Fat Shaming: What's NMA's Thoughts?

The Vault Dweller said:
Unfortunately I've noticed that fat people are easily offended by any comment about their weight no matter how kindly worded or intended.
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Believe it or not, most people know everything there is to know about their own weight and "any comment" on it will accomplish nothing but make them feel worse.
I have serious trouble understanding the process that leads people to thinking that the 115th "well-intended", "kindly worded" comment about their weight will finally make them see the error of their fat ways and they'll start becoming healthy.
 
IMHO it's good to advice someone who is a little on the chubby side or otherwise needs advice on diet about what a good healthy diet ought to be like. Although one can't preach about it, just offer some advice that they can either take or leave. Usually at least some advice may be picked up leading to at least some good in that individuals diet/health.
 
The only time it's appropriate to give anyone advice on their diet is when they ask you for it. Otherwise you are perpetuating the stigma that comes with being overweight which often leads to further weight gain. Your good intentions are worthless and actually exacerbate the problem.
 
It's not just the overweight who have a problem with their diet, underweight people may also have a problem with their diet and so can normal weight folks. One kind of has to 'weight' the pro and cons of advicing a person about their diet or not. If you don't that person may get into worse shape. If you do tell their feelings might get hurt.

If that person asks for help then IMHO it's at least ok give advice. If you present the advice in a way that they, even if not asking for it, accept it and get interested in it, that's ok too.

Also, there are people who haven't had "115" advices about their diets, maybe not even one. These folks should at least be given good, factually correct info about diet.
 
I would never give advice on diets. I will, however, advise exercise, because very few are not in need of more exercise, and fat people in particular do not exercise enough. Yes, a few have glandular problems or other non-self-afflicted health issues, but most simply don't move enough. That, paired with a slow (or fast, actually. You know what I mean) metabolism leads to obesity, making exercise even harder and so on.
Work out. It's necessary.
 
Buxbaum666 said:
Believe it or not, most people know everything there is to know about their own weight and "any comment" on it will accomplish nothing but make them feel worse.
I have serious trouble understanding the process that leads people to thinking that the 115th "well-intended", "kindly worded" comment about their weight will finally make them see the error of their fat ways and they'll start becoming healthy.
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So, You are you telling me you think friends, family and parents have mal-intent and that the only way is to not acknowledge it?

You think it's in the best interest for them not to try anything to help their friend or daughter/son out so they can live in their 30's without taking medication for hypertension and insulin for their diabetes?

It's mental and i'd often argue child abuse if you don't change your childs diet or work with them in your care or not bother to mention it at all. By this logic, Doctors must be fat shaming as the tumblr community thinks that anyone who sparks a topic around the waste line is trying to guilt another. I highly don't as a parent you're fat shaming by having your child not eat an ice cream come everyday.
 
Hassknecht said:
I would never give advice on diets. I will, however, advise exercise, because very few are not in need of more exercise, and fat people in particular do not exercise enough. Yes, a few have glandular problems or other non-self-afflicted health issues, but most simply don't move enough. That, paired with a slow (or fast, actually. You know what I mean) metabolism leads to obesity, making exercise even harder and so on.
Work out. It's necessary.
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True. I would argue that diet and exercise are linked in many ways. However, a lot of people, especially women, find it difficult to exercise enough. I read somewhere that for women it's more difficult to lose extra weight. So, it can be challenging.
 
TransgenderVaultDeweller said:
So, You are you telling me you think friends, family and parents have mal-intent and that the only way is to not acknowledge it?
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Wait, let me re-read my posting.

Nope, doesn't look like I'm telling you this.

TransgenderVaultDeweller said:
You think it's in the best interest for them not to try anything to help their friend or daughter/son out so they can live in their 30's without taking medication for hypertension and insulin for their diabetes?
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Wait, let me re-read my posting.

Nope, doesn't look like I think that.

TransgenderVaultDeweller said:
It's mental and i'd often argue child abuse if you don't change your childs diet or work with them in your care or not bother to mention it at all. By this logic, Doctors must be fat shaming as the tumblr community thinks that anyone who sparks a topic around the waste line is trying to guilt another. I highly don't as a parent you're fat shaming by having your child not eat an ice cream come everyday.
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What a great job taking down all these strawmen. Here, Have an ice cream come.
:smugoticon:
 
Hassknecht said:
I would never give advice on diets. I will, however, advise exercise, because very few are not in need of more exercise, and fat people in particular do not exercise enough. Yes, a few have glandular problems or other non-self-afflicted health issues, but most simply don't move enough. That, paired with a slow (or fast, actually. You know what I mean) metabolism leads to obesity, making exercise even harder and so on.
Work out. It's necessary.
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As someone who was obese up until four years ago, I can tell you that the whole "fight obesity with exercise" thing is a load of crap. The real reason most people lose weight when they start exercising is that it gives them something to do, and time spent exercising isn't time spent eating. Exercise only affects weight loss directly when taken to an extreme point, unreachable to someone who is obese.

Besides, fat people are fat because they eat absurdly large amounts of food. Whoever tells you differently is just making up excuses.

The only way to really lose weight is to man up and eat less. I started my diet first by eating once a day but I eventually went full Auschwitz, eating just a few apples a day and testing my ability to fast. I went from obese to underweight in nine months, and am now at my optimal weight without giving any consideration to how much of what do I eat and when.
 
Korin said:
I think there's a difference between "fat shaming" as it's put and saying being overweight is unhealthy. Smoking cigarettes is unhealthy for instance but you're less likely to hear someone use that trait as an insult. Nobody should be debating whether being overweight is unhealthy. "Lose weight" is probably the most frequently given advice by a common doctor. But they aren't like, "Lose weight you fat disgusting pig".
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Honstly, I never understand this fetish with "health" anyway. Sometimes I feel like there is seriously no midle ground. Someone who has a belly, isn't necessarily unhealthy. And someone who's skinny, isn't always healthy.

I am just saying. The topic of Fat = Unhealthy is really a lot more than just losing weight. You can lose a lot of weight, and still be very unhealthy, if you don't do any kind of exercise, be it sport or other activities that involve some kind of effort.

How do they say, trim the fat, not the muscle. It's a bit simplified. But I think you get what I mean ;)
 
Illuminati Confirmed! said:
As someone who was obese up until four years ago, I can tell you that the whole "fight obesity with exercise" thing is a load of crap. The real reason most people lose weight when they start exercising is that it gives them something to do, and time spent exercising isn't time spent eating. Exercise only affects weight loss directly when taken to an extreme point, unreachable to someone who is obese.

Besides, fat people are fat because they eat absurdly large amounts of food. Whoever tells you differently is just making up excuses.

The only way to really lose weight is to man up and eat less. I started my diet first by eating once a day but I eventually went full Auschwitz, eating just a few apples a day and testing my ability to fast. I went from obese to underweight in nine months, and am now at my optimal weight without giving any consideration to how much of what do I eat and when.
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*Shrugs* I lost more than 25 kg over the last 6-7 months. And all just with 6 hours of of excercises per week. Is 6 hours really that much over a week? However, I absolutely agree with you on the fat part. I can't hear this "it's my genes" bullshit anymore.

However, you don't have to spend your lifetime in a gym. But you really should NOT only rely on a diet alone. Exercises have to be used in combination with changes to your diet, which is what I did as well.

To many health realted issues, at least in the western world, have to do with the fact that people don't do enough exercises.

And beeing a bit overweight, isn't the end of the world either.
 
Hassknecht said:
I would never give advice on diets. I will, however, advise exercise, because very few are not in need of more exercise, and fat people in particular do not exercise enough. Yes, a few have glandular problems or other non-self-afflicted health issues, but most simply don't move enough. That, paired with a slow (or fast, actually. You know what I mean) metabolism leads to obesity, making exercise even harder and so on.
Work out. It's necessary.
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Walk a lot. People think they have to knock themselves out running, but that's a terrible idea if:
1) You're not used it. It's hard to make a lifestyle change if you hate what you're doing anyway.
2) It's really hard on your joints if you're overweight.
 
Running can be tough on the legs even if you're not particularily overweight. Using a treadmill may make it a bit kinder to start off. Also things like a rowing machine, the 'orbitrek' - thing, etc. can be used for aerobic exercise that is good for burning fat.
 
Swimming is also great, although many people don't properly exhaust themselves but just paddle along, probably burning fewer calories than walking...
 
Hassknecht said:
Swimming is also great, although many people don't properly exhaust themselves but just paddle along, probably burning fewer calories than walking...
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True enough. But still better than doing nothing at all. I mean, if someone is doing it regularly, that's already pretty good, if you consider that in Germany only 30% of the population actually do exercises/sport regularly.
 
The best exercise by far is to work the land. It's also a lot easier psychologically since every move you make has an immediate result on the environment. Walking is nice if you are somewhere new or at a place you haven't seen in a while, swimming anywhere but in the sea sucks dick and you can only do that in the summer, simultaneously fighting Satan's dark army of tourists which occupies the beaches.
 
I shame everybody, cus everybody's my business, not theirs, so if I see people who are fat, I walk right up to them, and tell them to fucking quit it.
Someone with lame hair, I tell them to give it a goddamn rest, they're bothering everybody.
And how many morons go around dressed all wrong? I let them know, systematically, one after the other, red shoes for example, are they fucking serious? Red pants: Even worse. In fact, most clothes should never be red, except tux-shirts. Gives you a nice "vampiric" vibe.
Anybody wears a hat with a brim, like a stetson hat or something, I just kick them squa' in the nuts.
NO excuse!

My motto is "It's never your business, it's always mine"
 
Fat shaming I imagine is counter-productive if you actually want someone to lose the weight. A lot of people would probably reject it in that sense and keep on as they are. It's down to them, no matter the case. The best one can likely do is just offhandedly bring it up when relevant, then drop it.

In some cases it's partially because a solution to a different problem, usually stress, depression, etc, is to get some exercise. I'm not talking about full on bodybuilding stuff, but just something moderately intense. Going out and jogging a few miles when weather permits, do a bunch of reps. Setting small physical goals for yourself. It may not be for everyone, but I found it helped me in a lot of areas. Just because it's a set of goals that yield health benefits on the side, but the primary gain is that you're occupying your mind on something else than whatever is bothering you for a bit.
 
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