Alphons
National Beholder
Doesn't it have Mentats on it, implying that large forehead is an effect of drugging the subject with them? There is similar case with wrecked cell where there is a skeleton with Buffout.
Fallout, Lore, Aliens, Easter Eggs, Bethesda and Mothershit Zeta
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Is not an argument for MZ i get that but nobody here can now say aliens are not canon or strongly implied to be.
Ignoring the UFO event that is just a joke. we have clear evidence of an Alien body in the glow is not some wacky event is an actual body. it was a conscious decision of the Dev team to put it there.
For what reason who knows? i personally think it goes with the theme of the US government keeping secrets.
It has nothing in it
CerberusGate
I should save my game in a whole new slot
Ah Zeta... even when I first played 3, I always hated this DLC. Nowadays, I loathe it. It attempts to break lore by implying aliens caused the Great War and makes aliens into a fully canonical race in-universe rather than the recurring joke they have been plus it is a dull DLC from start to finish (corridor shooting with mostly energy weapons etc.).
Headcanon-wise, I see this DLC as a stupid fever dream of the LW after some dumb shenanigans.
Because I don't recall being able to do so or seeing anything like that in the Glow. Ergo, I don't think that is clear evidence at all (and I think you're jumping to conclusions too quickly there) but more like a reused model in a facility that has been nuked to oblivion.
Headcanon-wise, I see this DLC as a stupid fever dream of the LW after some dumb shenanigans.
Can you mouse over and examine the corpse? Does it actually say it is an alien corpse or something not of terrestrial origins?
Because I don't recall being able to do so or seeing anything like that in the Glow. Ergo, I don't think that is clear evidence at all (and I think you're jumping to conclusions too quickly there) but more like a reused model in a facility that has been nuked to oblivion.
Norzan
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Like CerberusGate said, does the game acknowledges it as an alien? If it doesn't, then it's not. I also linked to a content cut page from that "alien" where you would be able to hover over and it would speculate if it was an alien or not. Again, cut content because the devs knew it was stupid to make aliens canon. It was also a reference to X-Files because a note was supposed to be near it signed by Dana Scully.
https://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_cut_content#Glow
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Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
It's not impossible, and might even be probable, but that is not guaranteed. The Fallout [2] editor has hundreds (if not thousands?) of tiny bits of tile art, and not every tile (and layered object) is placed correctly, or with the understanding of what it depicts, or that it may have just been placed there because it looked fitting.
If we saw what looked like a terminator t-800 in a trash heap somewhere in the game, that wouldn't mean that Skynet is THE Skynet, and that the Terminator 1-3 timelines exist in the Fallout universe. It'd be a gag, or an actual mistake. Fallout has what looks like a D&D monster (right out of the manual), and it's officially part of the game world, but Fallout 2 has a spell casting supermutant, who summons those same D&D looking creatures to attack the PC... and I doubt that Melchor is really what he appears to be, or (if so) that he is officially canon.
If you think about it... Melchor could have been justification for Bethesda to imbue FO3...
with a lot more from Oblivion than they did.
Mercifully they didn't, but one wonders if it was discussed in the meetings. Think of how lucky we are that they didn't retcon the entire setting to be the 1950's that evolved from TES in its ancient past.
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Yet they added the alien body anyway is not cut content the body is there the explanation for it may have been cut as you posted but the must be very dumb cuz it seems they went with it anyway.
It's not impossible, and might even be probable, but that is not guaranteed. The Fallout [2] editor has hundreds (if not thousands?) of tiny bits of tile art, and not every tile (and layered object) is placed correctly, or with the understanding of what it depicts, or that it may have just been placed there because it looked fitting.
If we saw what looked like a terminator t-800 in a trash heap somewhere in the game, that wouldn't mean that Skynet is THE Skynet, and that the Terminator 1-3 timelines exist in the Fallout universe. It'd be a gag, or an actual mistake. Fallout has what looks like a D&D monster (right out of the manual), and it's officially part of the game world, but Fallout 2 has a spell casting supermutant, who summons those same D&D looking creatures to attack the PC... and I doubt that Melchor is really what he appears to be, or (if so) that he is officially canon.
If you think about it... Melchor could have been justification for Bethesda to imbue FO3...
with a lot more from Oblivion than they did.
Mercifully they didn't, but one wonders if it was discussed in the meetings. Think of how lucky we are that they didn't retcon the entire setting to be the 1950's that evolved from TES in its ancient past.
I'm just surprised at the mental gymnastics people here go to deny that they have no issues adding or IMPLYIng aliens in fallout before 3.
You can argue Bethesda should have not made a big deal about them but my point still stands that there were no issues with aliens in fallout before 3
I mean mostly fair. I just preferred they be hinted at the MOST in Fallout.
Norzan
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Again, where did the game said it was an alien? It can be easily just be another mutant or some genetic experiment, like the cut content even hints at. About the model, they could have decided to kept it after they realized making aliens canon was stupid and just keep the model as some sort mutant or genetic experiment. They could have also just decided to recycle that model in the Glow for a joke special encounter because that model somewhat ressembles a Roswell alien.
The budget on Fallout 1 wasn't exactly big, so reusing models wouldn't have been out of question.
And even if they were implied, they had nothing to do with anything. They were a footnote on the game, only directly referenced on a joke special encounter. Meanwhile Bethesda picks up this footnote and makes an entire PAID DLC story where the aliens do more than they should be. A lot more. Far too much.
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Valdetiosi
Valde
What's "fun" in mothership zeta again? I had more fun in game just aimlessly wandering around and killing stuff moreso than in that DLC than killing same aliens over and over again.
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
it makes sense that they'd reuse the mutated skeleton sprite for the alien joke rather than creating a whole new sprite in addition to the ship as a joke. otherwise what the fuck was an alien doing just chilling out in the open in a military base?
Mate, did you even read my previous posts?
They give a hint about "alien" skeletons. They have a log saying that they experimented on the "subject" by feeding him tons of mentats. Never do they say they experimented on the "alien life form".
Mentats are known to change the brain of people, if you feed someone tons of them in a short amount of time, with god knows what else going in the experiment, you could conceivably mutate someone's brain to enlarge it.
Also Fallout has the dwarves, and that skeleton could easily be a mutated dwarf experimented on using Mentats.
Never in the games do anything say "it's aliens". Even the UFO says it's property of the USA Air Force on it.
We even find the mutated skeleton of the horned kangaroo in one game. And our character does "say"/"think":
"You think these might be Horned Kangaroo bones, but you cannot be sure. They are too weathered to make a final determination.".
If those skeletons were alien, our character would describe/think them as alien, just like with the made up horned kangaroo.
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mannawyadden
It Wandered In From the Wastes
So they set it up to look like aliens at face value, but then a closer investigation gives another possible explanation. You guys already explained the military base skeleton situation, so:
With the UFO crash site, it could be an actual UFO that the government has recovered from Roswell and claims ownership of. The Elvis painting could be a nod to the theory that Elvis didn't die and was instead abducted or was an alien that went home like in Men in Black. Or the ship could just be a government prop.
I like how the aliens were a possibility but not confirmed. It's true that Fallout 3 takes the mystery out and just shows an alien corpse wearing a spacesuit, even before Zeta.
The "Aliens" in Fallout 2 turned out to just be mutants, Wannamingo or something? In Fallout 3 I think the alien corpse should've been designed in such a way to clearly open the possibility that it originated from Earth, leave it up to player interpretation.
It's a huge stretch, but if you remove Zeta from the picture it's technically a possibile that the "alien" in FO3 is actually a highly intelligent mutant frog with a huge brain that wears a special environment suit to keep its amphibian body hydrated when away from water. And it uses prototype military technology it found in a secret underwater base.
I want to believe, so Zeta must be a hallucination caused by my character losing a chunk of his brain.
With the UFO crash site, it could be an actual UFO that the government has recovered from Roswell and claims ownership of. The Elvis painting could be a nod to the theory that Elvis didn't die and was instead abducted or was an alien that went home like in Men in Black. Or the ship could just be a government prop.
I like how the aliens were a possibility but not confirmed. It's true that Fallout 3 takes the mystery out and just shows an alien corpse wearing a spacesuit, even before Zeta.
The "Aliens" in Fallout 2 turned out to just be mutants, Wannamingo or something? In Fallout 3 I think the alien corpse should've been designed in such a way to clearly open the possibility that it originated from Earth, leave it up to player interpretation.
It's a huge stretch, but if you remove Zeta from the picture it's technically a possibile that the "alien" in FO3 is actually a highly intelligent mutant frog with a huge brain that wears a special environment suit to keep its amphibian body hydrated when away from water. And it uses prototype military technology it found in a secret underwater base.
I want to believe, so Zeta must be a hallucination caused by my character losing a chunk of his brain.
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Valdetiosi
Valde
The wisest option is to just remove the DLC altogether, since it's not like you lose anything from it.
Hey, cryo grenades and cryo mines are cool.
Although, they were to be in base Fallout 3 game, but they didn't make it. My opinion is that they couldn't make the cryo effect work before releasing the game.
All the cryo weapons in base Fallout 3 were cut (cryo mine, cryo grenade and cryolator), so a good guess is that the effect didn't work, so get rid of them.
But good news... The TTW team properly remade them (as in from almost scratch, since only the mesh and textures existed) and re-implements them all!
Yes I read you mental gymnastics I like how when i give an explanation in handwaving it as nothing yet you come here with this over complicated thing because I caught some here with their pants down when i show the alien body in the glow.
The narrative is Zeta DLC sucks because aliens are not part of fallout something i prove here to be wrong they are part of the series since 1.
They been part or making sense in the series does not mean the Zeta DLC is good
Okay so here's what we learned today:
Aliens are a very important part of lore because Fallout 1 had a body that looked like an alien in an experimental facility that some kid from a bunker in the side of a mountain (a Vault) described as an alien.
That same Vault Dweller who had likely never been outside of a bunker in his/her lifetime also confirmed that horned kangaroos exist in the Fallout universe.
Also, there might as well be dinosaurs. We saw a dinosaur footprint, what else could it be?
BETHESDA!!!!! FALLOUT 5 BETTER HAVE T-REXES AND VELOCIRAPTORS I SWEAR!
Aliens are a very important part of lore because Fallout 1 had a body that looked like an alien in an experimental facility that some kid from a bunker in the side of a mountain (a Vault) described as an alien.
That same Vault Dweller who had likely never been outside of a bunker in his/her lifetime also confirmed that horned kangaroos exist in the Fallout universe.
Also, there might as well be dinosaurs. We saw a dinosaur footprint, what else could it be?
BETHESDA!!!!! FALLOUT 5 BETTER HAVE T-REXES AND VELOCIRAPTORS I SWEAR!
Valdetiosi
Valde
Inb4 Fallout 5 where yet another Enclave base attempts to purify Wasteland by dosing FEV virus into dinosaur DNA, creating radosaurs.
Norzan
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
You're the one doing mental gymnastics to justify that model to be an alien. Again, and i repeat again, the game never acknowledges it as an alien. There's nothing in the entire game, either a line of dialogue or a description, that 100% confirms it as an alien. At this point you're just being stubborn for the sake of it because you want to believe aliens were canon before Fallout 3 to justify the shitty Mothership Zeta dlc.
Until i see a concrete source that 100% confirms that as an alien, either from a dev that worked on the game or 100% reliable source, i'm gonna chalk up that body to be a mutant or some genetic experiment. Specially when the Glow is the West Tek research facility which was known for doing experiments with beings.
https://bloodborne.wikia.com/wiki/Celestial_Emissary
I know it's a completely different game, but look at this. The minions of this boss look like that model. Does Bloodborne have aliens now too? Or does this mean Bloodborne and Fallout are in the same universe?
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Alphons
National Beholder
Dropping my two cents in- Wanamingo are also called Aliens, but they were created by pre-war scientists. Alien doesn't mean only extra-terrestrial. It's used to describe something unknown, strange and unnatural.
We can have a discussion whether skeletons in West- Tek and that special encounter are remains of creatures from space- we'll never know for sure.
Zeta took an interesting idea that maybe someone/ something watches the endless stream of wars that humanity wages upon itself and shoved it into your face with it's bullet sponges, tight, linear corridors and boring characters.
Could DLC for Fallout have aliens and be good? Maybe (Zeta Crew mod was fun, but it requires you to beat Zeta and isn't compatible with TTW, so I've played it only once), but I'm sure that I'll be forever biased towards the idea after experiencing Zeta.
We can have a discussion whether skeletons in West- Tek and that special encounter are remains of creatures from space- we'll never know for sure.
Zeta took an interesting idea that maybe someone/ something watches the endless stream of wars that humanity wages upon itself and shoved it into your face with it's bullet sponges, tight, linear corridors and boring characters.
Could DLC for Fallout have aliens and be good? Maybe (Zeta Crew mod was fun, but it requires you to beat Zeta and isn't compatible with TTW, so I've played it only once), but I'm sure that I'll be forever biased towards the idea after experiencing Zeta.
Alphons has some good insight into this in my opinion.
Zeta ruined the idea of aliens ever being canon. Who cares about one silly little skeleton that's not actually said to be an alien when the DLC was so poorly done that it ruins the idea all together?
And yes, alien just means foreign. So I guess you could argue that mutants are initially alien to anywhere until they have been there long enough. You could also argue they are not alien because their origin is that area. Depends on how you really look at it.
Zeta ruined the idea of aliens ever being canon. Who cares about one silly little skeleton that's not actually said to be an alien when the DLC was so poorly done that it ruins the idea all together?
And yes, alien just means foreign. So I guess you could argue that mutants are initially alien to anywhere until they have been there long enough. You could also argue they are not alien because their origin is that area. Depends on how you really look at it.