It does not happen that you know Kongo Mueller somehow? 
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El Pagano Loco
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Oh, you mean K-Dog Mueller, tight pack him and I, Iron Cross genital implants and all.
Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Jebus said:
The war of 82 was done by a dictatorship government by incompetent people who didn't even planned that britain would respond, and Tatcher only did just to gain popularity.
The first aggressor was the UK when they took the islands by force unprovoked the first time. You can't take things by force and then complain others are being "aggressive" because they try to take them back, so don't be ridiculous.
And the "just let things go" thing is exactly the reason why all this willingness to fight thing I talked about appeared, not as a part of the argument of why the islands belong to Argentina. Argentina hasn't let it go in 180 and wont let it go now or in the future. Simple as that.
In any case it was the british who pushed a war by refusing every diplomatic solution for 149 years (I think that's enough time of being "patient") and they keep doing it now. It is the UK that took them by force and keep them by force because force is the only language they understand.
We complained with legal arguments and they ignored all of them. And no, I do not think the UK has arguments as valid as Argentina's.
EDIT: By the way, Argentine "aggression" was a commando operation that resulted in the surrender of the small british garrison without any of the british marines getting as much as a twisted ankle. Aimed at forcing a negotiation that the british were refusing.
It was Tatcher who sent 100 ships to the South Atlantic, and during negotiations sunk an argentine ship outside of the exclusion zone killing 300 people and forcing a war that ended up with at least 255 of their own people killed. So who is more aggressive?
Yes, the idiots who planned the recovery of the islands were indeed too naive as to think the UK would have wanted to seek a peaceful resolution, even when no british troops or civilians were harmed.
They should have known that the british would respond by killing 300 argentines in a heartbeat without hesitating.
Gonzalez said:
The pig-headedness of your argument is making my puppy sad:
How dare you be so evil towards puppies, man? Do you have no heart? Do you have no soul?
It doesn't matter which regime launched the invasion: trying to invade a claim and losing the war is enough to lose your claims forever. Look at Germany: it doesn't matter that it was the nazi's that launched WWII: nobody'd even consider handing back the erstwhile German territories. It's how things work.
Also, if the Argentinian regime had even cast as much as a passing look over history they'd have known what they were getting themselves into. Britain doesn't respond well to violent threats. And they don't roll over because of a pathetic show of force...
Brittania rules the waves, duder. Or at least they rule yours. THEY RULE YOUR WAVES.
gonzales, you should always ask your self one thing. It will help you in the long run.
what would you do if you would be British?
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I also just realized it now really ... dude ... do you really ... show your puppy NMA. Fucking ... cruel man ... cruel
what would you do if you would be British?
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I also just realized it now really ... dude ... do you really ... show your puppy NMA. Fucking ... cruel man ... cruel
Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Jebus said:
Oh really? Well, then I guess is a good thing the UN disagrees with your point of view and that your opinion is not international law
Unlike you and the UK, the UN doesn't seem to think that force is the ultimate deciding factor and does not believe in the rule of the strongest.
Also, good luck for the brits trying to get any profit at all from the islands without south american support. Nothing like having something in the other end of an entire continent that does not agree with you being there.
Ohh, and sorry about you puppy, man. Give him/her a biscuit, maybe it'll cheer him/her up.
Crni Vuk said:
Like you said, you cannot understand me because you are not argentinenan. Well, I am not british.
no I said I don't know much about the Falklands or the Argentinians. But can at least compare your situation to serbia and what the Kosovo meant for us. The Falkands though are not kosovo. But even if you are not British one can at least try to see the situation from a different perspective. Maybe you have more on in common with them then you think? Who knows.
TheGM
The voice of reason
Gonzalez said:
Doesn't stop them from being hilarious!
Maybe the islands should become their own independent country - Some interesting facts according to Wikipedia -
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1504: Binot Paulmier de Gonneville (France) sights islands that may have been the Falklands.
1520: Esteban Gómez (Spain) with the ship San Antonio of Magellan's Spanish expedition, sights islands that may have been the Falkland Islands. Islands are shown in the cartography of the epoch; possibly the most remarkable of these are those of Turkish Admiral Piri Reis which show a coastline that could be interpreted as Antarctica (some 300 years before the official discovery).
1592: John Davis (England), member of the second English expedition of Cavendish, shelters among islands that may have been the Falklands. The Falklands motto Desire the right is in part based on Davis' ship Desire
1600: Sebald de Weert (Netherlands) sights the islands. This is widely accredited as the first sighting of the islands.
1816: The United Provinces of the Río de la Plata, later called Argentina, claimed independence from Spain. *** First time Argentina is mentioned.
1947: Britain first offers to take the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina does not accept.
1948: Britain again offers to take the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina declines.
1955: Britain unilaterally refers the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina indicates that it will not accept any judgment.
1971:...Islanders traveling through Argentina are forced to carry Argentine Identity Cards rather than a British passport. Argentine Government agrees to suspend sovereignty claims whilst attempting to win the islanders over.
1982: Various tensions, but mainly the desire of the Argentine military junta to distract attention from domestic economic and political ills, led to an Argentine invasion. The islands were later retaken by the UK. (See Falklands War.) In November, the United Nations General Assembly called on the UK and Argentina to resume sovereignty negotiations, but the UK refuses to discuss sovereignty unless it has the consent of the Islanders. An updated Shackleton report on the economic prospects for the islands is published following the conflict.
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1504: Binot Paulmier de Gonneville (France) sights islands that may have been the Falklands.
1520: Esteban Gómez (Spain) with the ship San Antonio of Magellan's Spanish expedition, sights islands that may have been the Falkland Islands. Islands are shown in the cartography of the epoch; possibly the most remarkable of these are those of Turkish Admiral Piri Reis which show a coastline that could be interpreted as Antarctica (some 300 years before the official discovery).
1525: Pedro Vega (Spain) Captain of the Anunciada, part of Frey Garcia Jofre de Loaysa's expedition, possible sighting.
1529: Diego de Ribero produces a map indicating islands in the position of the Falklands. Information this is based on is likely to have come from Esteban Gómez.
1535: Simon de Alcazaba (Spain) sights islands that may have been the Falklands.
1540: Ferdinand Camargo (Spain) shelters in islands that may have been the Falklands.
1541: The "Sanson" islands are indicated on the Map XV del Islario (atlas) de Alonso de Santa Cruz in a position corresponding to the Falklands.
1543: Juan Bautista Agnese produces a nautical chart indicating the "Sanson" Islands in a position corresponding to the Falklands.
1562: A map showing the "Sanson" islands is produced. Original author may be either Diego Gutiérrez or Bartholome Olives.
1571: A map produced by Fernao Vaz Dourado shows islands in the correct position of the Falklands.
1577: The "Sanson" Islands are indicated on the Martinez nautical chart.
1580: The "Sanson" Islands are indicated on the Olives nautical chart. Possible circumnavigation by Sir Francis Drake.
1583: Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa (Spain) sights islands that may have been the Falklands.
1590: Islands are shown on contemporary Spanish and Italian charts.
1592: John Davis (England), member of the second English expedition of Cavendish, shelters among islands that may have been the Falklands. The Falklands motto Desire the right is in part based on Davis' ship Desire
1593: Richard Hawkins (England) maps the northern coastline, naming the islands Hawkins Maydenlande after himself and Queen Elizabeth. Whether the islands were in fact the Falklands is disputed.
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17th century
1600: Sebald de Weert (Netherlands) sights the islands. This is widely accredited as the first sighting of the islands.
1604: Treaty of London between Spain and England. Terms largely favourable to Spain set aside "what had been able to acquire previously to its signature".
1670: Treaty of Madrid. Spain recognised English possessions in the Caribbean Sea, and each country agreed to refrain from trading in the other's territory.
1675: Anthony de la Roché (England) discovers South Georgia.
1684: William Dampier and Ambrose Cowley (England). Dampier publishes an accurate position for the islands but Cowley's account contains an inaccurate position 230 miles (370 km) North leading to the legend of Pepys Island.
1690: John Strong (England) landed, and named the sound and eventually the entire island group after Viscount Falkland, Admiralty Commissioner.
1696: Dampier returns to circumnavigate the islands.
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18th century
Louis-Antoine de Bougainville, by Jean-Pierre Franquel
1701: Gouin de Beauchesne (France)
1708: Woodes Rogers (Great Britain)
1713: Treaty of Utrecht between Spain, France and Great Britain. Spain later claims this granted Spain sovereignty over the islands based on the Treaty of Tordesillas, a claim rejected by Great Britain.[1]
1740: George Anson (Great Britain)
1749: Anson proposes an expedition to find Pepys Island and establish a base on the Falkland Islands. Expedition is abandoned following pressure from the Spanish but with Great Britain formally rejecting the Spanish claim.[1]
1764: Louis de Bougainville (France) founded a naval base at Port Louis, East Falkland. The French named them the Îles Malouines, so-called from when the islands were briefly occupied by fishermen from St Malo. Many of the settlers were Acadians left homeless by the Great Expulsion in Nova Scotia.
1765: Ignorant of de Bougainville's presence, John Byron (Great Britain) claims Saunders Island and other islands for Britain. Britain builds a settlement on Saunders Island the following year.
1766: France and Spain reach agreement: French forces are to leave, and Spain agrees to pay for the installations built by de Bougainville.
1767: Fort St Louis is formally transferred to the Spanish Crown and renamed Puerto Soledad. Bougainville receives compensation for his efforts in establishing the colony. The first Spanish Governor, Don Felipe Ruiz Puente, is appointed.
1769: British and Spanish ships encounter one another whilst surveying the island. Each accuse the other of having no lawful reason for being in the islands.
1770: Falkland Crisis: Five Spanish ships arrive at Port Egmont with over 1400 troops under the command of General Madariaga. The British are forced to abandon Port Egmont
John Byron, by Joshua Reynolds, 1759
and threaten war.
John Byron, by Joshua Reynolds, 1759
1771: That dispute was settled, with Spain retaining Puerto Soledad and Great Britain Port Egmont. Spain returns all goods and chattels seized and makes restitution. The Spanish later claim a secret agreement was reached whereby the British would leave the island, this is denied by the British and no documentary proof of the agreement has ever been produced.
1774: The British decide to abandon many overseas settlements due to the economic pressures of the American War of Independence.
1775: Captain James Cook rediscovers South Georgia and takes formal possession on behalf of King George III.
1776: The British finally depart the islands but leave behind a plaque re-asserting British dominion. Spain ruled the islands as part of the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata after 1776.
1790: Nootka Convention. Britain conceded Spanish sovereignty over all Spain's traditional territories in the Americas. Whether or not the islands were included is disputed.
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19th century
1806: Spain recalls Governor Juan Crisostomo Martinez from the islands but leaves behind a plaque re-asserting Spanish dominion.
1807: Settlers on the Island face near starvation after the British occupy Montevideo and enforce a blockade.
1811: The Spanish evacuate Puerto Soledad, the islands become the domain of sealers and whalers.
1813: Isabella under Captain Higton is wrecked on Eagle Island (now known as Speedwell Island). 6 sailors undertake the hazardous voyage to the River Plate in an open longboat. The remaining crew are rescued by the American sealer Nanina under Captain Barnard. Whilst Barnard seeks additional supplies, the British crew seize Nanina and maroon the Americans.
1814: After being marooned for 18 months Barnard is rescued by the British whalers Asp and Indispensible.
1816: The United Provinces of the Río de la Plata, later called Argentina, claimed independence from Spain.
1819: The South Shetland Islands are discovered by Captain William Smith who claims possession for King George III.
1820: After an 8 month voyage, and with the ship in a poor state, the Argentine frigate, Heroína, puts into the islands in October. On 6 November Captain Jewett raises the flag and claims the islands for the United Provinces of the River Plate.
1821: South Orkney Islands are discovered by Captain George Powell who claims possession for King George IV.
1823: The United Provinces of the River Plate appoints Don Pablo Areguati as Commandant of Puerto Soledad. An appointment in name only as he never sets foot on the islands.
1824: Luis Vernet and his partner Pacheco attempt an expedition to the islands. The venture is a failure.
1825: The United Kingdom recognised Argentina's independence from Spain.
1826: Vernet's first attempt to establish a settlement. Expeditions fails due to Brazilian blockade and conditions encountered on the islands.
1828: Vernet's settlement established.
1829: Buenos Aires issues decree setting up "Political and Military command of the Malvinas". Britain protests.
1831: Vernet seizes three US vessels and imprisons their crews. The US sends the USS Lexington and arrests seven of Vernets men. The Captain of the Lexington offers to take the settlers off the island. Most accept, however 24 remain and continue working for Vernet. The US declares the islands free from Government.
1832: Argentina sends a garrison commanded by Captain Jean Etienne Mestivier. Mestivier is murdered following a mutiny.
1833: Britain re-establishes control of the islands. (See Re-establishment of British rule on the Falklands (1833).) William Dixon is named as the British representative and Matthew Brisbane returns to take over Vernet's settlement at Port Louis. Charles Darwin's first visit to the islands. In August, Antonio Rivero leads a gang of creoles and Gauchos who murder key members of the settlement.
1834: Installation of the first British resident, Lt Henry Smith. Smith arrests Rivero's gang, restores the settlement and renames it Ansons Harbour. Charles Darwin's second visit.
1838: Lt Lowcay replaces Lt Smith.
1839: Lt Lowcay is replaced by Lt Robinson, in December Robinson is relieved by Lt Tyssen. Vernet is refused permission to return to the islands. G.T.Whittington forms a company to exploit fishery and agriculture, petitions the British Government to colonise the islands.
1840: The British approve the formation of a colony on the islands.
1841: General Rosas offers to relinquish any claim to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands in return for the relief of the Argentine debt to City of London interests. The British decline the offer. Lt Governor Moody is appointed as the first British Governor of the Islands, a Letters Patent establishes the legal framework for the colony.
1843: Work begins on the new town of Port Stanley, at Jackson's Harbour. South Georgia is placed under the administration of the Falkland Islands by the Letters Patent of 1843.
1845: In July, Stanley becomes new capital of the Falkland Islands.
1846: Samuel Lafone is awarded a contract to exploit feral cattle on East Falkland. He names the peninsular south of East Falkland Lafonia.
1847: Land is made available for sale or lease in the Falkland Islands. Ship repair trade in the islands is boosted by large number of ships rounding Cape Horn en-route to the California Gold Rush.
1849: 30 married Chelsea Pensioners and their families arrive in the islands. Population in the islands reaches 200.
1850: Britain and Argentina sign the “Convention between Great Britain and the Argentine Confederation, for the Settlement of existing Differences and the re-establishment of Friendship”.
1851: Falkland Islands Company is established by Royal Charter.
1852: Cheviot sheep are first introduced to the islands. Sheep farming later becomes the dominant agriculture on the islands.
1854: A defence force is formed on the islands in response to the Crimean War.
1859: Establishment of Darwin
1861: San Carlos Farm established.
1866: Establishment of Port Howard.
1875: Establishment of Goose Green.
1876: The last Warrah is killed at Shallow Bay.
1878: The first peat slide destroys several houses in Port Stanley.
1880s: The "forest" at Hill Cove is planted.
1881: The Falkland Islands became financially independent.
1884: Argentina request that the sovereignty dispute is submitted to independent arbitration, Britain refuses. The first mention of the Falkland Islands by Argentina for 34 years.
1886: Second peat slide destroys the exchange building and two women are killed.
1892: Consecration of Christchurch Cathedral.
1899: St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church is consecrated.
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20th century
1903: Christ Church Cathedral is completed.
1914: Battle of Coronel and Battle of the Falkland Islands.
1920: Falkland Islands Defence Force is formed following the First World War
1921: The killing of fur seals is banned.
1925: The "forest" at Hill Cove is enlarged, producing the most substantial stand of trees in the islands.
1933: The famous whalebone arch is constructed outside of Christchurch Cathedral to celebrate the centenary of the British administration.
1939: Battle of the River Plate. HMS Exeter shelters in the islands after suffering major damage in the battle.
1945: Formation of the United Nations, Argentina states its claim to the islands in its opening address.
1946: Britain includes the Falkland Islands among the non-autonomous territories subject to its administration, under Chapter XI of the UN charter.[2]
1947: Britain first offers to take the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina does not accept.
1948: Britain again offers to take the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina declines.
1955: Britain unilaterally refers the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina indicates that it will not accept any judgement.
1960s: Soviet Union expands interests in Antarctica and South Shetlands, and maintains "research vessels" in the South Atlantic until the 1990s.
1960: UN Resolution 1514 (XV) calls for an end to colonisation. Britains lists the islands as a colony, Argentina protests.
1961: Antarctic Treaty comes into force, all sovereignty claims in the Antarctic region are suspended.
1962: Britain transfers administration of the South Orkney Islands, South Shetland Islands and Graham Land from the Falklands to the British Antarctic Territory.
1964: A Cessna 172 piloted by Miguel Fitzgerald lands on Stanley racecourse, plants the Argentine flag and hands over a letter claiming sovereignty to bemused residents .
1965: December United Nations Resolution 2065 called upon Britain and Argentina to "proceed without delay with negotiations [...] with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem [...] bearing in mind [...] the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Las Islas Malvinas)."
The locally upgraded Balao class submarine ARA Santiago del Estero (S-12), Argentine Naval Base at Mar del Plata, circa 1969
1966: An Aerolíneas Argentinas DC-4 hijacked by 20 terrorists calling themselves 'Condors' crash lands on Stanley race course. Islanders assuming the aircraft was in trouble rush to assist and are taken hostage. Subjected to Country and Western music for 24 hrs the terrorists surrender and are repatriated to Argentina. Argentine tactical divers are landed by submarine ARA Santiago del Estero to conduct covert reconnaissance of suitable landing sites.
1967: Britain opens negotiations with Argentina and indicates willingness to transfer sovereignty.
1968: Falkland Islands Emergency Committee is formed to lobby on the Islanders behalf to remain British. A small private plane piloted by Miguel Fitzgerald crash lands on Eliza Cove Road during the visit of Lord Chalfont. Islanders reiterate their determination to remain British and reject suggestions of sovereignty transfer.
1970: SS Great Britain is returned to Bristol for restoration.
1971: Communications agreement signed between Britain and Argentina. Air links to the islands are established by LADE, Argentina's military airline, Britain promises a supply ship from Montevideo but later reneges. Islanders travelling through Argentina are forced to carry Argentine Identity Cards rather than a British passport. Argentine Government agrees to suspend sovereignty claims whilst attempting to win the islanders over.
Launch of the SS Great Britain, the revolutionary ship of Isambard Kingdom Brunel, at Bristol in 1843
1972: Work starts on a temporary airfield at Port Stanley.
Launch of the SS Great Britain, the revolutionary ship of Isambard Kingdom Brunel, at Bristol in 1843
1973: Newly elected President Juan Perón renews sovereignty claim in the UN, resolution 3160 urges negotiations but Britain refuses.
1974: YPF becomes the exclusive supplier of oil and gas company to the islands. Britain proposes a condominium solution to the sovereignty dispute but this is rejected by the islanders.
1975: Construction of a paved runway at Port Stanley commences. Lord Shackleton is asked to undertake an economic survey of the islands. Diplomatic relations between the UK and Argentina are broken.
1976: RRS Shackleton is fired upon by the Argentine destroyer ARA Almirante Storni during Lord Shackleton's mission. Argentina establishes a military base on Southern Thule. Britain protests but seeks a diplomatic solution.
1977: Operation Journeyman: in response to increasing tension with Argentina, the Callaghan Government sends a Royal Navy task force to the South Atlantic. Negotiations are re-opened with Argentina over the islands. Stanley airport opens.
1978: Falkland Islands Association opens a London office to lobby Parliament on the islanders behalf.
1979: Nicholas Ridley visits the Falkland Islands to canvass islanders views.
1980: Nicholas Ridley proposes leaseback solution, it is rejected by the islanders.
1981: British Nationality Act strips many islanders of British citizenship. It is announced that HMS Endurance is to be withdrawn and the British Antarctic Survey base in Grytviken is to close. Argentine scrap dealer Constantino Davidoff visits South Georgia without permission, setting of a chain of events resulting in the Falklands War
1982: Various tensions, but mainly the desire of the Argentine military junta to distract attention from domestic economic and political ills, led to an Argentine invasion. The islands were later retaken by the UK. (See Falklands War.) In November, the United Nations General Assembly called on the UK and Argentina to resume sovereignty negotiations, but the UK refuses to discuss sovereignty unless it has the consent of the Islanders. An updated Shackleton report on the economic prospects for the islands is published following the conflict.
1983: Franks Report into the causes of the Falklands War is published. British citizenship is restored to the islanders.
1984: Britain and Argentina enter into talks in Berne, Britain refuses to discuss sovereignty without the consent of the islanders. The Falklands war memorial is dedicated on Liberation Day (June 14).
1985: New Falkland Islands constitution is adopted. The Falkland Islands become a parliamentary representative democratic dependency. Falkland Islands Government
RAF Mount Pleasant
assumes responsibility for all domestic matters. Mount Pleasant Airfield opens.
RAF Mount Pleasant
1986: UN adopts an Argentine resolution calling for Britain to resume negotiations including sovereignty.
1987: Establishment of the Falkland Islands Fishery regime, this becomes the major source of income for the islands.
1989: Newly elected Argentine president Carlos Menem embarks on talks with Britain under the sovereignty umbrella.
1990: Britain and Argentina resume diplomatic relations. A Chilean airline begins charter flights to Mount Pleasant Airfield.
1991: Argentine next of kin visit the Argentine cemetery in Darwin.
1994: Argentina enshrines its claim to the Falkland Islands in its constitution.
1995: British and Argentine Governments sign an agreement concerning exploitation of oil deposits surrounding the islands. The Argentine warship ARA Granville harasses fishing vessels in Falkland Waters and threatens RFA Diligence. Regular visits by Argentine next of kin commences.
1997: Constitutional amendment balances the number of elected officials between Stanley and Camp.
1998: UK arms embargo on sales to Argentina is relaxed.
1999: The Chilean government requests that its airlines stop flying to the Falklands in response to the arrest of Augusto Pinochet in London,[3][4] prompting the Falkland Islanders to allow the British Government to enter negotiations with Argentina. An agreement between the British and Argentine Governments ends the ban on visits by Argentine nationals. Passenger flights over Argentine airspace are permitted in return.
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21st century
ARA Almirante Irízar (Q5) Antarctic icebreaker
2000: British Antarctic Survey base at Grytviken, South Georgia reopened.
ARA Almirante Irízar (Q5) Antarctic icebreaker
2001: British military garrison is withdrawn from South Georgia.
2002: First SAMA 82 pilgrimage to the islands. 200 British veterans of the conflict return to the islands.
2003: Several yachts competing in a solo round the world race are forced into Stanley for repairs.
2004: A permanent memorial to Argentine war dead is dedicated in Darwin. Argentine icebreaker Almirante Irízar harasses shipping in Falkland waters.[5]
2005: Falklands Gold and Minerals prospect for Gold in Lafonia
2007: 25th Anniversary of the Falklands War is commemorated in services in Stanley and London. Argentine president Néstor Kirchner renews sovereignty claim and renounces agreements over oil exploration. UK renews claims to Antarctic territory before the expiry of the deadline for territorial claims following Britains ratification of the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention. Major General Sir John Jeremy Moore, commander of the British land forces during the Falklands War, dies.
2008: The British Government announces that it is considering action on clearing the 20,000 mines left in the islands by Argentine forces during the Falklands War in 1982. Remains of an Argentine airman killed during the Falklands War were identified using DNA testing, the remains had been unidentified since discovery in 1986.[6]
2009: Preliminary clearance of some of the mine fields left over from the Falklands War begins. Argentina creates a diplomatic incident over the presence of Falkland Islands Government representatives at a conference on sustainable fishing in Spain.[7] After years of delay, the Argentine memorial at the Darwin cemetery was finally inaugurated.[8] Argentina submitted a claim for large areas of the South Atlantic, including the Falkland Islands, under the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention.[9]
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So I say the French, then Spanish, then English, and finally Dutch visited the islands before Argentina even existed. It appears Argentina's claim is based only on proximity, the historical connection is weaker than the other countries.
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1504: Binot Paulmier de Gonneville (France) sights islands that may have been the Falklands.
1520: Esteban Gómez (Spain) with the ship San Antonio of Magellan's Spanish expedition, sights islands that may have been the Falkland Islands. Islands are shown in the cartography of the epoch; possibly the most remarkable of these are those of Turkish Admiral Piri Reis which show a coastline that could be interpreted as Antarctica (some 300 years before the official discovery).
1592: John Davis (England), member of the second English expedition of Cavendish, shelters among islands that may have been the Falklands. The Falklands motto Desire the right is in part based on Davis' ship Desire
1600: Sebald de Weert (Netherlands) sights the islands. This is widely accredited as the first sighting of the islands.
1816: The United Provinces of the Río de la Plata, later called Argentina, claimed independence from Spain. *** First time Argentina is mentioned.
1947: Britain first offers to take the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina does not accept.
1948: Britain again offers to take the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina declines.
1955: Britain unilaterally refers the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina indicates that it will not accept any judgment.
1971:...Islanders traveling through Argentina are forced to carry Argentine Identity Cards rather than a British passport. Argentine Government agrees to suspend sovereignty claims whilst attempting to win the islanders over.
1982: Various tensions, but mainly the desire of the Argentine military junta to distract attention from domestic economic and political ills, led to an Argentine invasion. The islands were later retaken by the UK. (See Falklands War.) In November, the United Nations General Assembly called on the UK and Argentina to resume sovereignty negotiations, but the UK refuses to discuss sovereignty unless it has the consent of the Islanders. An updated Shackleton report on the economic prospects for the islands is published following the conflict.
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1504: Binot Paulmier de Gonneville (France) sights islands that may have been the Falklands.
1520: Esteban Gómez (Spain) with the ship San Antonio of Magellan's Spanish expedition, sights islands that may have been the Falkland Islands. Islands are shown in the cartography of the epoch; possibly the most remarkable of these are those of Turkish Admiral Piri Reis which show a coastline that could be interpreted as Antarctica (some 300 years before the official discovery).
1525: Pedro Vega (Spain) Captain of the Anunciada, part of Frey Garcia Jofre de Loaysa's expedition, possible sighting.
1529: Diego de Ribero produces a map indicating islands in the position of the Falklands. Information this is based on is likely to have come from Esteban Gómez.
1535: Simon de Alcazaba (Spain) sights islands that may have been the Falklands.
1540: Ferdinand Camargo (Spain) shelters in islands that may have been the Falklands.
1541: The "Sanson" islands are indicated on the Map XV del Islario (atlas) de Alonso de Santa Cruz in a position corresponding to the Falklands.
1543: Juan Bautista Agnese produces a nautical chart indicating the "Sanson" Islands in a position corresponding to the Falklands.
1562: A map showing the "Sanson" islands is produced. Original author may be either Diego Gutiérrez or Bartholome Olives.
1571: A map produced by Fernao Vaz Dourado shows islands in the correct position of the Falklands.
1577: The "Sanson" Islands are indicated on the Martinez nautical chart.
1580: The "Sanson" Islands are indicated on the Olives nautical chart. Possible circumnavigation by Sir Francis Drake.
1583: Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa (Spain) sights islands that may have been the Falklands.
1590: Islands are shown on contemporary Spanish and Italian charts.
1592: John Davis (England), member of the second English expedition of Cavendish, shelters among islands that may have been the Falklands. The Falklands motto Desire the right is in part based on Davis' ship Desire
1593: Richard Hawkins (England) maps the northern coastline, naming the islands Hawkins Maydenlande after himself and Queen Elizabeth. Whether the islands were in fact the Falklands is disputed.
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17th century
1600: Sebald de Weert (Netherlands) sights the islands. This is widely accredited as the first sighting of the islands.
1604: Treaty of London between Spain and England. Terms largely favourable to Spain set aside "what had been able to acquire previously to its signature".
1670: Treaty of Madrid. Spain recognised English possessions in the Caribbean Sea, and each country agreed to refrain from trading in the other's territory.
1675: Anthony de la Roché (England) discovers South Georgia.
1684: William Dampier and Ambrose Cowley (England). Dampier publishes an accurate position for the islands but Cowley's account contains an inaccurate position 230 miles (370 km) North leading to the legend of Pepys Island.
1690: John Strong (England) landed, and named the sound and eventually the entire island group after Viscount Falkland, Admiralty Commissioner.
1696: Dampier returns to circumnavigate the islands.
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18th century
Louis-Antoine de Bougainville, by Jean-Pierre Franquel
1701: Gouin de Beauchesne (France)
1708: Woodes Rogers (Great Britain)
1713: Treaty of Utrecht between Spain, France and Great Britain. Spain later claims this granted Spain sovereignty over the islands based on the Treaty of Tordesillas, a claim rejected by Great Britain.[1]
1740: George Anson (Great Britain)
1749: Anson proposes an expedition to find Pepys Island and establish a base on the Falkland Islands. Expedition is abandoned following pressure from the Spanish but with Great Britain formally rejecting the Spanish claim.[1]
1764: Louis de Bougainville (France) founded a naval base at Port Louis, East Falkland. The French named them the Îles Malouines, so-called from when the islands were briefly occupied by fishermen from St Malo. Many of the settlers were Acadians left homeless by the Great Expulsion in Nova Scotia.
1765: Ignorant of de Bougainville's presence, John Byron (Great Britain) claims Saunders Island and other islands for Britain. Britain builds a settlement on Saunders Island the following year.
1766: France and Spain reach agreement: French forces are to leave, and Spain agrees to pay for the installations built by de Bougainville.
1767: Fort St Louis is formally transferred to the Spanish Crown and renamed Puerto Soledad. Bougainville receives compensation for his efforts in establishing the colony. The first Spanish Governor, Don Felipe Ruiz Puente, is appointed.
1769: British and Spanish ships encounter one another whilst surveying the island. Each accuse the other of having no lawful reason for being in the islands.
1770: Falkland Crisis: Five Spanish ships arrive at Port Egmont with over 1400 troops under the command of General Madariaga. The British are forced to abandon Port Egmont
John Byron, by Joshua Reynolds, 1759
and threaten war.
John Byron, by Joshua Reynolds, 1759
1771: That dispute was settled, with Spain retaining Puerto Soledad and Great Britain Port Egmont. Spain returns all goods and chattels seized and makes restitution. The Spanish later claim a secret agreement was reached whereby the British would leave the island, this is denied by the British and no documentary proof of the agreement has ever been produced.
1774: The British decide to abandon many overseas settlements due to the economic pressures of the American War of Independence.
1775: Captain James Cook rediscovers South Georgia and takes formal possession on behalf of King George III.
1776: The British finally depart the islands but leave behind a plaque re-asserting British dominion. Spain ruled the islands as part of the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata after 1776.
1790: Nootka Convention. Britain conceded Spanish sovereignty over all Spain's traditional territories in the Americas. Whether or not the islands were included is disputed.
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19th century
1806: Spain recalls Governor Juan Crisostomo Martinez from the islands but leaves behind a plaque re-asserting Spanish dominion.
1807: Settlers on the Island face near starvation after the British occupy Montevideo and enforce a blockade.
1811: The Spanish evacuate Puerto Soledad, the islands become the domain of sealers and whalers.
1813: Isabella under Captain Higton is wrecked on Eagle Island (now known as Speedwell Island). 6 sailors undertake the hazardous voyage to the River Plate in an open longboat. The remaining crew are rescued by the American sealer Nanina under Captain Barnard. Whilst Barnard seeks additional supplies, the British crew seize Nanina and maroon the Americans.
1814: After being marooned for 18 months Barnard is rescued by the British whalers Asp and Indispensible.
1816: The United Provinces of the Río de la Plata, later called Argentina, claimed independence from Spain.
1819: The South Shetland Islands are discovered by Captain William Smith who claims possession for King George III.
1820: After an 8 month voyage, and with the ship in a poor state, the Argentine frigate, Heroína, puts into the islands in October. On 6 November Captain Jewett raises the flag and claims the islands for the United Provinces of the River Plate.
1821: South Orkney Islands are discovered by Captain George Powell who claims possession for King George IV.
1823: The United Provinces of the River Plate appoints Don Pablo Areguati as Commandant of Puerto Soledad. An appointment in name only as he never sets foot on the islands.
1824: Luis Vernet and his partner Pacheco attempt an expedition to the islands. The venture is a failure.
1825: The United Kingdom recognised Argentina's independence from Spain.
1826: Vernet's first attempt to establish a settlement. Expeditions fails due to Brazilian blockade and conditions encountered on the islands.
1828: Vernet's settlement established.
1829: Buenos Aires issues decree setting up "Political and Military command of the Malvinas". Britain protests.
1831: Vernet seizes three US vessels and imprisons their crews. The US sends the USS Lexington and arrests seven of Vernets men. The Captain of the Lexington offers to take the settlers off the island. Most accept, however 24 remain and continue working for Vernet. The US declares the islands free from Government.
1832: Argentina sends a garrison commanded by Captain Jean Etienne Mestivier. Mestivier is murdered following a mutiny.
1833: Britain re-establishes control of the islands. (See Re-establishment of British rule on the Falklands (1833).) William Dixon is named as the British representative and Matthew Brisbane returns to take over Vernet's settlement at Port Louis. Charles Darwin's first visit to the islands. In August, Antonio Rivero leads a gang of creoles and Gauchos who murder key members of the settlement.
1834: Installation of the first British resident, Lt Henry Smith. Smith arrests Rivero's gang, restores the settlement and renames it Ansons Harbour. Charles Darwin's second visit.
1838: Lt Lowcay replaces Lt Smith.
1839: Lt Lowcay is replaced by Lt Robinson, in December Robinson is relieved by Lt Tyssen. Vernet is refused permission to return to the islands. G.T.Whittington forms a company to exploit fishery and agriculture, petitions the British Government to colonise the islands.
1840: The British approve the formation of a colony on the islands.
1841: General Rosas offers to relinquish any claim to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands in return for the relief of the Argentine debt to City of London interests. The British decline the offer. Lt Governor Moody is appointed as the first British Governor of the Islands, a Letters Patent establishes the legal framework for the colony.
1843: Work begins on the new town of Port Stanley, at Jackson's Harbour. South Georgia is placed under the administration of the Falkland Islands by the Letters Patent of 1843.
1845: In July, Stanley becomes new capital of the Falkland Islands.
1846: Samuel Lafone is awarded a contract to exploit feral cattle on East Falkland. He names the peninsular south of East Falkland Lafonia.
1847: Land is made available for sale or lease in the Falkland Islands. Ship repair trade in the islands is boosted by large number of ships rounding Cape Horn en-route to the California Gold Rush.
1849: 30 married Chelsea Pensioners and their families arrive in the islands. Population in the islands reaches 200.
1850: Britain and Argentina sign the “Convention between Great Britain and the Argentine Confederation, for the Settlement of existing Differences and the re-establishment of Friendship”.
1851: Falkland Islands Company is established by Royal Charter.
1852: Cheviot sheep are first introduced to the islands. Sheep farming later becomes the dominant agriculture on the islands.
1854: A defence force is formed on the islands in response to the Crimean War.
1859: Establishment of Darwin
1861: San Carlos Farm established.
1866: Establishment of Port Howard.
1875: Establishment of Goose Green.
1876: The last Warrah is killed at Shallow Bay.
1878: The first peat slide destroys several houses in Port Stanley.
1880s: The "forest" at Hill Cove is planted.
1881: The Falkland Islands became financially independent.
1884: Argentina request that the sovereignty dispute is submitted to independent arbitration, Britain refuses. The first mention of the Falkland Islands by Argentina for 34 years.
1886: Second peat slide destroys the exchange building and two women are killed.
1892: Consecration of Christchurch Cathedral.
1899: St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church is consecrated.
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20th century
1903: Christ Church Cathedral is completed.
1914: Battle of Coronel and Battle of the Falkland Islands.
1920: Falkland Islands Defence Force is formed following the First World War
1921: The killing of fur seals is banned.
1925: The "forest" at Hill Cove is enlarged, producing the most substantial stand of trees in the islands.
1933: The famous whalebone arch is constructed outside of Christchurch Cathedral to celebrate the centenary of the British administration.
1939: Battle of the River Plate. HMS Exeter shelters in the islands after suffering major damage in the battle.
1945: Formation of the United Nations, Argentina states its claim to the islands in its opening address.
1946: Britain includes the Falkland Islands among the non-autonomous territories subject to its administration, under Chapter XI of the UN charter.[2]
1947: Britain first offers to take the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina does not accept.
1948: Britain again offers to take the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina declines.
1955: Britain unilaterally refers the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. Argentina indicates that it will not accept any judgement.
1960s: Soviet Union expands interests in Antarctica and South Shetlands, and maintains "research vessels" in the South Atlantic until the 1990s.
1960: UN Resolution 1514 (XV) calls for an end to colonisation. Britains lists the islands as a colony, Argentina protests.
1961: Antarctic Treaty comes into force, all sovereignty claims in the Antarctic region are suspended.
1962: Britain transfers administration of the South Orkney Islands, South Shetland Islands and Graham Land from the Falklands to the British Antarctic Territory.
1964: A Cessna 172 piloted by Miguel Fitzgerald lands on Stanley racecourse, plants the Argentine flag and hands over a letter claiming sovereignty to bemused residents .
1965: December United Nations Resolution 2065 called upon Britain and Argentina to "proceed without delay with negotiations [...] with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem [...] bearing in mind [...] the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Las Islas Malvinas)."
The locally upgraded Balao class submarine ARA Santiago del Estero (S-12), Argentine Naval Base at Mar del Plata, circa 1969
1966: An Aerolíneas Argentinas DC-4 hijacked by 20 terrorists calling themselves 'Condors' crash lands on Stanley race course. Islanders assuming the aircraft was in trouble rush to assist and are taken hostage. Subjected to Country and Western music for 24 hrs the terrorists surrender and are repatriated to Argentina. Argentine tactical divers are landed by submarine ARA Santiago del Estero to conduct covert reconnaissance of suitable landing sites.
1967: Britain opens negotiations with Argentina and indicates willingness to transfer sovereignty.
1968: Falkland Islands Emergency Committee is formed to lobby on the Islanders behalf to remain British. A small private plane piloted by Miguel Fitzgerald crash lands on Eliza Cove Road during the visit of Lord Chalfont. Islanders reiterate their determination to remain British and reject suggestions of sovereignty transfer.
1970: SS Great Britain is returned to Bristol for restoration.
1971: Communications agreement signed between Britain and Argentina. Air links to the islands are established by LADE, Argentina's military airline, Britain promises a supply ship from Montevideo but later reneges. Islanders travelling through Argentina are forced to carry Argentine Identity Cards rather than a British passport. Argentine Government agrees to suspend sovereignty claims whilst attempting to win the islanders over.
Launch of the SS Great Britain, the revolutionary ship of Isambard Kingdom Brunel, at Bristol in 1843
1972: Work starts on a temporary airfield at Port Stanley.
Launch of the SS Great Britain, the revolutionary ship of Isambard Kingdom Brunel, at Bristol in 1843
1973: Newly elected President Juan Perón renews sovereignty claim in the UN, resolution 3160 urges negotiations but Britain refuses.
1974: YPF becomes the exclusive supplier of oil and gas company to the islands. Britain proposes a condominium solution to the sovereignty dispute but this is rejected by the islanders.
1975: Construction of a paved runway at Port Stanley commences. Lord Shackleton is asked to undertake an economic survey of the islands. Diplomatic relations between the UK and Argentina are broken.
1976: RRS Shackleton is fired upon by the Argentine destroyer ARA Almirante Storni during Lord Shackleton's mission. Argentina establishes a military base on Southern Thule. Britain protests but seeks a diplomatic solution.
1977: Operation Journeyman: in response to increasing tension with Argentina, the Callaghan Government sends a Royal Navy task force to the South Atlantic. Negotiations are re-opened with Argentina over the islands. Stanley airport opens.
1978: Falkland Islands Association opens a London office to lobby Parliament on the islanders behalf.
1979: Nicholas Ridley visits the Falkland Islands to canvass islanders views.
1980: Nicholas Ridley proposes leaseback solution, it is rejected by the islanders.
1981: British Nationality Act strips many islanders of British citizenship. It is announced that HMS Endurance is to be withdrawn and the British Antarctic Survey base in Grytviken is to close. Argentine scrap dealer Constantino Davidoff visits South Georgia without permission, setting of a chain of events resulting in the Falklands War
1982: Various tensions, but mainly the desire of the Argentine military junta to distract attention from domestic economic and political ills, led to an Argentine invasion. The islands were later retaken by the UK. (See Falklands War.) In November, the United Nations General Assembly called on the UK and Argentina to resume sovereignty negotiations, but the UK refuses to discuss sovereignty unless it has the consent of the Islanders. An updated Shackleton report on the economic prospects for the islands is published following the conflict.
1983: Franks Report into the causes of the Falklands War is published. British citizenship is restored to the islanders.
1984: Britain and Argentina enter into talks in Berne, Britain refuses to discuss sovereignty without the consent of the islanders. The Falklands war memorial is dedicated on Liberation Day (June 14).
1985: New Falkland Islands constitution is adopted. The Falkland Islands become a parliamentary representative democratic dependency. Falkland Islands Government
RAF Mount Pleasant
assumes responsibility for all domestic matters. Mount Pleasant Airfield opens.
RAF Mount Pleasant
1986: UN adopts an Argentine resolution calling for Britain to resume negotiations including sovereignty.
1987: Establishment of the Falkland Islands Fishery regime, this becomes the major source of income for the islands.
1989: Newly elected Argentine president Carlos Menem embarks on talks with Britain under the sovereignty umbrella.
1990: Britain and Argentina resume diplomatic relations. A Chilean airline begins charter flights to Mount Pleasant Airfield.
1991: Argentine next of kin visit the Argentine cemetery in Darwin.
1994: Argentina enshrines its claim to the Falkland Islands in its constitution.
1995: British and Argentine Governments sign an agreement concerning exploitation of oil deposits surrounding the islands. The Argentine warship ARA Granville harasses fishing vessels in Falkland Waters and threatens RFA Diligence. Regular visits by Argentine next of kin commences.
1997: Constitutional amendment balances the number of elected officials between Stanley and Camp.
1998: UK arms embargo on sales to Argentina is relaxed.
1999: The Chilean government requests that its airlines stop flying to the Falklands in response to the arrest of Augusto Pinochet in London,[3][4] prompting the Falkland Islanders to allow the British Government to enter negotiations with Argentina. An agreement between the British and Argentine Governments ends the ban on visits by Argentine nationals. Passenger flights over Argentine airspace are permitted in return.
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21st century
ARA Almirante Irízar (Q5) Antarctic icebreaker
2000: British Antarctic Survey base at Grytviken, South Georgia reopened.
ARA Almirante Irízar (Q5) Antarctic icebreaker
2001: British military garrison is withdrawn from South Georgia.
2002: First SAMA 82 pilgrimage to the islands. 200 British veterans of the conflict return to the islands.
2003: Several yachts competing in a solo round the world race are forced into Stanley for repairs.
2004: A permanent memorial to Argentine war dead is dedicated in Darwin. Argentine icebreaker Almirante Irízar harasses shipping in Falkland waters.[5]
2005: Falklands Gold and Minerals prospect for Gold in Lafonia
2007: 25th Anniversary of the Falklands War is commemorated in services in Stanley and London. Argentine president Néstor Kirchner renews sovereignty claim and renounces agreements over oil exploration. UK renews claims to Antarctic territory before the expiry of the deadline for territorial claims following Britains ratification of the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention. Major General Sir John Jeremy Moore, commander of the British land forces during the Falklands War, dies.
2008: The British Government announces that it is considering action on clearing the 20,000 mines left in the islands by Argentine forces during the Falklands War in 1982. Remains of an Argentine airman killed during the Falklands War were identified using DNA testing, the remains had been unidentified since discovery in 1986.[6]
2009: Preliminary clearance of some of the mine fields left over from the Falklands War begins. Argentina creates a diplomatic incident over the presence of Falkland Islands Government representatives at a conference on sustainable fishing in Spain.[7] After years of delay, the Argentine memorial at the Darwin cemetery was finally inaugurated.[8] Argentina submitted a claim for large areas of the South Atlantic, including the Falkland Islands, under the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention.[9]
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So I say the French, then Spanish, then English, and finally Dutch visited the islands before Argentina even existed. It appears Argentina's claim is based only on proximity, the historical connection is weaker than the other countries.
.Pixote. said:
in a pragmatic sense, it actually should be that simple.
the pity is, once a nation has gotten its "mind" onto an idea, its almost impossible to back down from this, for any reason at all, as this would show weakness.
which is the same reason tiny little norway is acting the tough guy vs gigantic russia, concerning demarcation of the barents sea.
when it comes to territorial claims, once established, a nation will never back down.
i think (but im not sure) the republic of china just recently retracted its claims for mongolia, as the only example i can think of at the moment.
Gonzalez said:
Oh, we have bigger plans than the insignificant oil reserves *around* the islands. They are merely a strong point in our Blue-water net that supports our Antarctic claim. The fun begins when the Antarctic treaty expires. Time to drill!
"BP, we no longer fuck the planet - we BP it!"
Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
.Pixote. said:
Did you even bother to read all I wrote during this time? Let me summarize only the important points for you with irrefutable facts that no interpretation of history has been able to invalidate and prove otherwise.
1- They belonged to the "Virreinato del Rio de la Plata" and whenever any other country tried to illegally set foot in them (including the british) Spain protested and kicked them out. Also maintained different garrisons and was the last to have a garrison in the island until Argentina did.
2- Argentina is comprised of the territories of the "Virreinato del Rio de la Plata" who became independent from Spain. This of course includes the Malvinas.
3- Argentina started a settlement there and britain took over the territory by force during peacetime without provocation after agreements of commerce and friendship were signed and after formally recognizing Argentina as a country.
I fail to see how those arguments are weak.
Yoshi525 said:
And this is why we want them the heck out of there. They obviously have their eyes on the entire South Atlantic, the Antartida and whatever part of South America it would be profitable for them to get their hands on.
They invaded Buenos Aires twice already, and just to steal all and any silver they could find there. They would invade and steal what's ours again if we let them. That's why we have to be strong in our claims, because today is the Malvinas and if we let them do as they please then tomorrow who knows what else. They are still the same greedy pirates and invaders they always were.
Also, you really think they are interested in the "Falklands" independence? They're not, and if the islanders one day decided to be independent they would try to find a way to stop it. They kicked out the 2000 native inhabitants of island Diego Garcia, loyal subjects of the queen back in the 60's to sell the island to the US as a military base and when in 2004 their own supreme court dictaminated it was illegal and the islanders should be returned their land they came up with some sort of bogus "independent report" as an excuse that they wouldn't be able to survive there so they were unable to return them.
EDIT: Personally, and this is a personal opinion, I guess I wouldn't mind if the people in the islands were to in fact become fully independent, and became our new south american neighbors. My problem is with them being under direct control from the UK.
As long as they remain under direct british control and their "local" government has nothing local about it and is nothing but the de facto representation of the british government on the islands I will oppose to it.
TheGM
The voice of reason
Gonzalez said:
Yeah and it was HILARIOUS!
I guess when you make up your own history, you can make up the facts too. How Texan of you.
And then there was the time they didn't and it wasn't theirs anymore. But never yours....but hey, it is kinda close.
But you aren't "Virreinato del Rio de la Plata" since they ceased the second those people decided to caste off the yoke of foreign tyranny for homegrown tyranny!
Now that I think about it, all the colonies(looking at you Canada!)that didn't follow the other 13 should belong to America because 1: they are closer then us then them and 2: We were all part of British North America and we should become America North America!
four Hobos and a penal colony on some other dude's lawn is rude.
I dunno man, they make me laugh.
Do you think they want to steal your moring paper too?
Trying to take something that doesn't belong to them! THAT IS WRONG!! yet sounds familer....like i've read about it just moments ago.
Meh.
YES! then they wouldn't be able to put up much of a fight. Great idea!
Stupid Commonwealth telling the Commonwealth what to do.
Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
You talk like you knew what you were talking about but the fact you say what you say proves you didn't understand a thing.
Making up our own history? Our claims are supported by evidence from US, french, spanish and even british sources.
You saying Argentina was not comprised of the "Virreynato del Rio de la Plata" and/or arguing that their territories do not belong to the new independent government shows a complete ignorance of history on the matter.
Argentina does not makes up history or international laws, it abides by them, and that is where your argument fails from the very beginning.
They are not part of the commonwealth, like say, Australia. They are a colony, with the exact same government structure as in colonial times, with a de facto governor the islanders don't elect. So as long as it remains that way they can't talk about self determination. They are part of the UN agenda for decolonization and the UN insists on the matter, and there are even UN rulings urging the UK to expedite the decolonization of the Malvinas. So it is the UK who ignores international ruling and does whatever they please.
Things like "meh, their settlement was a bunch of hobos and penal colony" not only means you use personal opinion and interpretation to validate your arguments, it also evidences your inability to change any of the facts that validate the argentine claim.
EDIT:
Another silly assumption. They could be under UN protection if they were worried about argentine attack, the UK could volunteer to guarantee their independence if they wanted, all they have to do is give their troops there blue helmet covers and UN insignias and that's how easily they become a peacekeeping force. It would even be much more difficult for argentina to attack as attacking UN peacekeeping forces could lead to expulsion from the UN and immediate international repercussions, instead of it just being a bilateral conflict as it is today.
Making up our own history? Our claims are supported by evidence from US, french, spanish and even british sources.
You saying Argentina was not comprised of the "Virreynato del Rio de la Plata" and/or arguing that their territories do not belong to the new independent government shows a complete ignorance of history on the matter.
Argentina does not makes up history or international laws, it abides by them, and that is where your argument fails from the very beginning.
They are not part of the commonwealth, like say, Australia. They are a colony, with the exact same government structure as in colonial times, with a de facto governor the islanders don't elect. So as long as it remains that way they can't talk about self determination. They are part of the UN agenda for decolonization and the UN insists on the matter, and there are even UN rulings urging the UK to expedite the decolonization of the Malvinas. So it is the UK who ignores international ruling and does whatever they please.
Things like "meh, their settlement was a bunch of hobos and penal colony" not only means you use personal opinion and interpretation to validate your arguments, it also evidences your inability to change any of the facts that validate the argentine claim.
EDIT:
TheGM said:
Another silly assumption. They could be under UN protection if they were worried about argentine attack, the UK could volunteer to guarantee their independence if they wanted, all they have to do is give their troops there blue helmet covers and UN insignias and that's how easily they become a peacekeeping force. It would even be much more difficult for argentina to attack as attacking UN peacekeeping forces could lead to expulsion from the UN and immediate international repercussions, instead of it just being a bilateral conflict as it is today.
TheGM
The voice of reason
And this is why I support Argentinians right to be funny as all hell. Their claims are loony, their facts aren't there, but dog-gone it they believe it to be true!
Shine on you Crazy diamonds, shine on!
and that part about having the UN do stuff knowing that if Agintinia invaded the UN would never do any thing because they never do anything and all that oil would be yours while saying we no wants the oils.....simply masterful.
I tip my tin foil hat to you on that one.
Shine on you Crazy diamonds, shine on!
and that part about having the UN do stuff knowing that if Agintinia invaded the UN would never do any thing because they never do anything and all that oil would be yours while saying we no wants the oils.....simply masterful.
I tip my tin foil hat to you on that one.
El Pagano Loco
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Falklands belong to Argentina. Anyone who claims otherwise while actually having a clue about the whole issue is simply downright retarded.
El Pagano Loco said:
No the Falklands belong to who ever controls them, and with 200 years to settle in, the Pommies aren't going anywhere...by the way I'm not British, nor do I care for the Falklands - just saying. But this idea of right and wrong when it comes to history is very rubbery at best. Ask the Hawaiians.
El Pagano Loco
It Wandered In From the Wastes
.Pixote. said:
It's all fun n' games until Na Kupuna Na'auao comes true. Fear the trembling earth Amerookah.
I see. So if you are not with me then you are my enemy? Either you are wrong or I am right!El Pagano Loco said:
That kind of logic rarely if ever works.
El Pagano Loco
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Crni Vuk said:
Why so?
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