnit you're not joking, aren't you?

So first we have Battlefield 1, where apparently the Germans were from Africa, and now we have a Strong Independant Black Woman mary sue.

Lovely.

Fuck it, from now on, every character needs to be otherkin furry nazi liberals who are transgender, genderqueer, who are fat, and finally are every colour of the rainbow while having ten sets of both genitals each.

Uhm...

Not only were Black soldiers in WW1, it's actually kind of famous that France was furious Americans refused to honor them. They put up a statue dedicated to said veterans because of it.

Quite a few African American soldiers chose to stay in France because of it.

Is there any reason why Battlefield shouldn't have a Black lead?

That's... not how it works...

Good writing, exploration and execution impacts quality. Mere representation by gender is not sufficient or it'll come across as token or forced. In fact, mere token insertion with no meaning or purpose won't show characterization; it just shows lazy pandering or has no meaning, and that's a disservice to actually good representation.

Now if that female protagonist has an interesting story and background (i.e being akin (though not superior) to Thrawn by reaching high ranks in the Imperial army through accomplishments despite the way the Empire operates or actually believes in the Empire's cause etc.) while bringing in a new perspective to Imperial life (i.e how the chain of command shifted etc.) after the Empire's fall (in the new canon) in EA Battlefront 2, maybe that character, along with the others, could be a selling point.

Well, I write for a living and everything about a character's backstory impacts their personality and writing. You can't just write women as men or men as women. In this case, though, it's attention grabbing and is noticeable.

The character's backstory is intriguing from what I've heard. Basically being from a war torn world the Empire brought order to and with a fanatical belief they are actually a force for good and the New Republic are terrorists.