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Fat Shaming: What's NMA's Thoughts?
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adamlane
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obesity is wrong, bad, unhealthy, life-shortening. call it as you want. it has nothing to do with feminism as far as i understand. some women are tend to substitute terms 
As someone who was seriously overweight - lost more than 30 kg so far, but still a we bit chubby! - I can tell you this much. Douchey behaviour is not based on gender or feminism. Blaming society or biology for your shitty eating habits or unwillingness to do something is rather common. Hence why those so called light products are so common and sell like hot cakes. They don't work, but they give people a feeling like, see! I am doing something! It's for the most part a marketing gimick. Hey! I am not fat-shaming anyone - I know what it's like. You're happy with your weight? That's fine. But don't lie to your self or telling me bullshit, like it's the genes. I mean yeah, I get it, your biology plays some role. Like my room mate who's a beanpole. But still, it's not so huge that you gain 5kg of body fat by just looking at a snickers bar while someone else is gaining nothing despite of eating a whole pack of it.
The main problem, and I am mainly talking from experience right now, is fat logic. Sometimes the issue is more serious, sometimes less. But in 90% of the cases, this was my problem. I can directly compare it with my room mate, who's saying that he can eat everything, and never gain weight, which is true, he doesn't gain any weight. While he insinsted (took me some time to get that out of him!) it's his biology, I constantly reminded him to compare how we eat and how much we eat. I eat roughly double as much as he does - when I cook something - but I also do a lot of exercises, right now I am loosing 1kg per week on average. And he is rather quickly sated. No surprise that he's thin!
The main problem, and I am mainly talking from experience right now, is fat logic. Sometimes the issue is more serious, sometimes less. But in 90% of the cases, this was my problem. I can directly compare it with my room mate, who's saying that he can eat everything, and never gain weight, which is true, he doesn't gain any weight. While he insinsted (took me some time to get that out of him!) it's his biology, I constantly reminded him to compare how we eat and how much we eat. I eat roughly double as much as he does - when I cook something - but I also do a lot of exercises, right now I am loosing 1kg per week on average. And he is rather quickly sated. No surprise that he's thin!
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Well life sometimes is that unfair. But fairness has little to do with responsibility.
In my case, I am a beanpole. I can eat the package of Snickers and not gain weight.
But simultaneously, I find the idea of eating a whole pack kinda gross.
There's a distinct difference between eating one and a whole pack. It's like the difference between sprinkling some sugar into your tea versus upending the whole bag into it.
In my case, I am a beanpole. I can eat the package of Snickers and not gain weight.
But simultaneously, I find the idea of eating a whole pack kinda gross.
There's a distinct difference between eating one and a whole pack. It's like the difference between sprinkling some sugar into your tea versus upending the whole bag into it.
TransgenderVaultDeweller
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Doesn't help when you have a bunch of vegans trying to shove an agenda rather than give a shit about the person.
Anyways, If any of you are considering to lose weight, i'd advise you limit yourself to vegan ism. Vegetarianism is okay. But Vegan ism is pure unadulterated cancer. It plagued the youtube community health and fitness section.
As for people being overweight in general. With all these cheap and empty calorie high carb intensive foods, Containing, Sugar, Corn Syrup, Aspertaime. It's of no consequence that people gain weight. They are bombarded and targeted by food lobbyist. However, lets us contemplate for a moment and think of making excuses are going to help in the long run. Sure, Junk food is comforting to some and makes you feel good, But have you ever tried to try something else? Instead of going for a big gulp at seven eleven, Why not just go to a small?
The thing is, Obese people should first look at their portion sizes if they think that transitioning into the "nasty food" is awful. Look, I've dieted in the pass and can assure you that you're addicted to these types of food and the only way off is by biting the bullet and making small cheap days until the side affects of feeling like shit subside.
Once you get off of processed foods and sweets, You'll crave plants.
You can still eat delicious things and still be healthy. For instances, Chicken breast with roasted pistachios filled with feta cheese, served with lettuce, brown rice and a side of beans.
Yummers! That to me will taste better than any big mac meal in the world. You should feel empowered to do it. You're helping yourself and you feel good. I don't often tell obese people that they're fat fucks as it's counter productive. But let's be real. Obesity cost the tax payers in subsides with something around 1.4 billion dollars.
Another thing i often argue with vegans as a side note. You can eat meat and still have good cholesterol. It depends on how you cook and prepare it. If you're using transfat, fried veggies that you often see in soul food. You're underminding the purpose.
I think what really got me to lose weight was the fact i found sugars, sweets and empty caloric foods to be.. too sweet? I got sick of it and i decided while i was transitioning in the beautiful woman i am today. I want to fit the style that i want. I wanted to wear leather biker jackets with half of my hair cut, dyed in in red on the tips of the end of my hair.
Anyways, If any of you are considering to lose weight, i'd advise you limit yourself to vegan ism. Vegetarianism is okay. But Vegan ism is pure unadulterated cancer. It plagued the youtube community health and fitness section.
As for people being overweight in general. With all these cheap and empty calorie high carb intensive foods, Containing, Sugar, Corn Syrup, Aspertaime. It's of no consequence that people gain weight. They are bombarded and targeted by food lobbyist. However, lets us contemplate for a moment and think of making excuses are going to help in the long run. Sure, Junk food is comforting to some and makes you feel good, But have you ever tried to try something else? Instead of going for a big gulp at seven eleven, Why not just go to a small?
The thing is, Obese people should first look at their portion sizes if they think that transitioning into the "nasty food" is awful. Look, I've dieted in the pass and can assure you that you're addicted to these types of food and the only way off is by biting the bullet and making small cheap days until the side affects of feeling like shit subside.
Once you get off of processed foods and sweets, You'll crave plants.
You can still eat delicious things and still be healthy. For instances, Chicken breast with roasted pistachios filled with feta cheese, served with lettuce, brown rice and a side of beans.
Yummers! That to me will taste better than any big mac meal in the world. You should feel empowered to do it. You're helping yourself and you feel good. I don't often tell obese people that they're fat fucks as it's counter productive. But let's be real. Obesity cost the tax payers in subsides with something around 1.4 billion dollars.
Another thing i often argue with vegans as a side note. You can eat meat and still have good cholesterol. It depends on how you cook and prepare it. If you're using transfat, fried veggies that you often see in soul food. You're underminding the purpose.
I think what really got me to lose weight was the fact i found sugars, sweets and empty caloric foods to be.. too sweet? I got sick of it and i decided while i was transitioning in the beautiful woman i am today. I want to fit the style that i want. I wanted to wear leather biker jackets with half of my hair cut, dyed in in red on the tips of the end of my hair.
Well, it all boils down to, change your self, if you want to change the industry.
Unless you're suffering from some sever conditions that requires medical treatment, I would say what you do is simply keeping an neutral calorie balance between your energy burning and consumption over the week.
Yeah, no doubts about it. Your physiology plays a role. But you can't beat physics. You can't lose weight while you get more calories in to your body than you waste. That's like, impossible. Or you would have very serious health issues.
But that's what some people tell me. And like I said, it took me some time to get that one out of my room mate. I am not saying biology isn't playing a role in how efficient your body deals with calories and turning it in to bodyfat. The truth is, if we had to deal with a famine, maybe I had a much better chance to survive than someone who's a beanpole. Simply because my body can store fat more efficiently. But, if we had to run a way from a hungry Lion ... well you get the picture
This idea though, that someone could gain weight just from thin air because of his genes or that he would not gain anything despite of doing NO activity ...
Yeah, no doubts about it. Your physiology plays a role. But you can't beat physics. You can't lose weight while you get more calories in to your body than you waste. That's like, impossible. Or you would have very serious health issues.
But that's what some people tell me. And like I said, it took me some time to get that one out of my room mate. I am not saying biology isn't playing a role in how efficient your body deals with calories and turning it in to bodyfat. The truth is, if we had to deal with a famine, maybe I had a much better chance to survive than someone who's a beanpole. Simply because my body can store fat more efficiently. But, if we had to run a way from a hungry Lion ... well you get the picture
This idea though, that someone could gain weight just from thin air because of his genes or that he would not gain anything despite of doing NO activity ...
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I don't disagree. The fact is you probably should be exercising since it does a panalopy of things like bring up your baseline stamina, which consequently, helps you deal with stress.
And the thing is that despite being a beanpole, I actually have fairly good eating habits when I examine them. Sure, I can pig out and eat a carton of ice cream now and then but my serious meals are actually rather nutritionally balanced. (Some good mix of veggies, protein and carbs.)
And outside of sweetened tea, I actually loathe most sugary beverages. Once you know what corn syrup is like, soda never really feels like much of a treat anymore.
And the thing is that despite being a beanpole, I actually have fairly good eating habits when I examine them. Sure, I can pig out and eat a carton of ice cream now and then but my serious meals are actually rather nutritionally balanced. (Some good mix of veggies, protein and carbs.)
And outside of sweetened tea, I actually loathe most sugary beverages. Once you know what corn syrup is like, soda never really feels like much of a treat anymore.
If you'd like to gain weight, try weightlifting. I used to be very much a beanpole (68kg at 1.90m height at my worst), but a proper weightlifting routine brought me up to 95kg now.
Anyway, this should be in the fatshaming thread, not the feminism thread.
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I'd actually add commentary:
It is absolutely wrong of thinking of eating as a chore or "biting the bullet." Unless your tastes change to accommodate an entirely new lifestyle then it's not really a lifestyle change, is it? Eating shouldn't be a chore and some vicious cycle of guilt-fasting.
As Transgender already pointed out, a lot of processed food is actually pretty fucking awful once you see it for what it is. Corn syrup is pretty nasty tasting and has terrible mouth feel for a lot of foods that it's used in. Do not put this stuff in black tea. It is blasphemous.
Changing your habits is about being adventurous and having fun with new things. That's all it takes. Learn to make a salad that you can actually like eating. Beans, tomatoes, cheeses, meats, onions and so on are all things you put in there. Herbs and spices for seasoning. Worry later about acquiring a taste for vinegar and oil, since ranch dressing and the like is a lot of extra calories. A well-made salad can span the spectrum of savory, salty, sweet, sour, tangy and anything in between. Aside from just having crisp mouthfeel.
The same goes for salt. Just use less and less of it and try to find other things to appreciate in your food. After a point you start seeing overly salty foods as horrendously monotone stuff that has been brined to ridiculously dehydrating levels of sodium.
Heck Americans never seem to behave this way.
Our food culture is really impoverished like that.
It is absolutely wrong of thinking of eating as a chore or "biting the bullet." Unless your tastes change to accommodate an entirely new lifestyle then it's not really a lifestyle change, is it? Eating shouldn't be a chore and some vicious cycle of guilt-fasting.
As Transgender already pointed out, a lot of processed food is actually pretty fucking awful once you see it for what it is. Corn syrup is pretty nasty tasting and has terrible mouth feel for a lot of foods that it's used in. Do not put this stuff in black tea. It is blasphemous.
Changing your habits is about being adventurous and having fun with new things. That's all it takes. Learn to make a salad that you can actually like eating. Beans, tomatoes, cheeses, meats, onions and so on are all things you put in there. Herbs and spices for seasoning. Worry later about acquiring a taste for vinegar and oil, since ranch dressing and the like is a lot of extra calories. A well-made salad can span the spectrum of savory, salty, sweet, sour, tangy and anything in between. Aside from just having crisp mouthfeel.
The same goes for salt. Just use less and less of it and try to find other things to appreciate in your food. After a point you start seeing overly salty foods as horrendously monotone stuff that has been brined to ridiculously dehydrating levels of sodium.
Heck Americans never seem to behave this way.
Our food culture is really impoverished like that.
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Now that you mention it. Or food culture and food industry is actually killing us all. Third world or first world, doesn't matter really. It's pretty much one of the most destructive things you can imagine to our planet. Forget about all the cars, coal plants, and oil. It's food.
Seriously, what ever statistics I am looking at, crops, beef, pork, fish. It's all seriously fucked up. Some say more, some say less. But the conclussion really is always the same. Factory farming and excessive industrialisation in food production is fucking up everything. And the joke of it all? We don't even need it! Not. One. Bit! Hell, Germany is THROWING AWAY between 20 and 30 MILLION TONS of food, each year. At home, the grocery store, canteens and cafeterias. Those 20 million alone would be enough to satisfy the needs of everyone.
The sadest part of it all? It's for profit. Nothing more. Nothing less. And we know about this. But we are not willing to change our habits. We want everything, at all times, for the cheapest price. Meat as garnish? Only twice per week? Only apples in the correct season? Fuck you! We want freedom! You vegan fascist. The truth is, with just a few changes here and there we would not even have to really give up on a lot of stuff. You can still keep your beef, pork and chicken. But you can't have it all at the same time and the lowest price. It's not even about the meat in your local grocery store or butcher who's getting his meat from the farm close to your town. It's about fucking Mconalds, Subway and Apple Bees that require this incredible large industry, selling cheap burgers that don't even taste awesome 24 hours every day.
I am sorry that it sounds preachy and and all. But it's just sooo frustrating in my opinion. Seriously. I would not be surprised if the UN or the United Soviets of America, all the nations or who ever is in charge in 50 years would simply one day ban meat. Just like that. Hey? You guys fucked up half of the planet. That's it. It's finished. You had 3 times meat, every day for the last 50 years. Now it's finished. The Planet can't sustain it anymore. No more meat for the next 30 years.
Maybe that's the only way how the world will learn.
Seriously, what ever statistics I am looking at, crops, beef, pork, fish. It's all seriously fucked up. Some say more, some say less. But the conclussion really is always the same. Factory farming and excessive industrialisation in food production is fucking up everything. And the joke of it all? We don't even need it! Not. One. Bit! Hell, Germany is THROWING AWAY between 20 and 30 MILLION TONS of food, each year. At home, the grocery store, canteens and cafeterias. Those 20 million alone would be enough to satisfy the needs of everyone.
The sadest part of it all? It's for profit. Nothing more. Nothing less. And we know about this. But we are not willing to change our habits. We want everything, at all times, for the cheapest price. Meat as garnish? Only twice per week? Only apples in the correct season? Fuck you! We want freedom! You vegan fascist. The truth is, with just a few changes here and there we would not even have to really give up on a lot of stuff. You can still keep your beef, pork and chicken. But you can't have it all at the same time and the lowest price. It's not even about the meat in your local grocery store or butcher who's getting his meat from the farm close to your town. It's about fucking Mconalds, Subway and Apple Bees that require this incredible large industry, selling cheap burgers that don't even taste awesome 24 hours every day.
I am sorry that it sounds preachy and and all. But it's just sooo frustrating in my opinion. Seriously. I would not be surprised if the UN or the United Soviets of America, all the nations or who ever is in charge in 50 years would simply one day ban meat. Just like that. Hey? You guys fucked up half of the planet. That's it. It's finished. You had 3 times meat, every day for the last 50 years. Now it's finished. The Planet can't sustain it anymore. No more meat for the next 30 years.
Maybe that's the only way how the world will learn.
That is most often the direct cause but limiting the reasons to just that is stupid and contributes to the "it's yer own damn fault, fatty" stigma.
Starving yourself is never healthy and rarely lasts.
It doesn't need to be "starving", it just needs to be appropriate to the amount of physical activity. If your daily caloric intake is around 20k, then you better be an elite Strongman competitor.
The post I quoted is quite clearly self-starvation. Eating a few apples a day and going from obese to underweight in nine months is the opposite of healthy.
The "full Auschwitz" kinda gave it away, didn't it?
I went from obese to underweight in nine months, and am now at my optimal weight without giving any consideration to how much of what do I eat and when.
Oh boy.
I went from obese to underweight in nine months, and am now at my optimal weight without giving any consideration to how much of what do I eat and when.
Oh boy.
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But it worked.
Didn't get any fatter in three years, I guess my food cravings are pretty well synced with my energy expenditure.
If something unhalthy works for me, than it must be the right solution for everyone else
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You're absolutely right, people should only ever preach what a bunch of hacks with various abbreviations before their names say is true, not what their own experiences show them, that would be insane!
Sarcasm aside, I didn't get sick once during the whole starvation period.