Feminism and why it's bad.

I don't understand the point of "trigger warnings". Okay, you have disturbing content to show, a warning up front is completely fine and reasonable, but trying to cater to every single potential "triggering sensation" of a person to whom you're communicating your ideas is hardly beneficial. If someone can't handle something, then why are they trying to do that? That's forcing something upon yourself and is quite harmful to you, and is also harmful to those around you.

I find it all as a very cheap solution of not facing reality. There are people out there who really have issues and facing certain subjects can be harmful to their well-being - but most of these people who are getting "triggered" are, in my experience, relatively healthy adults who are afraid to face reality. Maybe "afraid" is an improper term here, but I have a hard time finding another more-apt one. They just can't face the facts of the world around us, how horrible things can be, and they prefer the distorted image they create for themselves, or they avoid issues completely. Worse yet, they spread that image and idea around.

In short, I understand the necessity of up-front warnings for some sensitive issues, but I don't understand adult cry-babies who have a hard time confronting those, yet are adamant in doing so.
 
You see, growing behavioral trends in real, young people in social settings are very unimportant. What is important is wether videogames have damesels in distress or if movies are tackling sensitive topics without offending anyone ever at all. Thats where the real issues lie!
 
Astomkilla said:
I don't understand the point of "trigger warnings"
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The point is twofold:
1) It allows students to decide whether or not they want to participate in a specific course. So if they see a course they like but they're not prepared to deal with their specific trauma, and that trauma repeatedly comes up as subject matter in that course, they may choose another one.
2) It allows students to prepare for specific content. So instead of being blindsided by the inclusion of a rape scene in course material, they know what's coming and they're not suddenly surprised.

Both of these functions help students with trauma deal with courses without restricting the content or method of instruction.

Also, as I keep repeating, this is not a way to escape reality. People who are traumatized fundamentally cannot escape reality -- that's the reason that trigger warnings help them, so they have a little more control over their lives and interactions than they normally have. Because in the rest of their life they have no control and are constantly confronted with reminders of trauma. This idea that they're going to college to escape the real word is delusional -- college doesn't mean they don't have to interact with the rest of the world. That's not how anything works.

Walpknut said:
You see, growing behavioral trends in real, young people in social settings are very unimportant. What is important is wether videogames have damesels in distress or if movies are tackling sensitive topics without offending anyone ever at all. Thats where the real issues lie!
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Not the problem, just part of one problem.

Also, please to be citing statistics that show that it is genuinely a "growing behavioral trend" and not just a moral panic based on some anecdotal overreactions, kthxbye.
 
Can't have an open a dialouge in modern day college grounds now because someone might get triggered. I'm sorry people can't stay in their echo chambers forever and have to eventually come and defend their position on things.

We all know the notion of modern day privilege is being described is a total joke. While social economic differences play a big. Most people just paint it as black and white and scrape the bottom of the barrel to paint victim hood. Regressive think it's really a privilege because a white person so happens to be on the ad of a commercial. That is one of many examples. If you really want to try and do some moral grandstanding how about you act like one of those people who comment randomly about kids in africa starving and actually try to make meaningful change to something that is an issue. Africa is in major strife in both war and other means. Nigeria suffer from inefficient farming techniques that prohibit them from actually being able to have sustainable agriculture and feed their population.


I know, the excuse is probably going to be some dead zombie strawman that i'm someone not aware of the plight of modern day women being subjected to cat calling on a daily bases or something like that despite the fact i am one. While we have things we find annoying and what not. If you really want to bring up a semantics game, then we are all privilege in someway or another and thus perpetual victim hood persist..
 
I will Sander, as soon as you show me your statistics on Videogames and tv shows actively causing sexism and racism and not being the other way around.

This is why is useless to argue with this new wave of internet activists. They will willfully and balantly ignore more pressing and complex matters in favor of Pop Culture complaining and easy Black and white narratives. Many teachers, educators and even content creators have already expressed how overly hostile this "trigger warning" happy movement is making everything, and it's not just from these supposed left wing ones, the right wing has gotten into that shit too so this isn't just about bashing these so called "sjws".

There are already so many stories of these supposed equality activists and moral guardians harrassing people for perceived slights on their sensibilities. Multiple psychologists actually postulate that vindictive protectiveness is actually HARMFUL to a mind in development and even to people with mental issues, some even have linked such behaviors as causes of depression and anxiety.
The way people engage in social situations during formative years has a bigger impact on the development of a culture than a 2D picture of boobs simulating physics on a screen.
But I know you are just going to brush it off, I have had this discussion before, so I really won't bother.
 
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the left and the right both feed into trigger warnings (a serious and useful thing co-opted by people who are made semi-uncomfortable by something) and political correctness (which absolutely is not what 95% of people think it is)

the dodgy 'sjws' are authoritarians and should be treated with scorn for that alone

if not their actions show they really don't want equality so much as they want a state in charge to manage everybody

bar a few particularly egregious examples it'd be safer to say that video games perpetuate or enable but do not advance prejudiced thinking by means of subjecting the viewer to more material which they will process in a certain way, which benefits them to do so if only minutely, thus being largely passive and a product of society's attitude(s) rather than a source of it

cats are more important and more intelligent than this debate

cats are love. cats are life.
 
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I hate this new left wing movement and the political correctness that taken to extremes on the internet because it has literally ruined my comic books and video games.

But Im also living in a country where people would either laugh at you or slap you for being this sensitive. So it makes this situation look like another hip trend among the young population and Im really curious what will these extremists on the internet will do in a decade or two.
 
I think the only thing that has been ruined is the envirorment in which to discuss them. It's something that has happened to all dicussions of any form of fiction. Even if you are in favor of diversity and appreciate shows tackling certain topics some people will just go ballistic if you don't go all the way with them, or if you think that the way they tried to accomplish "diversity" was pretty misguided (turnning pre-existing superoes withtheir own identitiy into "Ethnical versions" of white superheroes instead os just making a new character from scratch to fill the role) you will get tugged at by both sides.
 
Fact: people literally never went ballistic while discussing meaningless bullshit before feminism came along and RUINED EVERYTHING FOR EVERYBODY.
 
Buxbaum666 said:
Jedasd said:
it has literally ruined my comic books and video games.
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How exactly does that work?
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I followed Marvel's comics for the last 11 years, since 2010 quality goes down while pandering to a certain crowd goes up(even though quality was debatable long before that to be honest).

For the games, in the last couple of years a game either gets criticized to death because of something these people dont like, even if that game is good, or a writer shoves his political views in our faces during a part of the game that makes no sense and it annoys me greatly.
 
Ah, the good ol' days when men were still men and feminists didn't ruin every single game and comic book. That's all really vague, Marvel has how many ongoing comic books? Does criticism keep you from playing or enjoying games you like?
 
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Buxbaum666 said:
Ah, the good ol' days when men were still men and feminists didn't ruin every single game and comic book. That's all really vague, Marvel has how many ongoing comic books? Does criticism keep you from playing or enjoying games you like?
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As I said it just annoys me in the games, I can enjoy them otherwise.

But for the comics, cancellation of titles Im following and seeing my favorite characters turned into "irrational mary sues that does everything perfect" actually keeps me from enjoying the books I buy. But maybe it wouldnt upset me this much if I didnt have to pay 10 dollars for a 3 dollar issue and get it 2 weeks after the release since stores that bring comic books here are selling each issue for 20.
 
Walpknut said:
I will Sander, as soon as you show me your statistics on Videogames and tv shows actively causing sexism and racism and not being the other way around.
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Not actually a claim I (or anyone, really) ever made. Video games, TV shows and other media both reflect and contribute to the social environment. They reflect it because they're a product of that environment, and they contribute to it because they reinforce certain norms and standards and not others. We have half a century of sociological research backing this up, and we see it at work every day in the form of advertisements and the billions spent on them -- advertisements are little more than capitalism exploiting media's power in shaping the social environment. If you want to disagree with that go ahead, but you're going to have to disprove half a century of research if you want to actually convince anyone. I wish you luck.

And, it should be noted, Anita Sarkeesian and everyone else don't claim it's any more nefarious than that, either. No one's going about trying to ban games or certain games, nor are they actually claiming that video games and other media are the cause of sexism and racism, rather than a product with a more complex relationship to the social environment.

Of course, even if you're right on that part, that doesn't mean you can get away with scaremongering about trigger warnings without actually showing that they are indeed a pervasive and nefarious influence on academia, and not just a largely trivial bit of text that can help victims of trauma.
 
Seriously, did anyone here every made the claim that games, movies etc. would be the source of racism or sexism?
 
Seriously, did anyone here every made the claim that games, movies etc. have been ruined forever by feminism?
 
Akratus said:
Seriously, did anyone here every made the claim that games, movies etc. have been ruined forever by feminism?
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Seriously,
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Also yes.

Jedasd said:
I hate this new left wing movement and the political correctness that taken to extremes on the internet because it has literally ruined my comic books and video games.
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Then your comic book writers suck.



Ohh shit trigger

I said the word suck.

That implies male dominance of the patriarchy.


I have to go check myself into a methadone clinic.

Good thing I have an excuse to do so now...Score!
 
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