Father of all bombs

[aries369]

I think it is sad that amnkind uses its powers (again) to build bombs. And not yet any bomb - a vacuum bomb that sucks the air out of all things, including humans, animals and sealife as well.

Maybe this is what is used in the Fatman in Fallout 3??

A sad day it is

And no, I'm not scared by this news. Just mellow and sad...

 

[Sorrow]

Heh ...
It's a good atmosphere to start new EC Comics ...
Looks for his *Weird Fantasy Archives*

I think it is sad that amnkind uses its powers (again) to build bombs. And not yet any bomb - a vacuum bomb that sucks the air out of all things, including humans, animals and sealife as well.

Hey, it could be worse - at least they didn't create an Electron Bomb .

 

[fallout ranger]

You mean an EMP bomb?

 

[GreyViper]

[Sarcasm]Theres always the neutron one, nature friendly and all. Useful for the ethnic cleansing and repopulating the are with you own citizens scenarios.[Sarcasm Off]

 

[Wooz]

What do people here think of this?

"We can blow up the world more times than you!"

 

[Sander]

Yeah, but he's more or less right.

Maybe it's the fact that he's Russian, maybe it's that you fear what you don't understand, maybe it's the fact that Russia is reinserting itself in the power politics of Europe (and why would that be bad?), but there's not a whole lot of informed debate concerning our dear president.

'Our' president? You Russian now, Kharn?

In any case, much of this fear simply stems from leftover Cold War sentiments. Russia has largely been dormant as a world power throughout the '90s, and it's trying to assert itself much more strongly now. Most people see this is harkening back to the days of the USSR, when it was also asserting itself strongly, and simply don't trust Russia. The USA did a great job there throughout the Cold War, apparently.

Of course, it might as well be harkening back to the days of the Napoleonic wars, or simply due to the fact that Russia is one of the biggest nations on earth, but most people's memory doesn't go back 200 years.

Also, am I the only one who sees the development of these bombs as a positive thing? If bombs of that size are going to be used, I'd rather they be these than nuclear weapons. It's not like the world couldn't already be destroyed multiple times over anyway.

 

[Brother None]

If im not mistaking the countries that have joined NATO have done at their own free will, so no problem here. Its that countrys right to do what it wants and no one can come and say: "Hey you can do that."

I don't care if they joined the NATO with a celebration of flowers and cute puppies, it's a military alliance that's pushing the borders.

If Russia made a military pact with Mexico and Canada, how do you think the US would react?

Besides NATO is a relict from past, no significant threath, what would it do nuke russia?

The NATO has not exactly shown that being a relict means it is a peaceful institution, lately, now has it?

funnily about this logic is that russian goverment dosent see danger from China and North Korea, but in USA whos already starched with the Iraq ocupation.

North Korea is a perceived threat. China is an ally. Seriously, wtf?

And another thing for while USA was much disliked by Iraq ocupation but russian govements last foregin political moves have made russia nr 1 again.

Translate?

By this logic your saying that european states should be acting acordingly to the latest russian military build up?

It's their good right to, but they don't need to, because they have an institution watching their back, and that institution has a much more significant military build up than Russia could ever afford.

You know europe never needed big armies why, because there weren't that many outright hostile countries.

...What?

That leaves one country that suddenly becoming rather aggressive by threating around with its nuclear arsenal, to counter that threath, hence the Nuke shield.

I'm not sure how to address this. A claim that Europe does or should perceive Russia as a greater threat than the destabilizing middle east is just preposterous.

'Our' president? You Russian now, Kharn?

Dint of habit.

 

[meson]

so, kharn, your argument is that estonia (and the rest of the baltic states), should be Russias toys?. Russians still clearly believe in "spheres of influence" a la molotov-ribbentrop pact and baltics is in their sphere according to them. Well, I have newsflash for you, we don`t want to be part of the great motherland ever again. Russia has fucked us in the past many times and doesn`t show any signs of remorse (unlike GErmany), NATO is the best guarantee for independence. And I dont see how NATO could be perceived as a threat - now that baltic states are in NATO we invade Russia or somtehing?

 

[Brother None]

so, kharn, your argument is that estonia (and the rest of the baltic states), should be Russias toys?

Where did I say that?

And I dont see how NATO could be perceived as a threat - now that baltic states are in NATO we invade Russia or somtehing?

You don't see how a military alliance that was once founded with an agenda against your nation would be a bother to have on your borders? As much as you might love it if Russia just rolled over and died in reply, it's perfectly reasonable for them to show they're still around and forewarn the US to show it the proper respect.

What's not reasonable here is you. Before you go off on another tangent screaming about the motherland and accusing me of defending some kind of imperial expansionist agenda, you might want to take a deep breath and use your brain instead. You obviously aren't now, something which reflects pretty badly on your country. If you can't consider political problems in a rational way, why should anyone trust you?

 

[Sorrow]

You mean an EMP bomb?

No.

BTW.
Isn't NATO, like a defensive alliance?

 

[SuAside]

You mean an EMP bomb?

i'm guessing he meant a neutron bomb.

 

[Sorrow]

You mean an EMP bomb?

i'm guessing he meant a neutron bomb.

No .

 

[meson]

lol, kharn. you sound like some of those intellectuals who went to ussr in the 1920s and 1930s and came back with glowing reports about peace-loving communist paradise. Russia hasn`t changed, well at least its foreign policy. Estonia is practically under embargo (oil transit is cut due to "railway repairing" which started week after bronze night). Russias warplanes regurarly violate our airspace without apoligies, russia financed the elements who did the looting and marauding during bronze night. Russian media constantly attacks Estonia, according to them we are a fascist/apartheid state. Estonian embassy in Moscow was under siege by nashists for couple of weeks, our ambassador was attacked but russian law enforcement did nothing. They have the means though, if couple hundred opposition members or gays show up they are dispersed quickly with rough measures. Then there were "cyber attacks" which were traced back to russian government agencies. Yeah, all-in-all a pretty good neighbour whos head of state thinks that dissolution of ussr was the bggest disaster of 20th century. We really should feel safe, no need for NATO at all.

 

[Neamos]

Dude, he asked you to use your brain and not go on a tangent (I hope I'm using this word right). Why don't you follow good advice?

This thread is derailed pretty badly, but...
Do you think the rights of Russians in Estonia are A-OK and no Russian schools are being closed so Russians assimilate faster?

 

[meson]

yes, russians are not discriminated here. the only schools that are closing are the ones with not enough children (like in most of europe population isnt growing). and that happens to both estonian and russian schools. of course, russian media talks about only russian schools and puts a twist on it, like it is some sort of estonian conspiracy to kill off russian culture.

and what about my last post? all my points there are legit. Russia doesn`t show any goodwill towards Estonia. Estonians are afraid of what our military might loving neighbour could do, so we joined NATO. I don`t understand what is so terribly wrong about that.

 

[Neamos]

Ah, so that article I read in a Lithuanian newspaper about Russian schools being closed down or made into lithuanian/latvian/estonian schools throughout the Baltic is just a part of Russian imperialist conspiracy. That's nice to hear.

 

[Sorrow]

and what about my last post? all my points there are legit. Russia doesn`t show any goodwill towards Estonia. Estonians are afraid of what our military might loving neighbour could do, so we joined NATO. I don`t understand what is so terribly wrong about that.

I think that Estonia needs... A DOOMSDAY DEVICE !

 

[meson]

Ah, so that article I read in a Lithuanian newspaper about Russian schools being closed down or made into lithuanian/latvian/estonian schools throughout the Baltic is just a part of Russian imperialist conspiracy. That's nice to hear.

you speak lithuanian?

well, I dont know about lithuania and latvia but in estonia no russian schools being converted into estonian ones. its impossible to do even if we wanted to. there just isnt enough teachers around who could teach estonian curriculum. Most teachers in russian schools dont know how to speak estonian, let alone teach in it. so you missunderstood that article or it had misinformation.

 

[Silencer]

Sorrow tends to forget HE lives in an unimportant, faraway country

I wouldn't have anything against using this country for such kind of entertainment. After evacuation of all the important people, of course...

You and what vips? It's pretty lame to be fond of war when you're fucking away, Sorrow.

Now, if you were to give me a gun and martial law...

BTW- we HAVE vacuum bombs.

 

[Sander]

yes, russians are not discriminated here. the only schools that are closing are the ones with not enough children (like in most of europe population isnt growing). and that happens to both estonian and russian schools. of course, russian media talks about only russian schools and puts a twist on it, like it is some sort of estonian conspiracy to kill off russian culture.

and what about my last post? all my points there are legit. Russia doesn`t show any goodwill towards Estonia. Estonians are afraid of what our military might loving neighbour could do, so we joined NATO. I don`t understand what is so terribly wrong about that.

It isn't about 'right' or 'wrong', it's about politics.
Simply put, the fact that Estonia joined NATO *because* they were afraid of Russia is a very, very, very valid reason for Russia to be concerned because this signals very clearly that NATO is an organisaton *against* Russia, or at least being used as such by the Baltic states.