Father of all bombs

[Paladin Solo]

Sorrow tends to forget HE lives in an unimportant, faraway country

I wouldn't have anything against using this country for such kind of entertainment. After evacuation of all the important people, of course...

Yes, evacuate all the working class and poor, and let the fat, rich, unimportant bastards fight their own wars for a change.

 

[Neamos]

Aren't you overreacting just a wee bit? There was, in total, *one* offhand remark about Putin in this thread and you go off on a tangent about how everyone hates Putin and everyone sees him as a dictator.

Oops. I wasn't really serious in that part, yes that was a hyperbole and an overreaction. Sorry.
And I don't think *everyone* hates Putin and sees him as Hitler, but on every forum I go to more than half threads about Russia will have some idiotic remark how Putin somehow is turning back to communism/fascism, supports the nazis which kill a foreigner now and again (they hate him), and so on. I'm just venting. Again, sorry.

I bet you'd just cringe at the things I hear walking through my college campus...

I bet i'd do.

 

[GreyViper]

Oops. I wasn't really serious in that part, yes that was a hyperbole and an overreaction. Sorry.
And I don't think *everyone* hates Putin and sees him as Hitler, but on every forum I go to more than half threads about Russia will have some idiotic remark how Putin somehow is turning back to communism/fascism, supports the nazis which kill a foreigner now and again (they hate him), and so on. I'm just venting. Again, sorry.

Well its not directly Putin that has annoyed a lot of people but mostly speeches of people like Lavrov. Honestly he should be a comedian some of his stuff is so absurdly comical and over the top yet he says it dead seriously like theres divine warth coaming.

Btw I live in Estonia and altough I wasn't much interested in politics since some of our own are so corrupt. But I was impressed how they got their act togehter at Bronze Night and sucessfuly fended of the shit storm that came from east. I mean the propaganda that came from east was so damn hilarious fact twisting to censure to almost lies It was almost like the news scenes from Babylon 5 when clarke took over. Then there were the embassy blockade by Nashsitom, it was hilarious here we have the almost copy of hitlerjugends group branding whole country as fasicts, hypocrisy indeed.
Ditto about graves of fallen soldiers, it was sooo funny reading how outraged some of the russian politicans were hehe Lavrov again. Then we find about events in Himsk and yet again hypocrisy apparently the graves at homeland weren't that important until it was brought up by others.

The point is nothing is being done without consulting Putin and every action that has been conducted the unofficial bans for products harassment companies that are not russian, etc has had approval from Putin. Even if he didn't know he would since protest are filled but ignored, simply put its politics. Honestly Putin isn't dumb hell got to give him credit for bringing russia where it is now, but honestly you'd think the nostalgia for old CCCP would be over, since these time wont come back again.

As for the bomb testing considering how long this tehnology has been available, its a bit hard to say that its the most powerful. If USA had more powerful id kind of doubt they would come out and brag about it. There are rumors that chechens already had chance to taste fule-air bomb, smaller scale tough.

 

[Brother None]

Clearly, it is a step to Putin (ex-KGB!!!) stunting democracy (PUTIN EATS BABIES) and reinstating a military... state (PUTIN IS HITLER. AND STALIN)(KGB).

Aren't you overreacting just a wee bit? There was, in total, *one* offhand remark about Putin in this thread and you go off on a tangent about how everyone hates Putin and everyone sees him as a dictator.

Yeah, but he's more or less right.

Maybe it's the fact that he's Russian, maybe it's that you fear what you don't understand, maybe it's the fact that Russia is reinserting itself in the power politics of Europe (and why would that be bad?), but there's not a whole lot of informed debate concerning our dear president.

 

[Sorrow]

(and why would that be bad?)

Why wouldn't it be? Maybe the Europe doesn't want Asia in it's power politics?

 

[Brother None]

Why wouldn't it be? Maybe the Europe doesn't want Asia in it's power politics?

Russia is a country with 700 years of history going back of direct contact with Europe, and strong integration from the 1700s onwards.

Whereas a country like Greece has a backwards attitude, government and was an integrated part of a scary Asian empire longer than Russia was a loose part of another scary Asian empire.

Russia is a big country that's dragged Europe's ass out of the fire more often than the US has. They have about as much right to be involved in European politics as the US does. It's a bit inconsistent to start hand-picking countries based on vague determinants like "Asian"

 

[Sorrow]

Russia is a big country that's dragged Europe's ass out of the fire more often than the US has. They have about as much right to be involved in European politics as the US does. It's a bit inconsistent to start hand-picking countries based on vague determinants like "Asian"

Except that, you know, US doesn't tend to threat Europe with atomic weapons.
Also, US didn't invade the Europe and didn't murder my countrymen in collaboration with Nazi Germany.

 

[Brother None]

Except that, you know, US doesn't tend to threat Europe with atomic weapons.

They would if we provoked them.

Also, US didn't invade the Europe and didn't murder my countrymen in collaboration with Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany isn't European?

 

[Sorrow]

Except that, you know, US doesn't tend to threat Europe with atomic weapons.

They would if we provoked them.

So? Threatening with atomic weapons is an act of hostility.
Simply, I'm fed up with all that Cold War bullshit. IMO Russia won't be a worthy addition to Europe until it won't stop living in the last century.

Also, US didn't invade the Europe and didn't murder my countrymen in collaboration with Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany isn't European?

It was. And it isn't Nazi anymore. You know, it's not hostile anymore.

 

[Brother None]

So? Threatening with atomic weapons is an act of hostility.

No, it's a response to an act of hostility. Do get the sequence of events right.

IMO Russia won't be a worthy addition to Europe until it won't stop living in the last century.

I'm sorry? "Addition"? Who was talking about an addition?

It was. And it isn't Nazi anymore. You know, it's not hostile anymore.

Russia isn't communist anymore, and their politics towards Europe aren't even vaguely comparable to the Cold War days. That's just misinformed.

 

[Sorrow]

So? Threatening with atomic weapons is an act of hostility.

No, it's a response to an act of hostility. Do get the sequence of events right.

Really, so now entering an alliance is an act of hostility? Great.

 

[Brother None]

Really, so now entering an alliance is an act of hostility? Great.

A military alliance expanding to the borders is an act of hostility. Not to mention rocket shields along the borders.

Countries that sit around vapidly waiting for their neighbours to build a pretty military offence around them aren't being nice, they're being idiotic.

 

[Mani]

A bomb which probably doesn't explode with the power of more than 20 tons of TNT (that's giving it almost twice the power of the MOAB) is being compared to a nuclear bomb now?

Even small nuclear bunker buster type bombs would have a yield of up to 5 kilotons, or 5000 tons of TNT.

For reference, Hiroshima is estimated at 13 kilotons.

 

[Sorrow]

Countries that sit around vapidly waiting for their neighbours to build a pretty military offence around them aren't being nice, they're being idiotic.

That's why they are in still XX century. They are thinking in outdated, barbaric terms of nationalism.

 

[Brother None]

That's why they are in still XX century. They are thinking in outdated, barbaric terms of nationalism.

*thunk* Finally the quarter drops.

The Hobbensian world versus the Kantian equillibrium of Europe? I'm sorry, I don't usually agree much with that argument, but I do agree here in the sense that the only ones *not* thinking in those terms are the continental EU countries. Everyone else is, not just Russia.

 

[SuAside]

Countries that sit around vapidly waiting for their neighbours to build a pretty military offence around them aren't being nice, they're being idiotic.

That's why they are in still XX century. They are thinking in outdated, barbaric terms of nationalism.

they offered to put the rocketshield inside Russia, thus solving the problem. the US of A of course declined, but thus showing that the shield is also to be used against Russia if needed.

as such, this is a quite hostile act. one far more severe than sending a few bombers to poke some fun with UK's air defenses.

both the USA and Russia are thinking in the same "outdated barbaric terms"...

 

[Sorrow]

*thunk* Finally the quarter drops.

The Hobbensian world versus the Kantian equillibrium of Europe? I'm sorry, I don't usually agree much with that argument, but I do agree here in the sense that the only ones *not* thinking in those terms are the continental EU countries. Everyone else is, not just Russia.

That's why I think that Europe needs... A DOOMSDAY DEVICE !

both the USA and Russia are thinking in the same "outdated barbaric terms"...

And Americans, wondered why there are such strong anti-Amercian sentiments in Europe...

 

[Zaij]

I dunno, seems that kinda thinking is becoming more relevant these days. Liberalism and democracy appears to be receding on all fronts.

 

[GreyViper]

Really, so now entering an alliance is an act of hostility? Great.

A military alliance expanding to the borders is an act of hostility. Not to mention rocket shields along the borders.

If im not mistaking the countries that have joined NATO have done at their own free will, so no problem here. Its that countrys right to do what it wants and no one can come and say: "Hey you can do that."
Besides NATO is a relict from past, no significant threath, what would it do nuke russia? funnily about this logic is that russian goverment dosent see danger from China and North Korea, but in USA whos already starched with the Iraq ocupation. And another thing for while USA was much disliked by Iraq ocupation but russian govements last foregin political moves have made russia nr 1 again.

Countries that sit around vapidly waiting for their neighbours to build a pretty military offence around them aren't being nice, they're being idiotic.

By this logic your saying that european states should be acting acordingly to the latest russian military build up? You know europe never needed big armies why, because there weren't that many outright hostile countries. And it was higly doubtful that Iran would go jihad on europe. That leaves one country that suddenly becoming rather aggressive by threating around with its nuclear arsenal, to counter that threath, hence the Nuke shield.

 

[Sorrow]

I dunno, seems that kinda thinking is becoming more relevant these days. Liberalism and democracy appears to be receding on all fronts.

Well, that fucking sucks.
Not that I like democracy - as someone said - democracy is about majority
choosing who will be oppressed.
But - liberalism, separation of church and state, freedom of speech ...

Maybe it will be better if everyone will go to each others throats...