Unillenium said:
Angry_Games said:
so....after just finishing Fallout 1 for the first time in about 8 years (playing through them both again while waiting for Fallout3), googled around here and there, and happened to see a link at Gamespot that led to this thread.
And after reading it..
ETC ETC ETC.
Anyhow.
- We have more than just the teaser trailer.
- Don't compare us to 'right wing nut jobs' just because we have an opinion about something.
Read what he said. He's not comparing you to right wing nut jobs
just because you have an opinion, he's comparing you to right wing nut jobs because you're fed a scrap of information and try to infer all these ridiculous things about it, magnify any tiny thing that you think is wrong and make a huge deal of it. (I have laughed several times daily at the people who are honest-to-god concerned about the new vault suits being not-skin-tight, LOL!)
But I can't understand how everyone assumes Fallout3 is going to suck because they personally didn't like Oblivion.
Billy doesnt like bees, therefore billy doesnt like bee larvae.
This analogy holds no water, nor does it apply in real life. E.g. the projects the fallout devs worked on before fallout were largely retarded.
It seems that a lot of you have put all your emotions into the hate basket already without realizing something so important that it's odd to me that you don't already see it....that everyone's perception of something is slightly different than everyone else's.
Thusfar you've admitted to having lurked around here, found a forum post from people who all share a common view that you don't happen to share and have posted a 500 word essay on just how wrong they are for having that opinion. So you may as well have cut down the post and summed it up by saying "I am trolling."
Another bit to think about is just how popular the Elder Scrolls series really is. Extremely popular. It's no insult to anyone here that hates the series or a specific game to hear that regardless of how much you hate it, it's a smashing success. I don't think I've seen a single positive comment in this thread about the game (nor about Oblivion). Mostly I see the same mindless internet-style message board hate that I see in tech forums (INTEL SUXORS OMG!!! and yet the guy saying it probably never used an Intel anything so how could he make such a statement?), blogs, etc.
Once again you have the consitutional right to abstain from participation in this forum if it's contents offend you.
Anyways I read it once and to comment on specific portions I have to re-read it and I just woke up. Bottom line I gaurantee you this man is in some way affiliated with Bethesda Softworks and the way to know is if a 1 time poster actually comes back to comb for responses to his post.
No. I was trolling. This person is clearly not trolling. Learn the difference.
You guarantee he's involved with bethsoft because of that post? You guarantee it? How much money will you give me once an administrator confirms he isn't one? Honestly, you're making you and all your friends look incredibly stupid every time one of you claims somebody who is
obviously not being a fanboi in any way is in fact being paid by bethsoft.
- Fallout 3 will be true to the original games because "what Fallout is" can be defined arbitrarily
It turns out this is true, despite the stuff Sander posts about objective proofs and analysis while breaking forum rules and insulting and swearing at other posters.
I didn't expect you to, after all, it's from Tactics Laughing
These threads actually made me reinstall tactics last night
Are you guys all working off similar templates, or is it just one person rejoining under different aliases. It's always the same stupid story:
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Is there any way to at least see if these "standard" pro-Beth posts are originating from the same IP?
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This is obviously a fallacy, but may be worth it for your extremely closed echo-chamber of a community to consider: if all of these newcomers are coming in with the same common-sense response to your view of FO3/Bethsoft/etc., perhaps there's something to it and your view is pretty screwed up.
See above for the retardedness of your bethsoft plant claims etc.
First person is not the only way to immerse a gamer.
Nobody said it wasn't, but the claim is that first person is a good/better way to immerse the gamer. It not being the ONLY way is not a valid argument that it should not be used to immerse the gamer, despite it having been done in the past a different way.
I think most of us can't wait for FO3 (to a point), which is why we're so easily upset by the evidence available. Not one person here who says "it will suck" is not going to at least read reviews when the game comes out, hoping against hope that it didn't suck after all.
No, see, this is
exactly what he's referring to. The fact that you take it for granted that a fan
should be upset by the evidence available. Aside from the fact that the evidence is minuscule (you only know for sure that it'll be FPV, e.g. but whining about how "super mutants seem prevalent and this is bad canon!" is incredibly dumb because you are, again, watching the review some guy wrote about a press tech demo he was shown), this is a ridiculous and unhealthy view to have. Evidence of this is furthered by you (the collective you -- I've lost track) inferring from this that I or he is a Bethsoft fanboi/plant and/or defending and/or liking whatever games or other companies you deem wrong, when we haven't done that at all.
How can you NOT have an opinion on a game you CAN'T WAIT for, after being given information that shows it's most basic concepts are going to be far astray from what you would expect from a Fallout sequel?
Like the post that other guy cross-site trolled about, the point is that people are saying "THIS GAME WILL SUCK" like they have magical knowledge, instead of saying "I don't like the direction this is going, it doesn't seem true to the original." Amusingly, despite all these people having played fallout 3 and knowing for sure that it really is going to suck when it gets released to the public, they say (or even if they don't say, they will do it anyway) that they will buy it in case they're wrong and it's good. If that's a possibility, why do you keep whining about how it can't possibly be good given the solid facts we've been given? You admit yourself that you
just don't know.
I mean seriously, go back through this thread and read some of the incredibly appalling posts about people wishing 9/11 on Bethsoft for this
review by a third party, or the people threatening to boycott/prevent sales or the people saying that fallout is for sure dead and there's no possibility of resurrection and making emo run-on sentences about death and making image macros to that effect or the guys (I think from a different post) who say "If you don't have anything bad to say [about Bethsoft], don't say anything at all" and to "not collaborate to make the game better". It's fucking delusional and you should be seriously concerned for the mental health of some of these people.
" I occasionally see here. The problem is when people say things like this:
