Fallout 3. Is it really so bad?

Malakhar said:
If you want an IP to survive in today's market, you have to care for it's success. Developers are competing not only with each other, but also piracy. This does not mean you should like or dislike anything based on commercial success. It does not even mean you should accept the changes to an IP that you enjoy. What it does mean is that you should expect those changes and AT LEAST wait until you have demoed the media (be it music, games, or even movies) before you decide to pass judgment on it or the developer behind it. . Having an educated negative opinion is one thing, having an ignorant one is another. That said, and no offense intended, all I have seen THUS FAR is ignorant opinions.
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That..doesn't address any of my points in the slightest.
If the IP needs to be changed so that I don't like it anymore before it is viable, why should I like it?

Also, ignorant these opinions are not. We've seen a ton of gameplay footage and interviews.
Malakhar said:
The unfortunate fact of the matter is that this has become the norm with many game communities. I find it to be tiresome and frustrating to those of us who take a more progressive view of gaming. Honestly, I am not capable of creating anything (game or otherwise) of the caliber of what we are offered today. I doubt many (if any at all) of the antagonists in the community are either. That said, who are we to determine what direction an IP takes? What right do we have to tell people who have worked on a title for 4 years on what direction they should have taken with an IP that they own the rights to? I have no investment, in time or money. Do any of you? I would say probably not. Great games are a privilege.
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Games aren't a privilege, they're a product that people pay money for.

Also, what the fuck, did you just argue that we're not allowed to have any negative opinions about games because someone paid money to make said game? What the hell kind of twisted logic is that?
Malakhar said:
As to the change is different from evolution... How many times have you seen a review chide a title for just being "more of the same"?
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Again, change for the sake of change is not the same of evolution.
They could change it to pinball and still call it evolution.

Malakhar said:
If you look a bit deeper into the way the VATS system is used you will find that it incorporates that 'pen and paper' stat usage from the previous games. It may not be exactly the same, or what people expect, but it is there.
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Paused aiming is nothing, and I really mean nothing, like a tactical turn-based combat engine.
 
I personally think you all are taking this far too seriously, enjoy the game for what it is, if it isn't what you want out of a fallout title then don't buy it, and the notion that its total shit just because it isn't the same as the first two is totally absurd, you judge everything based on its content, not based on the prior iterations content. Nitpicking at every little detail is going to leave you unfulfilled for the rest of time, move on with your lives. I am personally a HUGE fan of the first 2 fallout titles, but that is no grounds to hate this one, because it is a damn good game, it isn't the same as the first two, but it's still a damn good game NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU CRY ABOUT IT. These smaller than small details that nobody outside of your little niche care about are stopping you from enjoying a very good game, regardless of the previous iterations... and you all seem to have lost touch with that, making yourselves seem like radicals when in fact you are just faithful fans of a great game series.
 
Kajidourden said:
I personally think you all are taking this far too seriously, enjoy the game for what it is
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I can't bring myself to enjoy shit for being shit.

Kajidourden said:
if it isn't what you want out of a fallout title then don't buy it
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I plan on it.

Kajidourden said:
and the notion that its total shit just because it isn't the same as the first two is totally absurd,
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The notion that it's nothing like its predecessors isn't.

Kajidourden said:
you judge everything based on its content, not based on the prior iterations content.
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A sequel shouldn't be judged based on previous titles? Holy shit.

Kajidourden said:
Nitpicking at every little detail is going to leave you unfulfilled for the rest of time, move on with your lives.
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Completely different gameplay mechanics and utterly raped canon aren't little details.

Kajidourden said:
it's still a damn good game
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[citation needed] You must not have paid attention to any gameplay videos.

Kajidourden said:
These smaller than small details that nobody outside of your little niche care about are stopping you from enjoying a very good game, regardless of the previous iterations... and you all seem to have lost touch with that, making yourselves seem like radicals when in fact you are just faithful fans of a great game series.
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Those who dislike it dislike it for their own reasons, many of them quite valid. Pull your head out of your ass and deal with it, because that's how it is...
Kajidourden said:
NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU CRY ABOUT IT.
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What I don't understand are purists who rag on Fallout 2 for "straying from the feel of the original." Was its storyline really that different from the first? Did the original even have such an elaborately-crafted universe that the sequel, which improved upon the first game in any way (it was by no means a Deus Ex: IW or a homeworld 2), was deficient? The first game didn't even have the Enclave!

Anyways I'm betting those purists couldn't possibly be won over to FO 3 in any way, so that discussion's moot.
 
Fallout 2 was just more of a light hearted take on things. The original took the setting much more seriously and it shows. I think both are excellent but there is a noticeable difference in the narrative.

I fail to see how the Enclave was an awesome edition though. In my eyes, the master was a far superior antagonist.
 
Surviving national gov't + satire of American hawishness + powered armor + Ospreys = cool villainous faction
 
I just found them a cliche choice. Shadow government agency that wants to destroy X for there own purposes.
 
I believe that this game should NOT be called 'FALLOUT 3', (Did they call "Brotherhood of Steel" Fallout 3? No, they weren't greedy) - its just Fallout Shooter (or Shooter in Fallout world).

Its all about $$$$. You cant market IP RPGs anymore, not in this world full of consoles. Its not about making good game anymore - its about selling it, Its all about profit.


If you are FPS fun - enjoy the game, if not..
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Look, sure it's pretentious to have the number to make it seem like it's part of the original series, but does it really matter? Deus Ex: Invisible War is still Deus Ex. Even if Fallout: Recon was a spinoff series to many it would still be FO 3 considering how long the franchise has been dormant. Everyone on NMA who hates it would still hate it.
 
pm987 said:
I believe that this game should NOT be called 'FALLOUT 3'
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Many feel the same way. I wouldn't like the game any more if it were properly named as a spin-off, but neither would I have quite as much contempt for it.
 
If F3 was a spin off, then there would still be a chance for a F3 that is true to the originals.
Now, with what Beth has done to Fallout, the chances are nil that there will be a turn based, isometric, Fallout game that is chock full of C&C, dark humor, irony, and unforgettable characters.
 
I played during 2 hours and I already want to cut my wrist open.

- Bad graphics (and bad animations, especially walking in third person, and death scenes)

- VATS can be quite nice, but you can use it so often and so easily that you can kill anyone with 3-4 bullet straight in the head at close distance. (firing in real time doesn't use VATS points btw, so you can shoot at the guy, and then finish him with your fully loaded VATS points, no comment)

- The outside is just like that mediocre Far Cry 2's jungle. It's full of people who shoot first, and ask questions later. I mean, come on, I know it's post-apocalyptic. But really, do I have to kill so many punks just for the fun of it? Where are the dialogues?

- I don't even want to talk about the beginning of the game. You play as a baby, and you celebrate his 10 years old in the most childish way.

I'd have many more complaints, but well, I won't waste my time talking about this game. It's really Oblivion with guns. But I start to think that Oblivion was way better and less boring.

So totally disappointed.
 
How is the game compared to Deus Ex? I know its not going to be like FO1 or FO2, but if its a decent FPS/RPG ala Dues Ex with a Post Apocalyptic setting I can enjoy it , not as Fallout, but Deus Ex with a PA mod.

Granted I hate Oblivion, but I hate Fantasy settings in general.
 
Against my better judgement I decided to give Fallout 3 a shot and bought it today. I'm about 5 hours in and I have formed two opinions of the game so far. As a Fallout fan (Been playing since the original demo game on a PC Gamer disc) I feel the game as a Fallout game fails in keeping with the spirit of the original games. The first thing that popped out was the music at the start screen. Instead of being influenced by Aphex Twins Selected Ambient Works 2 like the original were it seems to have a more "Epic" score that really doesn't have the feel of the original soundtracks.

Another problem I found right away was the depressing feeling that you get right at the beginning of the original games are gone. Things are so happy at the beginning of the game. It just felt forced. The random attacks at the beginning of the game [/spoiler]Especially by the vault police
are completely unnecessary and feel way to twitchy.

As a gamer, when I first loaded it up I really tried to appreciate it like a new IP instead of as a Fallout fan and I still felt disappointed. The real time shooting engine is really poor. it doesnt feel like your ever actually hitting a target in real time. They show no reaction to being hit with bullets. The dialog is dreadful and forced. Just watch the opening cinema and you'll know what Im talking about ("As fire rained from the sky" way to cheesy).

Hopefully as I get more into the game Ill grow into it more. I really think the first 2 fallouts started really slow and I hope this one opens up as it goes. My gut instinct though is telling me it wont. I hope Bethesda actually tries to rush Fallout 4 by pulling a bioware and hiring obsidian (or any other post Black Isle company) to make it.
 
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