Fallout 4 Creation Club is now live

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Kilus, Aug 28, 2017.

  1. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Agreed.

    Textures are...Rather easy to make... DX

    'member when you used to unlock skins and stuff by playing the game?

    ZenoGuy 'members.
     
  2. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Remember when companies used to release whole maps just for the lulz? Unreal Tournament remembers. They also used to hand out content worth 1 million dollars + access to the licence of their engine in a moding contest.

    I always have to laugh when people try to explain how exceptional and supportive Bethesda is to moding and moders. Like really? Or is it just that games have reached such a low point, where offering the bare minimum is already seen as 'great' mod support. Besides, I also know there are a ton of moders that are rather less happy about Bethesda, since even Skyrim has bugs and issues plaguing the engine, that havn't been fixed since Morrowind. Stuff the gamer doesn't notice so much, but that really makes moding a bitch.
     
  3. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    ;(

    You make me sad.

    I remember AVP2, all the new maps added and shit.

    I think modding has become very...Iffy. More and more games are using Denuvo, which doesn't stop pirates, but also ruins the performance of games, and makes them hard as shit to mod, if at all.

    If there's one thing I can say Bethesda is nice for, its at least letting people mod the game!

    Abeit they plagiarise the mods, sell them as DLC, etc.

    Yey.
     
  4. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

    858
    Apr 22, 2016
    DRM and other anti hack attempts typically only hurt those who paid for the game. However some developers in the past have identified a rather interesting way to circumvent these issues. Take Serious Sam and the immortal scorpion for example. If enough effort is put into the game from the developers DRM isn't even required as they can easily identify what version are pirated and program in a "feature" to make playing that version not worth it.

    DRM is literally the lazy example, while it has been around for ages some developers formed it into a story building experience that could shed light on the lore or background of a scenario. Remember Kings Quest? The DRM always had some interesting puzzle or story behind it. Fans of the series treated it just like another one of the puzzles inside of the game which prevented the overt DRM from actually hurting the legal customer. It also gave players an additional puzzle to solve which is literally the point of the game.

    But the lazy DRM of today is hard pressed to defeat pirates now because they keep using the same tricks over and over again.

    My perspective is this; if you for some reason require DRM in your game, develop it into the game as a interesting side mechanic that will not directly reduce the game play. Have the player experience it once, then let them move on without the DRM constantly "checking" the same legal copy for issues. Let customer play and enjoy the game, don't punish them for doing so legally. If your smart you can find a way to implement it without the player even knowing its DRM, or that there is even DRM in the game at all.
     
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  5. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Yeah, the scorpion is rather amusing. ;D

    Although, like everything else, it was 'broke' by pirates, you really can't stop such dedicated people and their crusade.

    Serious sam is an awesome series though, own all the games apart from 3, might buy it in the future.
    IMO, DRM will simply never work, better to put that effort into the actual game, better the game, less pirates, simple as that.

    Witcher 3, although I don't personally like it, too 'simple', is a nice game, with nice developers, game sold like sliced bread.
     
  6. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

    858
    Apr 22, 2016
    I understand your perspective @ThatZenoGuy , however I feel like this topic of piracy would be better served in a separate thread. I do not wish to derail this thread any further.
     
  7. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    True, a thread about DRM, modding etc, should be made.

    Although Fallout 4 dropped the ball with modding, no?
     
  8. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

    858
    Apr 22, 2016
    So as of today 9/5/2017 the recent Steam reviews of Fallout 4 are overwhelmingly negative, and from what I can tell the number of upset customer are growing steadily.

    Who knows, maybe additional users will get involved and submit additional ratings?
     
  9. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    Little bird.jpg
     
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  10. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    You know what would be awesome, if moderst take every mod that is released on CC, making their own improved version of it and throwing it on the Nexus.
     
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  11. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

    858
    Apr 22, 2016
    That's actually a darn good idea, I strongly suggest posting that on the nexus or in a steam review. I promise you someone will see it and run with it.
     
  12. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Just rip the CC files out and upload them.

    Massive chortles!
     
  13. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I would advice against that. Not only would you eventually get in to legal trouble, but it would also kinda piss Bethesda more off if people actually did everything on their own.
     
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  14. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    >Insert behind seven proxies meme here.

    I mean...They can tell you to 'stop', but then just get more people to do it, they can't stop EVERYONE! ;D
     
  15. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    But that's not the point ... like not at all.
     
  16. a721402

    a721402 Played FPS for decades still suck at it.

    715
    Mar 29, 2016
     
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  17. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Oh i know! It's cheeky, blatantly illegal.

    The bloody sods gave us the files though! How incompetent!
     
  18. Ediros

    Ediros Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    859
    Feb 4, 2016
    They also removed Skyrim vanilla from search results. Special edition 40$, vanilla 16$ or something like that.

    Greedthesda strikes again. I hope people will downvote it like crazy.
     
  19. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

    587
    Jan 19, 2016
    I haven't seen a buy creation club credits button in the Steam page for Skyrim. Also, aren't those things already in the game?
     
  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    No, I mean you don't get it. THe point is not to do something illegal here, that Bethesda will not care about anyway - besides they can still tell the Nexus to remove the files and they will have to comply.

    The point is to give Bethesda the middle finger in saying, look we can do it 10 times better and for free and you can do jack shit about it. And to achieve that, you have to do it legaly.