Vehementi said:
This analogy holds no water, nor does it apply in real life. E.g. the projects the fallout devs worked on before fallout were largely retarded.
Gee did any of the Fallout devs have a history of taking over a franchise simplifying it and by doing so alienating some of it's original fanbase, then producing a further even simpler game which not only continued to alienate some of the original fanbase but also some of the new fanbase they had created? Was Fallout the highly anticipated sequel to an existing IP that used the engine from a previous game, they had produced, which was totally unlike the games it was meant to be a sequel to?
Vehementi said:
This is obviously a fallacy, but may be worth it for your extremely closed echo-chamber of a community to consider: if all of these newcomers are coming in with the same common-sense response to your view of FO3/Bethsoft/etc., perhaps there's something to it and your view is pretty screwed up.
Or maybe they saw the response to the first poster to express such views and decided to jump on the bandwagon to elicit even more, perhaps extreme, responses for their own entertainment.
Vehementi said:
Like the post that other guy cross-site trolled about, the point is that people are saying "THIS GAME WILL SUCK" like they have magical knowledge, instead of saying "I don't like the direction this is going, it doesn't seem true to the original." Amusingly, despite all these people having played fallout 3 and knowing for sure that it really is going to suck when it gets released to the public, they say (or even if they don't say, they will do it anyway) that they will buy it in case they're wrong and it's good. If that's a possibility, why do you keep whining about how it can't possibly be good given the solid facts we've been given? You admit yourself that you just don't know.
It might be the best FP with RTwAP that's ever released on the 360, but will it be a Fallout game? Nope, therefor it'll sucketh! Why won't it be a Fallout game, because did Fallout have FP exploration or combat? Nope, did Fallout have Real time with Action Points? Nope, does game play matter? Yes!
Do the graphics look like the game graphics improved? Like the splash/loading screens from Fallout improved? Do the graphics look like the 3d cutscene sequence improved? Nope, no and nein! Does that mean they've got the setting right? Probably not.
Fallout is more than the sum of it's ingredients, and if it's impossible to define what makes Fallout, how can any ingredient be tossed aside without totally changing the recipe? On the other hand using better quality ingredients can vastly improve the experience without risking ending up with bread when you were baking a cake. Turn based combat could be polished up without having to be totally reinvented and shoe horned into real time. Graphics could be improved without being totally redesigned, even if technical issues such as clipping might require some changes. People might laugh at the consternation over the baggy vault suits, but if they were making Elite Force 3 instead, and the screenshots showed Star Fleet uniforms so changed you can bet there'd be the same if not bigger outcry.
Vehementi said:
I mean seriously, go back through this thread and read some of the incredibly appalling posts about people wishing 9/11 on Bethsoft for this review by a third party, or the people threatening to boycott/prevent sales or the people saying that fallout is for sure dead and there's no possibility of resurrection and making emo run-on sentences about death and making image macros to that effect or the guys (I think from a different post) who say "If you don't have anything bad to say [about Bethsoft], don't say anything at all" and to "not collaborate to make the game better". It's fucking delusional and you should be seriously concerned for the mental health of some of these people.
Have you never heard of venting? Is it mentally healthy to bottle things up or is it better to vent in a controlled venue. Do people not have the right to not buy the game if they don't like what they see? Do you think anyone (other than Psychosniper) would really go to their offices? Do you really expect them to start listening to the fans and change things? Would you really want so Bethesda pr drive using your positive posts to twist the knife in, especially if they didn't implement anything you'd suggested?
Given the confusion and reaction to the article etc don't you think that Bethesda would issue some sort of statement to clear things up if the third party reviewer had gotten things wrong?
