Fallout 4 gameplay videos leaked, Bethesda starts taking them down

Or else you end up a mess of plot holes and nonsense like Bioshlock Infinite.

What plot holes specially in Bioshock Infinite?
The arbitrary way interdimensional travel works, with it combining people with the version of that universe when it's convinient to dump exposition, but then the Lettuces and Comstock Booker being able to coexist simultaneously.

How did they build the "Syphon" to keep Elizabeth's powers in check exactly? What does it do exactly and how did they know they could build it?

How did Comstock build the Ghost Sub Woofers? What do they do exactly?

Why did Old Elizabeth take Booker from the past instead of just taking her younger self?

Why didn't Booker just cover his hand after seeing that he had the mark of the false prophet?

Why where there vigors in the city at all if nobody used them, they would run contrary to the whole puritan thing Columbia had going on and the source of the Plasmids is so rare and at the bottom of the Ocean?

What was even the point of songbird? It's never even explained what it is, you don't fight it as a boss and he gets killed off in a very off handedly fashion.

Why did they even go to Rapture?
How did the Batisphere work for Booker if those are Gene locked?

How does Columbia even work? People should need breathing equipment to survive so high up, it should logically be extremely cold so no green pastures should be possible at all....

What was even the whole point of the "retrieve the weapons" section? After the first dimension hop they have literally made it redundant and on the third one

The ending wouldn't work at all for what Elizabeth is supposedly trying to accomplish (erasing Comstock from all realities or something) and in fact is actually pretty shitty an ending because it sidesteps what the story has been escalating just to undo it with time travel, Which is also pretty unrewarding because the player has no idea how the world outside of Columbia even is like.


Burial at sea then implies that the whole plot was a set up for the plot of the first game, but it requires such a huge amount of retcons and convoluted situations to accomplish something that could've just been Atlas stealing a piece of paper of screen....

More on that here:


Just going to number because it's easier:

1. It's not really arbitrary (insofar as it's all made up and theoretical), and the Lutece twins were dead which allowed them to go anywhere.

2. The Lutece twins build it: "The Siphon is the device specifically designed by Chief Scientists Rosalind and Robert Lutece to limit the extent of Elizabeth's powers, acting as an inhibitor to keep her under control. There are multiple functioning Siphons in Columbia, found in certain locations that Booker DeWitt and Elizabeth go through over the course of the game."

3. See 2, same thing and the other ones can project her power that's stored by the Siphon.

4. Elizabeth was already outside the realities and ending Booker meant Comstock never came to be anywhere. Easier solution, taking her younger self really doesn't do much but rob Comstock of taking her but he still exists.

5. They already knew who he was, there was no point in hiding his hand.

6. People did use them, more should have but that seems like something they skimped on. Firemen, crow guys, etc.

7. The point of Songbird is well explained as he is Elizabeth's protector and jailor essentially. He was underused for sure, but they do explain his purpose.

8. Why they go to rapture is explained in the DLC, and in the game ending. Alternate realities of a city, a man, etc. It's basically a direct parallel to Columbia.

9. Genetic lock wasn't in place until the civil war began toward the end of BAS 2. Alternatively it's a different version of rapture, it's not the exact same as Bioshock 1 and 2.

10. The retrieve the weapons section was ostensibly to switch realities, narrative wise.

11. What was she trying to accomplish? She wanted Comstock gone, that's what she did.

12. I don't know what retcons you're referring to exactly.
 
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1. Before they died they were still allowed to coexist at the same time, same wit hBooker and Comstock. So that's most definetly not an explanation at all.

2. Again, HOW did they know what to build? How did they know they had to build it? How does it exactly limit her powers?

3. See 2, how exactly did they create those things in the early 20s? The game offers no explanation on hwo exactly they work on how the yeven went as to build them, you are jus texpected to accept that they have that technology that is basically magic.

4. How is that an explanation? There are infinite universes, drowning Booker only erases one Booker, it doesn't work for what she is trying to accomplish and it sucks as the ending of a narrative.

5. They didn't know who he was until he decided to throw the ball with his marked hand like an idiot, nobody even makes any suggestion that they know who he is, he is even baptized and everything.

6. Only enemies used them, but they were being sold in a carnival to people. Why would they give them fancy bottles and branding if people didn't use them? Why does Columbia have Mutant soldiers other than to give the player other enemy types to fight?

7. He is said to be her protector but he has no porpouse on the story and in fact isn't even present on the plot for the most part. They also never explained how they even went as to create a flying mutant robot with a weakness to water. It jus texists there, and does nothing.

8. Rapture shouldn't even exist in the early 20's, the people in there are not even the same, so how does Booker use the Bathisphere? It has no explanation, is fan service with no propouse.

10. And it served to undermine the entire narrative upto that point and makes the character idiots.

11. Except she didn't because there are infinite universes. The DLC even shows that it accomplished nothing because there are a bunch of Comstocks still existing.

12. The retcon that apparently people in Rapture knew about the tear powers and suppsoedly had working portals to Columbia for some reason? That aparently Atlas acquiring the password required a dimension hoping girl doing a bunch of unrelated shit?

For more information, watch the Matthewmatosis Analysis and critique, this is off topic. Back to the discussion on the leaked footage.
 
So I got a 22% off for the season pass from a key vendor, I already bought the main game at a nice discount. But judging by the footage, I'm really not sure if I want to make an investment in what could be further mediocre content. But the dlc for Fallout 3 wasn't that bad. Also, are there any streams up atm?
 
More Bethesda/Microsoft partnerships. Forza 6 players can now use a Fallout-themed 1956 Ford F100 because everyone knows Fallout takes place in the 50's.



They also tease a Chryslus Rocket 69 car at the end too, whatever that is. New car they made up for Fallout 4 I guess. Seems like they would do the Corvega in Forza before making up new vehicles.
 
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More Bethesda/Microsoft partnerships. Forza 6 players can now use a Fallout-themed 1956 Ford F100 because everyone knows Fallout takes place in the 50's.



They also tease a Chryslus Rocket 69 car at the end too, whatever that is. New car they made up for Fallout 4 I guess. Seems like they would do the Corvega in Forza before making up new vehicles.
Let the corporate whoring commence!
 
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The Microsoft whoring is strong in this one. As if the obviously Xbox centric UI wasn't a big enough tell.
 
So I got a 22% off for the season pass from a key vendor, I already bought the main game at a nice discount. But judging by the footage, I'm really not sure if I want to make an investment in what could be further mediocre content. But the dlc for Fallout 3 wasn't that bad. Also, are there any streams up atm?

The solution is Fallout: Lonestar: http://www.falloutlonestar.com/

They have announced they will be making it in Fallout 4's engine.
 
Any good and thrustworthy Key Vendor that doesn't steal keys and makes me lose my money when they recall them?
 
The Microsoft whoring is strong in this one. As if the obviously Xbox centric UI wasn't a big enough tell.

Well, with the PS4 leading in sales by a significant margin, Bethesda would be dumb to continue the prior relationship they had with Microsoft for timed-exclusive DLC. They'd be pissing off too much of their customers. So this way they just focus on synergy with other Microsoft products and give them mods first.

Because really, they could have easily allowed Evolution Studios to make Fallout 4-themed cars for Driveclub too. But that's clearly not happening. Yet. *shrug*
 

1. Before they died they were still allowed to coexist at the same time, same wit hBooker and Comstock. So that's most definetly not an explanation at all.

2. Again, HOW did they know what to build? How did they know they had to build it? How does it exactly limit her powers?

3. See 2, how exactly did they create those things in the early 20s? The game offers no explanation on hwo exactly they work on how the yeven went as to build them, you are jus texpected to accept that they have that technology that is basically magic.

4. How is that an explanation? There are infinite universes, drowning Booker only erases one Booker, it doesn't work for what she is trying to accomplish and it sucks as the ending of a narrative.

5. They didn't know who he was until he decided to throw the ball with his marked hand like an idiot, nobody even makes any suggestion that they know who he is, he is even baptized and everything.

6. Only enemies used them, but they were being sold in a carnival to people. Why would they give them fancy bottles and branding if people didn't use them? Why does Columbia have Mutant soldiers other than to give the player other enemy types to fight?

7. He is said to be her protector but he has no porpouse on the story and in fact isn't even present on the plot for the most part. They also never explained how they even went as to create a flying mutant robot with a weakness to water. It jus texists there, and does nothing.

8. Rapture shouldn't even exist in the early 20's, the people in there are not even the same, so how does Booker use the Bathisphere? It has no explanation, is fan service with no propouse.

10. And it served to undermine the entire narrative upto that point and makes the character idiots.

11. Except she didn't because there are infinite universes. The DLC even shows that it accomplished nothing because there are a bunch of Comstocks still existing.

12. The retcon that apparently people in Rapture knew about the tear powers and suppsoedly had working portals to Columbia for some reason? That aparently Atlas acquiring the password required a dimension hoping girl doing a bunch of unrelated shit?

For more information, watch the Matthewmatosis Analysis and critique, this is off topic. Back to the discussion on the leaked footage.

1. Different universes entirely, why wouldn't they co-exist?
2. They are scientists that made a floating city, are you really asking this?
3. Explained again, tears let them trade tech with Rapture. Hence Vigors, etc.
4. No, it's supposed to end all Comstocks because they all stemmed from that one point in time.
5. He didn't know he was being looked for until that happened, they knew he was the false shepherd because of the mark he didn't know was an issue until they grabbed him and said it.
6. Unfortunately you don't see many citizens which is a failing of the game, so that's why.
7. Yes they did explain it, in Fink's audio logs. You keep saying things aren't explained but much of it is.
8. It's a different universe, why are you comparing times? When they go to Rapture it isn't in the 20's.
10. Not sure how that is.
11. Right, she thought it did but that Comstock escaped into an alternate reality and was spared as a result.
12. Its not a retcon if you understand the fact that this Rapture isn't the exact same Rapture. The multiverse theory says there are infinite variations, it's not identical and that is shown.

I've seen it, it isn't very good. Most of what you're saying isn't plotholes and much is explained clearly.
 
A question, for those of you who managed to watch the Hatenewspaper stream, did I imagine it because of the choppiness of the stream or was there a dude with long ass limbs who looked deformed when the PC was goign through the settlement building quest?
 
A question, for those of you who managed to watch the Hatenewspaper stream, did I imagine it because of the choppiness of the stream or was there a dude with long ass limbs who looked deformed when the PC was goign through the settlement building quest?

That's not a nice thing to say about old Marcy.

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A question, for those of you who managed to watch the Hatenewspaper stream, did I imagine it because of the choppiness of the stream or was there a dude with long ass limbs who looked deformed when the PC was goign through the settlement building quest?

That's not a nice thing to say about old Marcy.

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HATE DEFORMED LIMBS

Oh my god that looks like out of a mod that is intentionally breaking the models...




1. Because the game explicitly says that when Elizabeth and Booker traveled to the other dimension they merged with their counterparts and gained their memories? They explicitly say that's what happens... They even said that the Chinese engineer went insane because he gained the memories of hsi dead version and started existing as alive and dead at the same time....

2. "They are scientists" I see the explanation is childish writting. Alright.

3. How would they trade tech with Rapture when Rapture exists farther in the timeline on another universe, on a different part of the country? Also why would Rapture trade technology with people that are philosophicaly opposite to them and whose technology is obviously inferior because they are from the early 20s? The gae just says they did, but doesn't present a reason for why they would even do that.

4. That makes no sense on an Infinite timelines setting, doesn't even make sense whithin what they already explained, and the DLC even shows that it didn't even work so......

5. He saw the huge poster, looked at his hand and continued onward without takign precautions despite the Lettuces telling him to not engage in the lottery and be careful. It's pretty terrible characterization and on rails Narrative

7. They don't really explain how they made it, or why, or hwo it works, they just say they made it because. The "They discovered it through a tear" explanation is a complete cop out. Songbird doesn't even mesh with the designs of the rest of the technology and he doesn't even seem to be that effective at doing his task.

8. Again a cop out, "It's jus ta different universe". Then what was the poitn of even going there anywhere? That whole sequence with Elizabeth and the lighthouses was just complete nonsense that broke the rules at every step.

10. Because you literary spend the last 3 hours of the game on a narrative that is about helping the Vox Populi, but then you just suddenly jump to another universe with a different Vox Populi and a different Comstock with whom this characters haven't even interacted with? There is a complete disconnection with the story but the characters keep acting like they are treating with the same people for most of it. It's like a very clumsy and badly written time skip.

11. That makes no sense, if she is suppsoedly killing the root of their very existence then there would be no way to "escape" as you are erasing their past. You can't escape if you never existed in the first place. It makes no sense.

12. Except the ending shows that it's suppsoed to be the exact same rapture because Elizabeth has a vision of the future of the ending of the original game...


In any case. Off topic.
 
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A question, for those of you who managed to watch the Hatenewspaper stream, did I imagine it because of the choppiness of the stream or was there a dude with long ass limbs who looked deformed when the PC was goign through the settlement building quest?

That's not a nice thing to say about old Marcy.

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HATE DEFORMED LIMBS
Marcy Long. That's ironic...
 
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