Fallout 4 Launch Trailer

kostjamoscow said:
Damn, the level of "i am better", "smarter", "more distinct" than everyone else in this post is just awful.

So sad that everyone who doesn't like Fallout 4 believes they have some "higher motive" opinion and are "better informed".
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Not smarter, just more self-aware perhaps.

It's how the human species rolls... no way around it really.
 
Bubba Zanetti said:
phipboy said:
Would it sell less? I honestly doubt it.
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Though New Vegas didn't do terrible, didn't it fail to measure up, sales-wise?
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With Bethesda's marketing moneys too though and also their development time. It would do well I think.

kostjamoscow said:
Walpknut said:
In any case,

Yup. They understand their audience, hence why they're perfectly happy shelling out mediocre, but marketable products that appeal to a wider base.
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Damn, the level of "i am better", "smarter", "more distinct" than everyone else in this post is just awful.

So sad that everyone who doesn't like Fallout 4 believes they have some "higher motive" opinion and are "better informed".
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What he said was perfectly reasonable. Nothing he said makes him seem "better informed". You're just making stuff up.

If anything you're the one who has this "I am superior in the end no matter what they say" mentality going on. Stop with that shit.
 
You can enjoy the games all you want, but you gotta be self aware, if you seriously want to deny that Bethesda games just get more and more simplified Mechanics and roleplaying wise you are just delluding yourself. Their approach towards the "rpg genre" is very ill fitting for Fallout, which was NEVER about getting into caves and acquiring loot as it's main focus. Specially when they have completely neglected the most important aspects of the first 2 games, like the multiple ednings for settlements, the flexibility of dialogue and how it interacted directly with your build, allowing for entirely pacifist routes if the player build their characters properly.
 
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Fallout is not a literary masterpiece gentleman, methinks you think of it a little TOO highly. It sounds like a room of Harvard grads discussing War and Peace or something here sometimes.
 
See, I wasn't 100% sure how New Vegas did in comparison to Fallout 3. Thanks for the info.

generalissimofurioso said:
It was glitchy on release
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Ah, yeah I had almost forgotten about that mess.

New Vegas runs fine now, more or less, but I do remember the bugs and glitches being a pain in the ass when I originally picked it up.

More so than the usual Beth offering.
 
I think it's a videogame masterpiece, personally. I think it's fair to call it that. :)

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Compared to Fallout 3 of course. Not to the Great Gatsby. But when you look at Fallout 1 and Fallout 3 it is painfully obvious that Fallout 3s writing and quest structure doesn't get even close to Fallout 1. Fallout 1 is NOT sacred ground. It has it's flaws. But they really are not that huge.
 
No one is saying Fallout is a literary Master piece, but it was well written and well thought out setting wise. Which is kind of what the RPG genre used to be. Fallout was a great example of what an rpg sould aspire to be, not just make it about killing all the cannibals and getting their loot, but about telling stories where the player has lots ofagency in how they interact with it.
 
Bubba Zanetti said:
generalissimofurioso said:
It was glitchy on release
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Ah, yeah I had almost forgotten about that mess.

New Vegas runs fine now, more or less, but I do remember the bugs and glitches being a pain in the ass when I originally picked it up.

More so than the usual Beth offering.
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That's what happens if you, I assume, overestimate what a smaller team can do with 18 months. If Beth gave them like an additional 10 months they would fix all the stuff and also finish some of the cut content too. If only...
 
phipboy said:
I actually wonder how things would be different if BGS adhered to the core concepts and elements that made the classic games good and games, in general, GOOD? Like if they put all their focus on worldbuilding and the leveling up system and quality written no bullshit dialogue? Would it sell less? I honestly doubt it.

Of course they can market the game how they want but what if the finished product was actually a good Fallout game?
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Why spend more money and time on a product that will sell more or less the same?

Battlecross said:
Fallout is not a literary masterpiece gentleman, methinks you think of it a little TOO highly. It sounds like a room of Harvard grads discussing War and Peace or something here sometimes.
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Are you sure you arent the one who thinks too highly of it(or just Fallout 3 and 4)? Majority of your posts is a proof of it.
 
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The biggest gap between the beth and black isle approach, is that beth games want to be smart and immersive, but end up being stupid. Really, i don't know why i got so cought up with this stupidity thing today, but i remember playing fallout 3 and getting blown away with facepalms by the stupid dialogue and setting choices.
 
We don't know how many of the bugs in New Vegas have been left-overes from the engine though. Add to that new bugs that come up in development and you have a situatoin where you simply can't fix all the bugs in such a short time frame. However, I will not say that Obsidian is off the hook. But at least they provided a lot of patches.
 
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