Game Informer Fallout 3 article scans

[Fallacy]

Well, NMA has perhaps 500 active posters (and that's being generous). Hardly a significant number by any stretch of imagination. Also considering the attitudes here, it's hardly surprising the dissenting Fallout fans have long since left these forums. As for Bethesda forums, I imagine the most of the people who loathe Fallout 3 are actually DaC/NMA posters. On other gaming forums the reactions have been much more positive.

...If we have only 500 active posters, how are we able to take over other gaming forums, like the Bethesda forums, like the Gamespot forums?

I'm not saying they are singing praises in unison, just saying the reactions are overall more positive than here. Moreover, the Bethesda Fallout forums aren't that active, for example right now only 7 members reading the game informer article thread.

 

[yossa]

You forgot perhaps the most important part, the ending. "Hey you're back, you saved us thanks, now get the fuck out."

Oh drat!

We need more chill here. This is the Fallout we're getting and that's the end of that.

• Pipboy redesign? Who cares? It doesn't look fifties? That's not true.
• Handheld nuclear devices? Is that really that big of a deal?
• Fixed starting age? Show me how age affected player interactions in previous games and I'll shed a tear.

Now the one valid point to feel bad about is the new perspective if you are a fan of iso RPGs, but hey what can we do?

 

[Madbringer]

They are? Fair Use, BABY!

They're not illegal until someone tells us they are. But they are again BGS forum rules, and that's fair, it's their forum.

Aye, that it is. I used the "" emote coz i neither am well versed with nor even really care about copyright laws, especially regarding scans. :E

Anyway, who cares, everyone knows about the scans by now, haha.

 

[Maphusio]

You forgot perhaps the most important part, the ending. "Hey you're back, you saved us thanks, now get the fuck out."

Oh drat!

We need more chill here. This is the Fallout we're getting and that's the end of that.

• Pipboy redesign? Who cares? It doesn't look fifties? That's not true.
• Handheld nuclear devices? Is that really that big of a deal?
• Fixed starting age? Show me how age affected player interactions in previous games and I'll shed a tear.

Now the one valid point to feel bad about is the new perspective if you are a fan of iso RPGs, but hey what can we do?

Or... Turn based play...

 

[override367]

I would entirely disagree that the combat is integral to what made Fallout great, what I will disagree with even more (to the point of fisticuffs!) is that fallout's combat system should be in any way, shape, or form twitch based.

Having never played a first person shooter before in your life or being the grand-champion of counter-strike (or Halo) should have absolutely no bearing on your skills when engaged in combat in Fallout.

It looks like while the new combat system does this when you have AP, it reverts to Oblivion the second you run out. At least that's how I'm reading it, lets hope that it doesn't end up that way.

When faced with a difficult fight the best course of action should be to sit and wait till your AP all come back and then use them again, and during this pause mode you should be able to move at the expense of AP (X number of steps = X number of AP). Basically what I'm saying is that I consider the situation salvagable if all unknown details are favorable, however the chances of that given Bethesda's track record are not good.

That's just how I see things, and I consider myself a not-so-hardcore Fallout fan, but a Fallout fan nonetheless

 

[Sander]

This is something you'll have to figure out on your own. Your site has a chance of getting into contact with the devs; I do not. Gone for real now though. The forward guard of the Ignorance Brigade's showing up (not you, you're A-OK with me).

You don't get it, do you?
There has been contact with developers ever since they first bought the license. That's not the point. We have communicated with them for all this time, and mostly on friendly terms.

But have they listened to that? No, they haven't. Yet you're suggesting that we do exactly what most people have been doing for two years now, apparently without any effect. And you call us ignorant?

I'm not saying they are singing praises in unison, just saying the reactions are overall more positive than here. Moreover, the Bethesda Fallout forums aren't that active, for example right now only 7 members reading the game informer article thread.

Err...the Beth forums are pretty damned active. You can't just take a selective, one-thread sample and say 'they're not active'.

100% true, posting mag scans is illegal.

No, it isn't. Fair use and journalism.

 

[Brother None]

I'm not saying they are singing praises in unison, just saying the reactions are overall more positive than here.

Oh, I'll give you that, but it's not like any place is gushingly positive about it, except those places that would be positive even if what Bethesda was showing us was Fallout: BoS II, literally (I mean Something Awful, Kotaku, QTT, those kind of places. The type of people that'll buy the game just to spite us. Good consumerbase, that, but not a majority)

Now the one valid point to feel bad about is the new perspective if you are a fan of iso RPGs, but hey what can we do?

What about the combat? Not valid?

 

[Sander]

Now the one valid point to feel bad about is the new perspective if you are a fan of iso RPGs, but hey what can we do?

What about the combat, or the ridiculous Super Mutant-look?

 

[FeelTheRads]

Handheld nuclear devices? Is that really that big of a deal?

You really can't see how retarded it is?

It's basically "OMG! Post nuclear game! Let's add nuclear weapons! Because.. that would certainly fit! Yeah!"

Yes, it's a big deal. It's a big deal, because it adds a high-dose of retardation to an already butchered game.



And what the fuck is with people being so sure this will be a great game (not a great Fallout). How the hell do you know it will be a great game?

 

[Maphusio]

Here is a sticky on Beth's forums

GStaff wrote:

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I wanted to give you guys a reminder about our policy on these given the news about GameInformer's cover story.

This is from our Forum Rules sticky:

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You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this bulletin board.

So no magazine scans or links to scans on other sites. Likewise, we don’t tolerate anyone transcribing the article and posting that, links to it, etc.

Our moderators will be keeping an eye on these (removing links, handing out warnings, suspensions, and so on).

Thanks,

Gstaff

http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=707790

...So I guess according to Beth's wacky WACKY forum rules we are somehow in violation of "copyrighted" material.

 

[yossa]

Or... Turn based play...

What about the combat? Not valid?

What about the combat

I will risk an argument that yes indeed it is not a valid point to get uppity about. You can aim, there are critical hits, it's stat based, you can take your time. Unpausing the game to recharge APs will feel like hitting the end turn button (for me at least and based on the information I gather from the article).

the ridiculous Super Mutant-look?

Hey, nobody told the guy how he should mutate!

It's basically "OMG! Post nuclear game! Let's add nuclear weapons! Because.. that would certainly fit! Yeah!"

Yes, it's a big deal. It's a big deal, because it adds a high-dose of retardation to an already butchered game.

I'm sorry you feel that way. In any case, may I try to put a smile on your face - with nuke gun you'll be able to quickly take care of those horrible "un-fallouty" muties.

 

[Ausir]

Well, I would agree that it is a copyright violation. Fair use would only apply to quoting parts of the article, not posting scans/transcripts of the entire article.

 

[Brother None]

Well, I would agree that it is a copyright violation.

Moot point until the copyright holders step up.

...So I guess according to Beth's wacky WACKY forum rules we are somehow in violation of "copyrighted" material.

They don't allow scans, legal or illegal, they only allow scans that either Bethesda or the poster of the scans holds the copyright to. Old rule.

I will risk an argument that yes indeed it is not a valid point to get uppity about. You can aim, there are critical hits, it's stat based, you can take your time. Unpausing the game to recharge APs will feel like hitting the end turn button (for me at least and based on the information I gather from the article).

Impressive read, because I thought the article read "this is a nerfed RTwP system." I know we can theorise about how RTwP could be ideal, but in reality, how many times has RTwP not sucked, badly?

Hey, nobody told the guy how he should mutate!

Not the point. Orcs don't fit the Fallout feel.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Beth has chosen to cater to the greater majority in the interest of sales. Sad but true.

More people now want FPS with eye candy. Therefore to make as much money as possible they catered to that crowd.

But what does disturb me is that NMA has been blacklisted and the development team has never once invited a hardcore fan or mod such as BrotherNone to take a peek or offer some input.

Again I point to Stardock and Galactic Civ 2 and frogboy. Not only does that company ASK and PERMIT serious fan interaction from day 1 but they continue to work with the gamers to improve the game.

When Master of Orion 3 started to go wrong you saw the same response that Beth is doing. The only difference I believe is that F3 will succede from the viewpoint of Beth. They will make a bunch of money from the FPS crow, pat themselves on the back, and move onto the next Oblivion clone.

 

[ManiO]

I'm sorry you feel that way. In any case, may I try to put a smile on your face - with nuke gun you'll be able to quickly take care of those horrible "un-fallouty" muties.

The one thing that puts a smile to my face concerning this thing is the fact I can choose not to play it. But other than that I won't smile for a while, until I reinstall Fallout 1 & 2.

 

[Jimmious]

yossa when looking at these scans what kind of a game do you see?
If I didn't know the name of the game I'd say FPS without hesitation. Maybe with some other stuff like aiming body parts at your own leisure, but still FPS.

However knowing that the game is called Fallout 3 forces the RPG element into my mind. But I'm sure it'll go away as soon as I see some gameplay.

 

[override367]

Actually I would beg to differ. I think the FPS market is beginning to get oversaturated, this month alone we have 3 AAA shooters released on the Xbox360. Look at the xbox360 lineup for the next year, half the friggin top shelf games are first person shooters!

They might actually do better with something different

 

[bluurg]

Locked into a 19 yr old looking for his daddy is also a roleplaying concern. I don't want to be no emo kid. I'd like to think dialoguye would let us choose our own reasons for being out there - 'I dont give a shit about my father'
'I want to kill my father'
etc.

At least let us change the age.

This is major shit for me. I know to most people on here (as I'm guessing most of you are late teens/early twenties) this is the least of your concerns, but I'm in my 30s and I really, really don't want to play a game as a 19 year-old vault dweller, especially one who is off looking for "dad". It just ruins it for me, more than the orc with war-hammer even. Funny how it's right on the money though. What else can you expect seeing as Bethsoft is producing it and it's a console game. Just shows how it all goes wrong from the very beginning though, the genius devs working on this game not even realizing the importance of allowing a player to set his own age. Shit, you can choose your character's race but not his or her freakin' age? Verily, that really sucks.


And hey, since the screenshots are all X-Box 360, is it safe to assume that this is being developed on the 360 and will then be ported to the PC?

 

[Maphusio]

I'm sorry you feel that way. In any case, may I try to put a smile on your face - with nuke gun you'll be able to quickly take care of those horrible "un-fallouty" muties.

The one thing that puts a smile to my face concerning this thing is the fact I can choose not to play it. But other than that I won't smile for a while, until I reinstall Fallout 1 & 2.

Correction, choose not to play it and tell others not to play it if it indeed turns out to not be Fallout 3 as we now suspect.

 

[ManiO]

They might actually do better with something different

Yeah, just look at Hollywood and all those people wiping their asses with 20 dollar bills because of some original idea.

The fact is, the mass market has a rather one track mind.

@Maphusio, I'll try of course but I doubt those who'll want to play it will listen