Fallout 4 - Mods Now Available for Xbox One

[kraag]

Why do we keep comparing fallout 4 to borderlands, farcry, Minecraft, the sims, and call of duty? It's unfair to those games because they are all superior titles. Fact is fallout 4 is in a league all its own.

Fallout 4 keeps on getting compared to those games because Fallout 4 is trying to BE those games, all in one package.

It's pathetic, stop trying to please every single person on the planet and stick to your guns Fallout/Bethesda.

Especially the majority of Millennials that don't want to or simply can not read at all and only want mindless shoot 'em up violence, which Fallout 4 has in spades - that is where Borderlands, Far Cry, Minecraft, The Sims and Call of Duty come in. Let them play those and leave Fallout the fuck alone.

I am still flabbergasted at the fact that Bethesda had the testicular fortitude to go and classify this travesty of a game as a Role Playing Game.

I agree with you though, R.Graves, that they are superior titles.

 

[MercenarySnake]

Yeah, don't really like Skyrims gameplay either.

Surprised, Skyrim has all those gamey dungeons after all.

 

[0wing]

I think @NotAcasul is just not a Fallout fan, that's where all misunderstandings rises.

Move to the topic. Guess which mod is one of the most popular on Eggsbox Juan? Full Dialog Interface! Paradoxical situation, even console gamers don't like console-oriented dialog system. Yet it's not available the day after uploading for some reason, it has 31000+ favs.

 

[Chud]

We're not talking about Fallout 3 or 4.

Fallout New Vegas has zero interesting dungeons, a poorly created and spaced map, and enemies that are boring strategy-wise.

I offer a different opinion. Not a troll.

I'm sure you're not trolling, but I disagree with you greatly.

Here's the thing about NV, it's not a flashy world, it is however a logical one, a place that feels real and lived in. I loved just traveling along roads, stumbling onto a little watering hole, helping the locals, and then moving on, maybe picking some desert fruit on the way. The game's a western at heart, so go with it. The placement of dangers may they be Legion or deathclaws makes sense. They have homes and territories. A player learns quickly where to avoid and which paths are safest. Things are spaced far enough apart, unlike 3 and 4 where enemy camps are just about right next door to each other. There's none of that random deathclaw nonsense. The Vaults are varied and dangerous to travel through, unlike the ones in 3 and 4, and have a sadder, more realistic backstory to them. Places like NCR and Legion bases feel like bases. And quests galore, along with plenty of unique items to discover. Who cares about "interesting places" when they offer nothing to do or find.

The enemies are far from boring. Deathclaws can and will rip you apart; fire gecko, cazador, and night stalker mobs are a nightmare to deal with. Small raider gangs set up ambushes and rain down grenade rifle hell. Angering a herd of bighorners can often be the last foolish mistake. Rad scorpions are relentless, tough, and nasty in groups. Legendary Legion Assassins and NCR death squads eat regulators and Talon Company for breakfast.

There's a whole array of weapons and combat styles to choose from, armor classes each with strengths and weaknesses, and new chems that feel like a devil's bargain. DT cannot be overstated enough. Iron sights that work! Ammo types that add variety and challenge to the game. Do I unload on these deathclaws with my armor piercing rounds, or do I save them for my next meeting with the Legendary Assassins? When I hit a trader, should I buy up all his shotgun rounds or buy a few 50 cal. shells instead?

 

[Black Angel]

No, we're reconsidering the fact that maybe our beloved game, isn't as great as some may set out to display.

And so does Fallout 4. In fact, in may not be as 'good' as people make it out to be, even when not compared its' predecessor.

Skill checks counts as dialogue. Never said the dialogue was bad.

You're not wrong. But skills checks in an RPG (which stands for role-playing games) counts as gameplay. Been that way since the days of Pen&Paper RPGs, mate.

Yeah, I didn't praise Bethesda for delivering Fallout 4, I said that "New Vegas has terrible FPS mechanic."

Yeah, I think that'll go on my tombstone.

Ftfy. Like I said, skills checks are a part of gameplay in an RPG.

Yeah, hey that's right now, and New Vegas had some pretty serious problems.

Oh? Like what?
Terrible FPS mechanics? Shitty graphics? All inherited from Bethesda's shitty engine.
Terrible gameplay? Well, RPG's gameplay mechanics like skills checks aren't terrible, in fact very superb compared to other games that call themselves 'RPGs'.
Boring world? Subjective.
Cut content? Like we all have been discussing, it's all due to Obsidian only had 18 months of development time.
Not saying New Vegas is flawless or whatsoever, we all agreed with you New Vegas had lack of stuff to make it a good game. But as it stands now, it aged far, far better than Fallout 3. If you're trying to use New Vegas's 'lack of content that mods can fix it' to justify Fallout 4's 'lack of content that mods can fix it'.... well it's up to you. But after in 2015 the likes of CD Projekt Red set a standard for more modern AAA video games, and also Obsidian showing them how Fallout game was done, it's just unacceptable for what Bethesda have done.

Don't care about excuses. Instead, prove me wrong by citing some gameplay quality that was well-made. Maybe some unique place that I missed?

Gameplay quality that was well-made? Well, all of the skills checks, of course. You missed it?
Unique place? Repconn HQ? The Vaults in the Mojave? Camp Guardian?
Do I have to mention all of them? Maybe you should go looking for them by yourself. If you say, "Boring.", it's subjective, doesn't mean it's bad. It's all comes down to the developer's design philosophy and which ones we prefer to have. If you think New Vegas's world is boring, then maybe proper Fallout games are not for you.

Not talking about Fallout 4/3. We're talking about how "New Vegas has terrible FPS mechanic."

FTFY

I do, trust me. New Vegas already has that. I want to see it further improved on, rather than being pampered like George Lucas's niece or something.

Except Fallout 3, and obviously Fallout 4, doesn't have what it takes to make Fallout Fallout.

 

[whirlingdervish]

I know this guy is just a lame troll, but I have nothing better to do than type this at the moment:


1: There's a reason New Vegas doesn't have "interesting dungeons"

It's that DUNGEONS belong in a swords and sorcery fantasy RPG, and FALLOUT is not one of those.

Trying to make the term vaguely describe every cave in a game world that might have a piece of loot in it, does not disguise the complete lack of understanding that comes with expecting dungeons in a Fallout game.

Why can't a cave just be a fucking cave? Does it need a mini boss and a randomized loot chest every time? If you think so, Fallout is not the game for you.


2: The FONV map is neither "poorly created" nor "poorly spaced".

The simplest measure of that would be when you get to the edge of the map and there isn't a big magical invisible wall to stop you because the developers were too lazy to come up with something.

In terms of pure map creation, I can recall a handful of times I fell into a rock on a mountain somewhere and this was orders of magnitude less often than it happened to me in Skyrim on effectively the same game engine. I never came upon something unfinished, underdeveloped or nonsensical in the game world in hundreds of hours of play.

Due to the intentional dispersion of enemies that have high DT or that can quickly kill you like cazadores, the map spacing is handled quite well to keep you out of locations that while relatively close to the start, are not intended for early level play. If you sneak past them, you're still in a world of shit when something spots you, so the "oh I can cheese my way to new vegas" line means dick.
You still can't get into vegas proper, since you won't be able to afford it without console cheating up some caps or cheesing in some other fashion.

There are ingame, in-lore reasons in FONV that areas are locked off from you instead of invisible walls.

In FO3 & FO4? RADIASHUNZ!!! MUST TURN BACKZ!!


3: The enemies in FONV are not "boring strategywise", and obviously so when contrasted with those in FO3 & FO4. There are a variety of them, they have varied tactics and weapons, they have various forms of working armor that change up what you can use against them effectively, they correctly use their weapons and unless they are melee enemies they don't just charge you. On top of this, many of the enemies in FONV have the ability to NOT BE ENEMIES.

They have stories behind their existence, they have factions and complex interactions between them and in some cases you can make them NOT HOSTILE to you. I know this is amazing and you've never heard of this before, but yes it's possible to have NPCs in a game that you can kill, who aren't hostile to you on sight and without recourse.

The only real limitation the enemies in FONV have is the engine on which the game was made and the timetable the devs had to clean up the AI movement/pathing functions while making a whole new game with decent writing and a variety of way improved features over Fallout 3.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

I'm beginning to wonder if a certain YouTube video spammer has an NMA account.

"Come on guys Fallout New Vegas wasn't that great" is the subject of an entire rambling video.

Ok you win: Fallout New Vegas is not a "perfect videogame." It is still in another stratosphere compared to Fallout 4, and is the best Fallout game produced in that Gamebryo engine, and is the most true to the original vision of the series, and is the best RPG out of the modern Fallouts, etc. etc. And on top of all this it was made in like 1.5 years, whereas it took Bethesda 5-7 years to crap out their offline MMO.

How many times does the picture comparing quests in Skyrim, Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 3, and Fallout 4 have to be posted?

 

[0wing]

In FO3 & FO4?

Nothing stops you from wandering anywhere. I cleared and cleaned Gunners HQ & Quincy from any loot and mobs at mere lvl 15th using unmodded pistol caliber crap. Because it's a bad game design. THIS. SHOULD. NOT. HAPPEN.

"Come on guys Fallout New Vegas wasn't that great" is the subject of an entire rambling video.

Or MrMatty.

 

[RangerBoo]

I know this guy is just a lame troll, but I have nothing better to do than type this at the moment:

Lame troll is an understatement. If defending Fallout 4 is the hill this clown wants to die on then so be it.

 

[IndignantHedgehog]

sounds like a fun spin-off for mobile to me.

That actually sounds awesome. I've always liked the boarderlands world, but it's game play is pretty uninteresting.

I And on top of all this it was made in like 1.5 years, whereas it took Bethesda 5-7 years to crap out their offline MMO.

What's also really impressive about that is that they had never worked with gambyro before. They had to learn on the fly what can and can't be done, wheras the beth team knows it well.

 

[Graham2077]

I don't really understand why people act like NV's gameplay is shit. It's fine. I've played through the game several times all in 3rd person without VATS using different builds (Small guns, Melee, Unarmed) and I usually have a blast every single time. Obviously it could be improved, but I still had a way better time during combat in New Vegas because it didn't make me feel like I was doing a chore, unlike Fallout 4. Fallout 4 tells me to go to a location and retrieve something or clear out a section of ghouls, New Vegas doesn't. It might in certain quests, but it isn't nearly as overbearing. There's also a fucking awesome selection of weapons in New Vegas, as well as different ammo types and mods for certain weapons.

Oh, and the enemies in NV are boring? Have you not played Fallout 4? There's enemies around every damn corner. 90% of my time in Fallout 4 was engaged in combat, and I got pretty sick of the enemies after the 100th time killing them.

 

[Crni Vuk]

How could you ever take someone serious, who's opposing skill checks in an RPG, leave alone a Fallout game. How? I just don't get it. That's like an overweight person who has never done any sport in his life, is trying to tell you something about sport and how much it sucks in bikecycling that you have to do it on your own, and how it would be soooo much better if everyone used an e-bike with a battery ... or motor ...

 

[NotAcasul]

And so does Fallout 4. In fact, in may not be as 'good' as people make it out to be, even when not compared its' predecessor.


You're not wrong. But skills checks in an RPG (which stands for role-playing games) counts as gameplay. Been that way since the days of Pen&Paper RPGs, mate.


Ftfy. Like I said, skills checks are a part of gameplay in an RPG.


Oh? Like what?
Terrible FPS mechanics? Shitty graphics? All inherited from Bethesda's shitty engine.
Terrible gameplay? Well, RPG's gameplay mechanics like skills checks aren't terrible, in fact very superb compared to other games that call themselves 'RPGs'.
Boring world? Subjective.
Cut content? Like we all have been discussing, it's all due to Obsidian only had 18 months of development time.
Not saying New Vegas is flawless or whatsoever, we all agreed with you New Vegas had lack of stuff to make it a good game. But as it stands now, it aged far, far better than Fallout 3. If you're trying to use New Vegas's 'lack of content that mods can fix it' to justify Fallout 4's 'lack of content that mods can fix it'.... well it's up to you. But after in 2015 the likes of CD Projekt Red set a standard for more modern AAA video games, and also Obsidian showing them how Fallout game was done, it's just unacceptable for what Bethesda have done.


Gameplay quality that was well-made? Well, all of the skills checks, of course. You missed it?
Unique place? Repconn HQ? The Vaults in the Mojave? Camp Guardian?
Do I have to mention all of them? Maybe you should go looking for them by yourself. If you say, "Boring.", it's subjective, doesn't mean it's bad. It's all comes down to the developer's design philosophy and which ones we prefer to have. If you think New Vegas's world is boring, then maybe proper Fallout games are not for you.


FTFY


Except Fallout 3, and obviously Fallout 4, doesn't have what it takes to make Fallout Fallout.

I'm gonna do number format bc quoting things takes longer.

1. I thought we were talking about New Vegas?

2. Skill checks in dialogue doesn't count as gameplay, it counts as dialogue.

3. Nah, pretty sure the absolute god-awful engine from 1999 is pretty bad.

4. "Boring world? Subjective." Nellis is almost completely empty. Nice quests however.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/California_Sunset_Drive-in <- Boring, because there's nothing there.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Nipton_Road_Reststop <- Nearly completely empty, except for a book.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/South_Cistern <- Completely useless.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/East_Pump_Station <- Nearly empty, except for a quest objective/start

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/NCR_Sharecropper_Farms <- Good setting, nothing in them but a quest start.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Morning_Star_Cavern <- Cave.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Coyote_Den <- Cave with coyotes.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Blue_Paradise_Vacation_Rentals <- Houses with water.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fire_Root_Cavern <- Cave with geckos.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Searchlight_Airport <- Scorpions.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Walking_Box_Cavern <- Cave with Night Stalkers

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Bloodborne_Cave <- Night Stalkers, again.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Coyote_Tail_Ridge <- A rock where an awesome quest ends.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Devil's_Throat <- Hole with Super Mutants for some reason.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Lake_Mead_Cave <- Under water cave, absolutely nothing.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fisherman's_Pride_Shack <- A shack.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Broc_Flower_Cave <- Another cave.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Coyote_mines <- Nothing but a shack and some rad-away.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Jean_Sky_Diving <- Another shack.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Goodsprings_Cave <- A cave.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Devil's_Gullet <- Hole.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Yangtze_Memorial <- A white cross.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Makeshift_Great_Khan_Camp <- Some bed sheets.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Tribal_Village <- Some hostile cannon-fodder.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Deserted_shack <- You've gotta be kidding me.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Junction_15_Railway_Station <- A train station with some scorpions.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Hunter's_Farm <- A house.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Basincreek_Building <- Ants.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/New_Vegas_Steel <- 2 robots.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/West_Pump_Station <- Exactly like the other one.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/El_Rey_Motel <- A hotel.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Mountain_Shadows_Campground <- Grills.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/El_Dorado_Gas_&_Service <- A gas station that's empty.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Toxic_Dump_Site <- A truck with some radioactive barrels.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Lone_Wolf_Radio <- Trailer with a really small quest.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Primm_Pass <- Rocks.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Nopah_Cave <- Another cave, another gecko.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Wrecked_Highwayman <- A reference. Cute, but pretty useless.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Southern_Nevada_Wind_Farm <- Cazadors.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Emergency_Service_Railyard <- A railyard with nothing in it.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Allied_Technologies_offices <- an office with some ants (again)

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Powder_Ganger_Camp_West <- A few Powdergangers.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Sniper's_nest <- A nice gun.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Snyder_Prospector_Camp <- A shack.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Lucky_Jim_Mine <- A shack with a book (again)

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Boulder_Beach_Campground <- Sand

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Hidden_Supply_Cave <- A cave made specifically and only for a quest.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Raul's_Shack <- A companion home (another shack)

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fields'_Shack <- A shack with a bb gun.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Mesquite_Mountains_Camp_Site <- Scorpions mainly.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Mole_Rat_Ranch <- Some big walls, and about 2-3 non-hostile molerats.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Chance's_Map <-Dirt with a knife in it.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Poseidon_Gas_Station <- Gas Station with some radiation.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Ruby_Hill_Mine <- Some lurks, and a power-fist.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Silver_Peak_Mine <- Cazadores + Cave = boring.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Powder_Ganger_Camp_North <- Some more powdergangers

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Samson_Rock_Crushing_Plant <- Rocks, and maybe even a location for a quest!

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Lake_Las_Vegas <- Water.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Cazador_Nest <- Just a bunch of Cazadores.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Goodsprings_Source <- A well, with some geckos.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Powder_Ganger_Camp_South <- Train was tipped over, now its got Powdergangers. I mainly liked the camp because it used a train which I thought was funny. Still nothing.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Powder_Ganger_Camp_East <- Give it rest with the Powdergangers, yeesh, or make something better with them like a Powderganger that wants to be the leader of the pg but you gotta help him do it and there's lots of different ways to kill the leader. Or you can snitch on him and take the reward from the previous pg leader. Sorry, little bit carried away.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Bradley's_Shack <- Jackals.

Yeah, Fallout New Vegas has a lot of uninteresting places. Not due to the fact that I personally believe it is so, but due to the fact that all of these areas are mainly shacks or caves. They have no lore on them, and if they do it's tiny and doesn't expand on anything.

Look, if you want to improve New Vegas you have to look at the things that weren't great. This doesn't mean that all those vaults and all those great areas are invisible. I enjoy going through those settlements and quirky areas, but they're not the majority and not by a long shot.

Sorry, I don't even remember what we were doing in the first place so I'm gonna post this separately and reply maybe tomorrow.

 

[NotAcasul]

How could you ever take someone serious, who's opposing skill checks in an RPG, leave alone a Fallout game. How? I just don't get it. That's like an overweight person who has never done any sport in his life, is trying to tell you something about sport and how much it sucks in bikecycling that you have to do it on your own, and how it would be soooo much better if everyone used an e-bike with a battery ... or motor ...

I never said that, please stop trying so hard to make me look bad. I said they weren't a factor of gameplay, not that they weren't fun. Skill checks represent story and dialogue which, in my opinion, are separate from gameplay.

And don't call me fat, my mommy says I'm big boned.

 

[Mr Fish]

FNV isn't trying to be a themepark world filled with wild attractions around every corner though. It's a desert, so it is portrayed as just that, a desert. Yeah, it means that the world isn't thrilling to explore but that's not what you're 'meant' to explore in FNV. It is the characters, dialogue, quests and factions that you're meant to explore. Quite frankly I think that FNV would have been far better if they cut out all of the useless fluff and just returned to a world map like FO1/2. Either we get a somewhat realistically portrayed world that is boring as fuck to travel through or we get a themepark world that has too much crap in it and gets repetitive and tedious fast, especially for semi-completionists such as myself who when finding a map marker feels compelled to go through its location so that I can clear it as "explored".

 

[0wing]

https://mods.bethesda.net/#en/workshop/fallout4/mod-detail/1079746

I have no idea why the mod is showing as "no longer available" to certain users - I haven't done anything to disable it on my end. A quick search turned up this Bethsoft forums thread https://community.bethesda.net/thread/20621?start=0&tstart=0 which shows that this problem isn't just limited to this mod, or to certain users. It looks like the bandwidth on Bethesda's end can't keep up with the overwhelming demand to download mods. I'll keep an eye out for anything I can do to fix things on my end, but for the most part, it looks like it's totally out of my hands. Sorry.

Good job bethesda.
Not to mention a 2GB limit.

 

[Risewild]

I will just point out that skill checks are gameplay.
And to be honest in a RPG dialogue is a big part of gameplay, because dialogue influences things and/or is influenced in some way by the character's actions and/or stats and that allows for things in the game to change somehow.
An example from Morrowind that shows how dialogue is a big part of gameplay: You talk to people and you can use your skills to make people friendlier and can talk about highlighted words/topics. You can go from the initial dialogue having three topics and end up with thirteen (this is a random number I just used, I am sure we can go over this value) by the end, or you can annoy the NPC by failing your speech checks and end up with the NPC refusing to talk to you. Depending if the NPCs like you or not you will get them to reveal secrets, give or mention quests or treasures you can get, you can investigate murders and solve quests just from using dialogue, there is nothing more important in a RPG than dialogue.

cRPGs are based on PnP RPGs and since most of the time in a PnP the players spend playing is based in dialogue, that says everything.

And gameplay is not subjective, we can't say that this bit of a game is not gameplay for us and that one is, gameplay has a defined meaning, saying that dialogue in a RPG is not part of gameplay is the same as saying the world is flat, you might believe in what you're saying but that doesn't make it true.

Definition of Gameplay in the British and world English dictionary:

gameplay
ˈɡeɪmpleɪ/
noun
noun: gameplay; noun: game-play

1. the features of a computer game, such as its plot and the way it is played, as distinct from the graphics and sound effects.

Techopedia definition of gameplay:

Definition - What does Gameplay mean?
Gameplay is a term used to define the way players interact with a certain video or computer game. It is further characterized as the way the game is played, including the rules, the plot, the objectives and how to conquer them, as well as a player's overall experience. As video games gained popularity in the 1980s, the term gameplay became more popular as well. Its continuing popularity has expanded its use to include other types of games as well.

Techopedia explains Gameplay
The player’s experience is one of the most important factors in gameplay and helps to determine the game's success. Playability is a set of factors that measure the ease or comfort and fun in playing a specific game. Gameplay includes the type of game - such as first person shooters, platformers and role-playing games - and how the game follows or deviates from the set gameplay formulas in each genre. Gameplay features might include things the player can do with the character, like shooting, jumping, swimming, crafting items, using magic and even how the game handles player death.

There are various methods that can measure game playability to help improve the game. These include:

• Learning
• Immersion
• Emotion
• Satisfaction
• Efficiency
• Motivation
• Socialization

 

[Chud]

As for the topic, I think it's going to go off with quite a few hitches. The search feature leaves much to be desired, they need to have a faq for consoles users so they know the do's and don'ts of mods. I can see a possible virus sneaking through, or some kind of malware. I can see something like pornographic or disturbing content slipping through, being discovered too late, only for an uproar from incensed parents and politicians. It's gonna be interesting! That, or it'll end up with a lot of kids whining that a new mod hasn't been released fast enough, and Piper's breasts just aren't big enough, darn it!

Cynical humor aside, I think it could be good, and it's an interesting change for console users. The 2GB limit does mean limitations to how much one can use. I plan to grab little cosmetic mods, armor and weapons taken from NV (That fallout game that's not boring), possible changes to gameplay, and a STOP button for settlement attacks. Really tired of having to fend off Gunners and Raiders.

 

[Millim]

I just want a proper Speech System.
I appreciate the modder who made that dialogue box, and yes, I will download when I get the chance.
But you can't cover shit up, shit will always smell no matter what you use to cover it up.

 

[Black Angel]

1. I thought we were talking about New Vegas?

Whelp, first you want to discuss mods on consoles, specifically that for Fallout 4. Then people here came basically talk shit about Fallout 4 mods (and also on consoles) (Bethesda deserved it tho). Then you tried to justify Fallout 4 modding because New Vegas are 'shitty' and also need mods, basically going 'Two Wrongs Make a Right' but guess what? It isn't. The discussion got derailed as we begin to discuss mods on either New Vegas or Fallout 4 were justified, and then it turns into whether New Vegas is actually shitty or not. Not that any of our discussion so far is irrelevant, except of course you want to just derail your own discussion by stopping once in a while to ask a question such as, "I thought we were talking about New Vegas?" then the answer is yes, we were talking about New Vegas and if 'mods will fix it' are justified for either the 2 games we are comparing here. Now I ask, I thought we were talking about mods on Fallout 4? So why did you brought up New Vegas in the first place, hmm?

2. Skill checks in dialogue doesn't count as gameplay, it counts as dialogue.

This is false. Others had replied to you about this, so I don't have to elaborate any further.

3. Nah, pretty sure the absolute god-awful engine from 1999 is pretty bad.

At least they were not an ancient engine dragged into 2015/2016.

4. "Boring world? Subjective." Nellis is almost completely empty. Nice quests however.

Meh, Gamebryo's limitation. Wanna nitpick further? Freeside, the Strip, the casinos are all empty. But, as I said, shitty engine is shitty.

Various links to wikia page about marked places

Remember when I said it all comes down to the developer's design philosophy and which ones we prefer? And also when Mr Fish said that New Vegas isn't trying to make a world filled with themeparks? Well, that's also how it was in Fallout 1 and Fallout 2. I mean, can you remember some other marked places and whatever fluffs you thought was interesting in Bethesda's Fallout(s), in Fallout 1 and Fallout 2? No, you don't. This is because in Fallout, the best places are the settlements. That's how it is in New Vegas, too. As I remembered correctly, Fallout 3 have lots of themepark completely disconnected from one another and have little to no contribution to the overall story and bigger picture. Judging from the testimony of many, Fallout 4 were also like that, pumped up to eleven, making it more of the same and worse. I mean, in New Vegas, what else did you expected from an abandoned Reststop? Caves? Also, Powder Ganger's camps were mostly concentrated around the NCRCF and it makes sense, though by the time the Courier arrived there most of the roads were abandoned so there's no point for them to stay there, but Obsidian addressed it by having a note left in each camp about how they gotta move or they will lose raid victims. That's far better than how Bethesda handled gangs and raiders.

Yeah, Fallout New Vegas has a lot of uninteresting places. Not due to the fact that I personally believe it is so, but due to the fact that all of these areas are mainly shacks or caves. They have no lore on them, and if they do it's tiny and doesn't expand on anything.

I beg to differ

Green means primary locations, where it has quests or involved in ones, while Blue means secondary locations, simply put it means fluffs or some distraction to be added into the world. As you can see, there's 187 Greens, while there's 162 Blues. There's more primary locations than secondary ones. Even then, some, if not most or all of these Blues were actually important details added to make the world much more believable, like the Goodsprings's wells.

Look, if you want to improve New Vegas you have to look at the things that weren't great. This doesn't mean that all those vaults and all those great areas are invisible. I enjoy going through those settlements and quirky areas, but they're not the majority and not by a long shot.

Look, if you want to improve Fallout 4..... eh, I'd rather not.

Sorry, I don't even remember what we were doing in the first place so I'm gonna post this separately and reply maybe tomorrow.

You need to pay attention more, son. This is your own thread, too.

Edit: Okay, I'm gonna try to stay more on topic. Alright, mods on consoles, especially for Fallout 4. Well, I've talked about it in this thread that it seems the majority of console users don't understand how mods work, that they basically bullied mod authors into enabling mods for their consoles when it's not possible. So, thoughts?