Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Well, in regards to Piper, I can! She's fucking annoying. The end.
Fallout 4 gameplay videos leaked, Bethesda starts taking them down
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Battlecross
Banned
Yeah... Quite the double standard there Jimmy Boy.What with all this talk about the "misrepresentation of women" in video games(WTF does that even mean? Its just a game for crying out load!) which I know Jimbo prattles on about sometimes he says something like this. Female character in sexy clothing, BAD! Boning multiple romance partners and going into a polygamous relationship, GOOD!
Wut? How is allowing women to be in polygamous relationships when they presumably have the agency to choose, bad?
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
Yeah... Quite the double standard there Jimmy Boy.
Wut? How is allowing women to be in polygamous relationships when they presumably have the agency to choose, bad?
Many feminist do not take kindly to polygamy. They believe that it devalues women, making her be replaceable in the eyes of her husband and allowing the man to treat women as a commodity. Something that is easy to replace as well as forcing her to compete for her mans attention with his other wives. Why do you think feminist despise the Mormon Church?
PossibleCabbage
Vault 22 Survivor
Like most things, when everyone involved is informed and consents to whatever it is, it's fine.
Battlecross
Banned
Yeah... Quite the double standard there Jimmy Boy.
Wut? How is allowing women to be in polygamous relationships when they presumably have the agency to choose, bad?
Many feminist do not take kindly to polygamy. They believe that it devalues women. Making her be replaceable in the eyes of her husband and allowing the man to treat women as a commodity. Something that is easy to replace as well as forcing her to compete for her mans attention with his other wives. Why do you think feminist despise the Mormon Church?
All feminists aren't the same though, if a woman wants to be in a relationship like that it's their choice. What Jim said is perfectly in like with what he would normal say.
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
To be fair there is such a thing as nuance. One can be against one thing and not the other without it being a double standard. It's two completely separate issues. Polygamous depictions and female characterizations in general are not the same thing and one can hold differing opinions on the two.
Yeah... Quite the double standard there Jimmy Boy.
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And just to make this clear, I'm not "siding" with Jim on the whole SJW crap. And while I am open for polygamous relationships and I don't agree with his assessment of its depiction in Fallout 4 either.
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Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Removing all consequence and agency from your potential romantic partners and just turnning them into sex dolls. Isn'tthat what Feminists are usually against? Because is not like there is a storyline with them and you agreeing to a polyamori relationship, you just fill their "romance bars" until they want to fuck you and then you move onto the next one.
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
Shit at lest the romances in Mass Effect had some consequences. You cheat on your partner and they won't be happy and you were then given a choice to patch up your Shepherds relationship with their partner or end it and pursue another. Beth was just lazy with theirs.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Aren't these the same people that always rage against those Japanese Harem dating sims?
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Yeah that's the part I disagree with him strongly. I get if there was a society where it was a cultural norm for people to engage in polygamy if they so choose but to simply not mention it at all is just flat out lazy writing. Not every companion should be okay with it and characters should point it out occasionally. Hell, depending on who you try it with there may even be dire consequences. To just go "everyone polygamous!" is lazy writing.
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Oh and just remember guys and gals, you don't like being generalized any more than others do. Just cause Jimmy-O has some SJW views does not mean that he belongs to the borg collective. For example, there are hardcore feminists that are for sexual liberation that love the depiction of female characters in games like Dead Alive and there are hardcore feminists that basically want women to wear burkas.
Don't lump Jim into some broad vague category. If you're going to judge him then judge 'his' views, not the "SJW Agenda" or some shit like that. There is plenty of shit to judge Jim on without generalizing him. In fact, generalizing him is just as lazy as the writing Bethesda did here.
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Oh and just remember guys and gals, you don't like being generalized any more than others do. Just cause Jimmy-O has some SJW views does not mean that he belongs to the borg collective. For example, there are hardcore feminists that are for sexual liberation that love the depiction of female characters in games like Dead Alive and there are hardcore feminists that basically want women to wear burkas.
Don't lump Jim into some broad vague category. If you're going to judge him then judge 'his' views, not the "SJW Agenda" or some shit like that. There is plenty of shit to judge Jim on without generalizing him. In fact, generalizing him is just as lazy as the writing Bethesda did here.
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Yeah... Quite the double standard there Jimmy Boy.
Wut? How is allowing women to be in polygamous relationships when they presumably have the agency to choose, bad?
If they are writen as characters that have no problem with it? Sure. Why not. Anything that gives characters more diversity is a good thing in my book. But I would say that most people don't take relationships with several partners ... very well. Particularly if they are kinda in the same group.
So if all characters allow everything without ever runing in to problems, it makes the world around you feel like plastic. Something that can give a lot of depth to a game is interaction between companions, their interaction between each other and their interaction with the player, up to a point where a conversation can even go in a direction where the companions completely refuse to follow the player or outright attack him or his other companions. Sometimes those things even happen in real live. Relationships can get pretty violent sometimes.
It is something that made games like Baldurs Gate or Jagged Alliance pretty interesting. And it is also something that gave Fallout Vegas depth, you didn't had any real relationships there - not on the level like in Bioware games - but if you performed to many actions where your companions disagreed, they would eventually leave you. And they also had an opinion to some of the stuff in the game, like the Legion, the NCR and so on. In general, they had a backstory and havn't been for the most part not simply moving dress up dolls.
Bethesda, out of fear to aggarvate their players, would probably never do something like that, the player can go from saviour of the wasteland to a genocidal psychopath on a whim, and it would most probably not bother your companions outside of a few comments, maybe.
I can only speculate how deep and complex the companions will be in Fallout 4 ... but something tells me they will not display more depth than what we have seen in Skyrim - in othe words, none. It took a couple of mods to give you REAL companions in Skyrim ... the kind of companions that have actually a personality to them, something interesting to say, or even something like a backstory to explore.
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
It's like making all romancable options bisexual out of fear of alienating people who want their character to bone X regardless of chosen gender for the player character.
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Devil's Advocate time; In Oblivion and Skyrim, they had too many characters though. In Fallout 3 they did not, so characters were often times more fleshed out than any TES counter-part. So since Fallout 4 has less companions than Skyrim, maybe they 'will' have more of a personality. Only way to really know this is to exhaust a companions friend/enemy level and see all their dialogue.
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Devil's Advocate time; In Oblivion and Skyrim, they had too many characters though. In Fallout 3 they did not, so characters were often times more fleshed out than any TES counter-part. So since Fallout 4 has less companions than Skyrim, maybe they 'will' have more of a personality. Only way to really know this is to exhaust a companions friend/enemy level and see all their dialogue.
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Battlecross
Banned
Methinks people don't understand what they're talking about when they mention feminism. I've actually heard people complain they're TOO open and okay with stuff like that. Now it's the opposite? Huh?
FearMonkey
Vault Senior Citizen
IGN posted the first 20 minutes in direct-feed 1080p.
They also say it's in 60fps, but since the game runs at 30fps, I don't think that means much.
They also say it's in 60fps, but since the game runs at 30fps, I don't think that means much.
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Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Feminists have long since splintered into dozens if not hundreds of groups all going by the same label of "feminism" but working towards --sometimes vastly-- different goals.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
The issue here is more on how flimsy and double faced Sterling's positions are. He will complain about Dildo weapons in SR3 and skimpy clothes in every other game, but he is praising what is just plain laziness as Progressinve here.
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
Exactly! In a post-apocalyptic society I would believe that some new factions or tribals would be okay with or even practice polygamy since the laws of the old world no longer apply anymore. While some NPC will be okay with it most of those from more civilized places will not be and probably look down on the practice. This would have added more lore into Fallout but Bethesda, not wanting to offend anybody and as well as pander to everybody, played it safe by making everyone be okay with it. There was many possibilities with this such as exploring human nature and opening up debate whether this was right or wrong. You know the types of things that make Fallout stand out and memorable? Then again stuff like that would offend people and we can't have that. We need to make the game be as unoffensive as possible in order to get the maximum audience and profit.
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Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Wait, he complained about dildo weapons in SR3? I remember him having a huge dildo in his first minute of babbling and having quite a lot of fun wiggling it around.
Willy Rogers
Nothing better to do.
I'd ignore to save your sanity if I were you. It's all on the internet, I walk out on the street and meet other gamers, real people who see real life and they couldn't care less. On the internet however, they try to make it seem like a battle for society itself, while in reality people do not give a fuck about petty shit, which is why these people are on the internet in the first place.
Yeah... Quite the double standard there Jimmy Boy.
Bubba Zanetti
I know what I'm doing
Less to do with female/gender representation or whatever... it's just something--anything--he can use to excuse what is clearly a shitty design.