Game of Thrones - The night dark and full of spoilers.

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Crni Vuk, May 21, 2019.

  1. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    What the hell have I just watched.

    The last episode of the last season is done and it's finished. But that pretty much was my reaction. This is not adressed at people that genuiely liked this season or are happy with how everything ended, more power to you, seriously go and enjoy it. That's fine.

    But this is more of a, 'how has this become the end?' topic, to express my utter disappointment. As I can only say, Season 7 and even more so Season 8 was really disappointing. In many ways.

    Well, where to begin? When thinking about the show as a whole, Season 1-3 was very good, with Season 4-6 beeing close enough, but 7 and 8 took a very sharp turn and the quality of the show droped heavily over time.

    And I wonder now, what the hell happend? How could it take such a turn after a really good start. Was it really because there no more source material for the writers to fall back on? I never read the books, a Song Of Ice And Fire by George R.R. Martin, which Game of Thrones is based on. However the show is only till Season 4 or 5 based on the books, since the book series is not yet finished. But from Interviews Martin gave the writers of the show David Benioff and D. B. Weiss also known as D&D, notes and he told them what kind of end he had in mind for his book series. So has the quality really suffered because the writers run out of source material? Could that be it. Or did the D&D simply lost their interest? Which is also a possibility. It seems they always wanted to finish the TV show in 7 seasons, while HBO suggested to do it in 10. It seems they kinda agreed on 8. Apparantly D&D will also move soon enough to work for Disney on the new Star Wars trilogy. It does fee a lot likel the writers kinda gave up on the project at some point and simply wanted to be done with it and this is one of the huge issues with the last few seasons. Rushed plot lines and character archs that make no sense.

    But of course that's all just speculation. Anyway it's kinda sad how a quality show was ruined.

    So, what's your opinion and feelings?
  2. GonZo_626

    GonZo_626 Well Shit!

    Jul 29, 2016
    I have a feeling that with knowing it was ending, and that they were going to get the viewers no matter what (seriously we would have watched it no matter how bad it was) that the writers and HBO phoned the whole last 2 seasons in. I don't think that the general plot was that bad, but it could have been expanded on and filled in for a much better ending.
  3. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I am not sure about HBO though, I think they would have gladly paid for more seasons as it's a money printing machine for them.

    Honestly, I really feel all of this was on the writers and they are the only ones to blame here.

    For the longest while, the general impression has been that Game of Thrones episodes are incredibly difficult and costly to produce, resulting in a shorter run time to keep the budget manageable at a TV level. That assumption, it appears, was only partially true. Old interviews have surfaced revealing that HBO was open to having more episodes in Game of Thrones and even more seasons, if needed. That same interview claims Benioff and Weiss actually wanted to end the show at Season 7, but HBO coaxed them into making another final season, greenlighting the budget for the necessary set pieces.
    HBO was even willing to turn Game of Thrones into a big-budget summer blockbuster movie, telling Benioff & Weiss, “We’ll give you the resources to make this what it needs to be, and if what it needs to be is a summer tentpole-size spectacle in places, then that’s what it will be”. If that’s the case, budget was clearly not an issue since a Game of Thrones summer blockbuster movie would’ve easily cost north of $200 million to produce.

    George R. R. Martin, whose books have been exceptionally long, was himself of the opinion that the show could easily run past 10 seasons. This was his response when being asked back in 2018 on why Game of Thrones was coming to an end.

    I don’t know. Ask David and Dan when they come through. We could have gone to 11, 12, 13 seasons, but I guess they wanted a life. If you’ve read my novels, you know there was enough material for more seasons. They made certain cuts, but that’s fine. — George R. R. Martin on why Game of Thrones is ending.​

    Apparantly HBO was willing and ready to give them all the ressources they needed.

    The plot, was not the issue here. However, past Season 5 or 6 the tone of the show shifted. I do think it completely lost what it made it great in the first place. Good character archs and story telling. No one gives a fuck who sits on the iron throne, if it's not earned - plot whise.

    For example having a character that always expressed that he's not a typical human anymore, that he has no ambitions and is living in the past and doesn't want to rule anything, is more than willingly to become the leader of Westeros and sit on the iron throne, like he was 'always' meant to be? That's simply shitty writing. Just like most of the dialogues in Season 8. You have characters, acting not like the chracaters they have been. Tyron trusting several times his sister, Jamie getting back to her, Varys beeing an awfull master of spies and so much more. It's like the show was a badly written fan fic with a million dollar budged.
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  4. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Yer fond of me Lobster!

    Oct 26, 2016
    You witnessed the two most powerful men in all of Westeros burn it all to the ground.
  5. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish Snug Rubber

    Sep 11, 2010
    I've watched all seasons, I even own a couple of as dvd sets, apart from the last season.
    I usually don't jump onto something just because it is out. I engage with it until I feel like it.
    So maybe it's because I'm "just not into it right now", but I just didn't care at all about the shitshow it became.
    And it makes me wonder just how jaded I've become after seeing franchises I love get brutalized over and over again.

    If anything I've had a blast just watching people tear it apart and, well, I just can't shake the irony of it all that this great show will forever be ruined by such a shitshow of an ending. Dexter had a bad ending too but I could just stop watching it after Season 4 and feel satisfied with where the story went, but you can't have Game Of Thrones without its full run. To me it's simply delicious to watch it crash and burn. Everything I've loved has been scorched and no one gave a shit because it is all niché at this point. As much as I want the series to have had a good end I just can't help but feel enormous schadenfreude for it.

    It sucks, but it's also hilarious. One of the greatest tv-shows ever made has the worst ending ever (in contrast to the rest of the series and its source material).

    Hell, I want more things to just crash and burn, maybe then the unwashed masses would actually start giving a shit and hold things to a damn standard for once. Could be a good wakeup call for a lot of people to pay fucking attention to what's going on around them and demand that things meet a level of quality. But I doubt it, so it'll just be funny to watch other people's favorite toys getting burned to nothing.

    Maybe that makes me a bit of an asshole but after seeing everything I love being ruined I just don't give a shit anymore. This will keep happening so long as people don't hold the powers that be's feet to the fire whenever they fuck up and if the audience just keeps coming back time and time again no matter what they do. To me it just doesn't matter anymore. I do find enjoyment out of the people frothing at the mouth in rage over the ending tho'.

    Can't wait for more things to be thrown on the pyre.

  6. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Makes you wonder though, what George R.R. Martins opinion is about how they did it, since he if I get things correctly, insisted on the writters D&D, after he had the feeling they would do his story justice. Well. Funny how that one turned out. I mean they pretty much took a big giant dump on it. Then setting it on fire and dancing around it.
  7. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Now I've never read the books. But they are literally phone book thick and the second they out paced them they could no longer condense something down into a show but now had to replace an object you could actually beat somebody to death with. To do this and make progress in the story they went with the tired and true trope of making everybody a moron. Need A to happen but Character wouldn't allow it? They had a small stroke in their sleep and are now slightly brain damaged. Need Zombies to cause an Apocalypse. Military just forgot how to aim guns now. The Evil Emperor is dead but his Empire still lives, not anymore they were all playing by king of the hill rules. However People seem to be blowing it out of proportion, which is hilarious to watch. Idiots who named their kid after a character on a TV show getting mad because they missed the obvious signs she was not a very good person. People upset the character who didn't want to be king, wasn't made king. But the one thing we must remember is this.

    This is all racist.
  8. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Little lady with the mouth of a sailor

    Jun 15, 2015
    From what I heard HBO told D&D that if they needed to make more episodes for this season they can and will give them more money to make season 8 episodes only for D&D to say; " No. Were good. We just want to get this shit done with and move on to Star Wars. That Disney money is too much to pass up!"
  9. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Yer fond of me Lobster!

    Oct 26, 2016
    It's clear they were sick of the series. You'd want to barf too if your contributions ultimately aspired to fulfilling fan service sequences like Clegane-bowl and other nonsense. The plot armor is too thick for major characters, the general audience is too dumb to accept that mary-sues and gary-stus are expendable pawns in the GRRM universe.

    A fat scribe just rolls around flailing killing undead wights who are too dumb to realize they have weapons and numbers to just swarm him. He's Bombur the dwarf comically stuffed into a barrel. Substitute axes for daggers, beard for neckbeard, and barrel for overcoat. It's the river-sequence of the Hobbit all over again.

    A bastard runs around on the outside of the castle despite there clearly being thousands of wights surrounding him. Even after surrounding him they slowly shamble over to him - the narrative and visual equivalent to a Bond villain leaving the room expecting the laser to cut James Bond in half when it reaches him.

    Arya can't decide if she's an uber-edge-lord-teleports-behind-you assassin, or a scared little girl. Thankfully, the Hound finally convinces her that life is worth living.

    Jaime and Brienne are pressed and held against the wall by thousands of wights who were earlier just hacking and stabbing Barric mercilessly. Bronn just teleports to an inn, punches Tyrion in the face, threatens to kill Jaime, and gets promoted to coin master. Why? We need a funny, throw away line about brothels. Bran doesn't care - he needs to keep an eye out for a rogue dragon!

    The end result of the battle reveals a handful of soldiers left alive but scenes later they still have half of the Unsullied. The Retardothraki are still alive and well despite charging blindly (and all dying) into a literal wall of undead. They forgot they died I guess.

    Logistics comes up maybe twice in the whole season but who cares when Euron's fleet can just teleport around to kill Dragons so they can set up the Mad Queen arc better. Panama canal called and they want their claim to fame back.

    Jon comes full circle and accomplishes nothing outside of killing his incestuous aunt and convincing people that the Night King is really mad at them. He doesn't even face-off against the Night King - our resident BPD assassin gets him. You GO girl - we don't want the audience members who cosplay and identify as you to get upset!

    You've been a naughty boy Jon Snow and we need to banish you to the wall because those dickless soldiers who are sailing to a land far, far away will get mad if we don't.

    It's all a joke. Just eat the slop before the slaughter.
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  10. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Little lady with the mouth of a sailor

    Jun 15, 2015
    Dude, it's all about subverting those expectations! It's the new, hip and artistic thing to do in Hollywood and games now that makes your work look "deep" and "artistic" and totality not a excuse for bad and lazy writing.
  11. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Ha ha! you thought that maybe A,B, or C might happen. No I'm clever so here is X,Ω, and ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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  12. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    It's pretty impressive how from season five to eight they managed to fuck up literally every character.
  13. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Fossil

    Apr 7, 2017
    Oh look, another show that started out great but over time turned into shit.
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  14. Alphons

    Alphons National Beholder

    Aug 9, 2017
    When words aren't enough...

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  15. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    The showrunner had lost interest in their own show since the latter half of season 5. I had zero expectation from season 8.

    That being said, the first half of season 8 was so boringly predictable, that the twist with Daenerys was refreshing. At least something was happening.
  16. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016

    Are you seriously advocating for that "subverting your expectations" skulch even at the expense of natural character development?
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  17. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Yer fond of me Lobster!

    Oct 26, 2016
    Even though Clegane-bowl was just pathetic and predictable, it would have been really neat if as part of Arya's arc she goes back and finds the Hound broken and bloodied after pushing his brother out of the tower. Bring it back to Season 4 when she last saw him beaten and broken by Brienne. They share a few laughs, he tells her that he's proud of her, she thanks him for protecting her. She realizes there's more to life than revenge because look at path it led him down. Bloody and miserable. She helps ease him into his death after that, after having denied him a mercy killing in season 4.

    They could have done that whole King's Landing omg-ptsd-explosion-fest through someone who actually lived in King's Landing, like Davos or something.
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  18. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Dec 6, 2016
    I watched until the episode that Barristan was killed.

    AWESOME show technically, but the writing was turning into something.....not that great.

    Decide to wait for the rest of the books (lol if I knew) since I actually started to read before the show existed. The first season premiered more or less on the date they released the third book here in Brazil.

    I read the spoilers of the latter season and could hardly believe it. To something not so good for a complete abortion.

    Good thing I did not waste my time.

    And yes, the books are getting worse with each new edition. Dance of Dragons sux. Fuck Khaleesi.
  19. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016

    People who refer to Dany as khaleesi bug my ass to pieces. May as well refer to cersei as queen or Tyrion as dwarf.

    Next time you see a police officer I want you to ignore his name and just be like ''hello police".

    To be fair a feast for crows and a dance with dragons were supposed to be one book but publishing them as one volume would have been, simply put, unfeasible. So book four was awkwardly split between westeros and Essos into two novels.
  20. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Little lady with the mouth of a sailor

    Jun 15, 2015
    I will say though, that Daenerys becoming ruined for annoying third wave feminist and SJW's on Twitter, The Mary-Sue and RetardEra is quite possibly one of the funniest things I have seen in a long time. No more "Yaas slay queen! It's her turn!" being shown on Twitter, articles or threads. Their precious progressive feminist queen is literally Dragon Hitler. Which is exactly what would happen if any of these insane weirdos ever got a smidge of power.
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