Fallout 4 gameplay videos leaked, Bethesda starts taking them down

[PossibleCabbage]

Why are the others just mindless idiots? they also have no organization and no goals. Why write the Super Mutants in that fashion?

Because they want a relatively formidable enemy that isn't regular size human enemies?

Does "wanting a relatively formidable enemy that isn't a regular human" preclude writing them as fully formed characters with objectives and beliefs?

My whole issue with the whole "mutant suicider" is that it's an example of gamey logic ("this makes firefights more interesting") taking precedence over narrative or simulationist logic ("acting contrary to self-interest in this fashion makes no sense without significant textual justification; no one would do that") and that bugs me.

By all means make the mutants stupid and formidable, but make them have objectives and behave in a fashion that is consistent with those objectives. It can be something as simple as "they are territorial and want to drive off outsiders" or "they are expansionist and want to take more territory or resources" but in neither of those cases does "detonating a nuke in such a fashion that it kills the user" further those objectives.

Yeah ... I will never understand how someone could ever approve of such a line ... human milk ... that one will never feel really right.

It's from Macbeth, Act 1 Scene 5.

 

[Battlecross]

Um, did I see a super mutant companion named... "Strong?"

Yes. He wants to taste the milk of human kindness.
No, really. That's what he wants.

Yeah ... I will never understand how someone could ever approve of such a line ... human milk ... that one will never feel really right.

http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-quotes/milk-human-kindness

 

[Crni Vuk]

What I miss is some kind of leadership or master behind behind them, you can have most of the SMs beeing just mindless and stupid brutes. But even those need SOMEONE behind them who's giving them a purpose or agenda. Think of the Master and Lu in F1. Or Thabita in Vegas.

 

[Chromevod]

He quotes Shakespeare and the best name he could come up with for himself is "Strong?"

Well presumably he was named prior to meeting the guy who read him Shakespeare, and he latches on to one part of MacBeth.

Well, we'll see. If he's obsessed with MacBeth, at least he may not berate me for taking morally questionable actions. Or maybe he will because he sees MacBeth as a cautionary tale. If I were him, I would have changed my name though.

 

[Walpknut]

They retconned it, they didn't just "add it" mostly because the original games and even the writters stated that the FEV was very localized in the California area. The FEV was such a top secret experiment that the people guarding the scientists didn't know what it was and the Enclave had to go thought the trouble of mining the Destroyed Military Base to retrieve it, the Super Mutants weren't even the original result of the Mariposa experiments, those came from the Master Continuing research after finding the Vats and suffering his extense mutation....

Then Fallout 3 just came up and made up a "superduper secret vault" that has FEV but makes the Mutants GIANTS!!! fanfic style, didn't even bother to explain how the fuck was Vault Tec allowed to give the super secret experiment to a civilian Vault, why did the scientists even bothered continuing the experiments or why did they also result in Super Mutants or Why did the Enclave even need to mine the Military Base if there was a Vault with FEV, and the Enclave had knowledge of all Vaults. That's a retcon, a poorly implemented one at that. And what propouse did it serve? Just to add in a bunch of mindless orcs with no interesting stories to them.

 

[Hassknecht]

Um, did I see a super mutant companion named... "Strong?"

Yes. He wants to taste the milk of human kindness.
No, really. That's what he wants.

Yeah ... I will never understand how someone could ever approve of such a line ... human milk ... that one will never feel really right.

I mean, yes, it's Shakespeare. But damn, it just sounds ridiculous. Poetry doesn't make any sense out of context.

 

[Crni Vuk]

^This

Um, did I see a super mutant companion named... "Strong?"

Yes. He wants to taste the milk of human kindness.
No, really. That's what he wants.

Yeah ... I will never understand how someone could ever approve of such a line ... human milk ... that one will never feel really right.

http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-quotes/milk-human-kindness

And it still doesn't give me the image of Mc Beth when a Super Mutant says ... I want the milk of human kindness

I bet Francis was asking for that milk of human kidness as well once the chosen one meet him ... if you catch my drift.

 

[Battlecross]

Um, did I see a super mutant companion named... "Strong?"

Yes. He wants to taste the milk of human kindness.
No, really. That's what he wants.

Yeah ... I will never understand how someone could ever approve of such a line ... human milk ... that one will never feel really right.

I mean, yes, it's Shakespeare. But damn, it just sounds ridiculous. Poetry doesn't make any sense out of context.

You do get the joke here with him randomly quoting something he doesn't understand at all right? He clearly says he thinks the aforementioned milk will give him special powers.

 

[Mohamed2001]

That quote will go over most people's heads.. no seriously.

First thought I had was of semen.

 

[Crni Vuk]

You mean no death by snu snu?

 

[Battlecross]

That quote will go over most people's heads.. no seriously.

First thought I had was of semen.

It shouldn't since it's explained where it comes from when you meet him.

 

[Chromevod]

That quote will go over most people's heads.. no seriously.

First thought I had was of semen.

It probably would have gone through my head if I myself wasn't quite a fan of MacBeth. Good play.

 

[Hassknecht]

Um, did I see a super mutant companion named... "Strong?"

Yes. He wants to taste the milk of human kindness.
No, really. That's what he wants.

Yeah ... I will never understand how someone could ever approve of such a line ... human milk ... that one will never feel really right.

I mean, yes, it's Shakespeare. But damn, it just sounds ridiculous. Poetry doesn't make any sense out of context.

You do get the joke here with him randomly quoting something he doesn't understand at all right? He clearly says he thinks the aforementioned milk will give him special powers.

Oh, must have missed that, didn't watch much of the streams. I just thought it was Beth's usual attempt at being so deep Adele would roll in it.

 

[Mohamed2001]

That quote will go over most people's heads.. no seriously.

First thought I had was of semen.

It shouldn't since it's explained where it comes from when you meet him.

Just how many Shakespeare fans do you think play Fallout?

 

[PossibleCabbage]

That quote will go over most people's heads.. no seriously.

First thought I had was of semen.

I think "he's read Shakespeare and is quoting it, but it will come across to most players as goofy and kind of uncomfortably sexual" was precisely the intention of the line.

 

[Walpknut]

Fallout under Bethesda is written with the same nuance as Borderlands, which is why most of their ardent fans don't even understand complaints about nuance, complexity or good characterization. They just go "Cuz it's awesome boss monster!", they don't care about having interestign stories, despite Fallout always being about the communities that littered the map, their internal conflcits and how they interacted with each other. To The original Fallouts and New Vegas "War never changes" is about human's hubris, the constant struggle for man to survive and the conflicts that come with progress. To Fallout 3 War never changes just means "SHOOT EVERYTHING!!!!".

 

[whirlingdervish]

So far the extent of SM culture that we can see is gore bags.

That's it.

 

[generalissimofurioso]

Don't forget loincloths.

 

[Chromevod]

Fallout under Bethesda is written with the same nuance as Borderlands, which is why most of their ardent fans don't even understand complaints about nuance, complexity or good characterization. They just go "Cuz it's awesome boss monster!", they don't care about having interestign stories, despite Fallout always being about the communities that littered the map, their internal conflcits and how they interacted with each other. To The original Fallouts and New Vegas "War never changes" is about human's hubris, the constant struggle for man to survive and the conflicts that come with progress. To Fallout 3 War never changes just means "SHOOT EVERYTHING!!!!".

To be fair, it kind of fits with Borderlands. The story there isn't supposed to be deeply philosophical or a social commentary in any way. It's an excuse to shoot really big things and steal the shinies while poking fun at other games from time to time. Not everyone's cup of tea, granted, but it's fine if you like that sort of thing.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Sure, and that's why we are not complaining about Borderlands - which is a game that many enjoy here by the way - but about Fallout going down that path