Gamespy on Fallout fans

[Brother None]

Odd, I thought the GameFAQS Fallout forum was nearly completely unmoderated for a long time, considering what goes on there. Very odd.

 

[quietfanatic]

I read in the paper today that internet defamation cases could be filed in Australia against any defendant irrespective of location, although only Australian assets would be considered for any compensation, making that fairly useless I assume (can't find the article to check at the moment). We don't have much legal protection of freedom of speech, but people don't seem to bother wasting their time and money on addressing defamatory remarks on the net.

 

[Smoke_Jaguar]

Fuck you quiet fanatic. Sue me.

That's a ton of fun right? It's funny for me as some people won't excersice their rights, but always seem to resort to legal consequences, even when they never seen the inside of a courtroom. Laws only apply when people fear the execution of law, not just some words in some penal code they'd never read.

Read SA's articles "Legal threats" to see what internet retards think law is.

 

[Seraphim Pwns U]

Sorry, I just wanted to make clear that Allen is no longer in any way working for...well, anyone but GameSpy. Someone referred to him as a "game developer," "ex-game developer" or "ex-developer turned editor" would have been more clear. I didn't mean to call you out for not using his appropriate former title.

My apologies, since I called him as such. Don't know if anyone else did, I tend to get single-minded when direct dialogue occurs. lol.

Well, why even bring it up? It seemed like you were implying that excluding gamers was inappropriate. If not, what was the point?

Out of concern for him and GS... If he's willing to step on our toes, who else's toes might he be willing to squash as well? And is Gamespy prepared for any more toe-stomping?

In terms of, well, making the community response resonable...Allen's a huge Fallout fan. A stupidly devoted Fallout fan. and for the reasons -- the context -- he talks about in the 'cast, it just drove him nuts to hear people ragging on the project when they knew nothing other than "Bethesda's developing it." Like Howard hinted, like I've mentioned on a few forums regarding previews, early bad hype can kill something as fragile as a game -- dead. And so when he hears people spout off, possibly killing the latest game in a series he'd basically given up hope of seeing a sequel for, his reaction is "trying to protect the franchise which we enjoy so much."

Completely understandable. But I have to say that he sounded so irate, that he had no context... he skipped from one rant to another, with the whole "they said Bethesda'll make it suck" seeming but an afterthought, and not the context, of his rage.

The thing that sucks, is that a bad game can kill a franchise equally dead, irrespective of the hype or anti-hype. [muttering] That being said, I'm really suprised that GS gave Master of Orion 3 and Lords of the Realms 3 both three stars... you guys give them too much credit. You guys save the one- and two-stars for travesties like Superman 64? [/muttering] And personally, I don't want to see that happen... I don't think anyone does.

>8 snippedy do dah 8<
-- understandable position regarding a community that allows people who threaten murder ... to remain in their ranks.

Here's to hopin' the whole thing blows over. I'd hate to see Mr. Rosche lose his job, or any other such nastiness, over such an indescretion. But I would like him to get a thorough talking-to... I mean, would Warrior, Fargo, and Sluggo, put up with it, if those comments were directed at them? After all, I've always been taught, that, at the end of the day, the consumer is truly any company's boss... ya know?

I really appreciate having someone who seems focused on just getting the game they dream of out -- so sorry if I come across as cranky here. I'm about ready to drop for the day, but your post seemed like it deserved an answer tonight.

^_^


Naw, not cranky. But I think some warm milk with honey in it, and spending some 'quality time' with your favorite reading material in an inner room, might just cure it. ^_~

 

[Sorrow]

but at the same time all of GameSpy is being judged by one editor's voice -- and all of his contributions are being judged by one frustrated sentance. Honestly, his clear issue -- as mentioned in the podcast -- is with people attacking Fallout 3 as soon as they knew Bethesda had the license, and not a thing otherwise. And even then, the issue isn't that he "wants to offend them," it's that they're attacking something that they know, literally, nothing about (since, hey, there wasn't anything to know yet). It's a lot more clear when listened to, as opposed to in an edited transcript.

The problem is that we are right. Bethesda isn't making a cTRPG but an Oblivion with guns with pause.
Also, it was known long ago - remember that they said that they aren't going to make make an isometric game like Baldur's Gate (they didn't even refer to Fallout) because that's not what they do best.

While I share his general sentiment on a some Fallout fans - heck, I don't post anywhere outside of NMA because I'm tired with ignorant people who want change just for the change itself, weirdos who make the Vault Boy a symbol of patriarchal oppression, people who can't understand what the recreation of the tabletop roleplaying experience on computer means, Oblivion fanboys and fangirls, FoT apologists, etc. I don't make blanket death wishes towards all Fallout fans.

 

[Makagulfazel]

Seraphim, please quit the fucking anime smilies, they're extremely annoying.

Oh man, that's funny.

Anyway, I always miss all the good news on weekends. While talking to a friend Friday who's a Game Informer subscriber, I asked him what he thought of Fallout 3. He's exact words were, although I had already warned him not to like the game, "The game looks very promising." I didn't even rebuttal. I hung up on Shaun and haven't talked to him since, fucking traitor.
Even though that was only one person's response, I really do feel that this game is going to sell a shit ton. It's sad, but the main thing that Bethesda is doing right(although I fucking hate it) is PR. They keep having the game compared to Oblivion, which the mindless drones of console kiddies ate up. If they liked Oblivion, they will like Fallout 3. It's disheartening to think about, but at this current state I'm sure we're going to see a 4 and 5 also, in the same shitty genre so blatantly called "action-RPG".
If this game somehow sells like shitcakes(as opposed to hot cakes), I will deem the release date as a national holiday to all of my descendants. I will call it, "Merry Fallout" and hand out post-apocalyptic/Fallout related items to all the little runts. While they will be confused when no-one else in their 1st grade class celebrates "Merry Fallout", I will simply call all non-celebrators "Douche Bags". But as it looks right now, this game will sell at least 1 million copies. There will be no "Merry Fallout" for any little shitheads that trickle down my family tree.

Fuck hype. And fuck people with intelligence < 5. They're the only people that can truly believe Fallout 3 is better than Fallout 1/2.

 

[Sorrow]

Oh man, that's funny.

Anyway, I always miss all the good news on weekends. While talking to a friend Friday who's a Game Informer subscriber, I asked him what he thought of Fallout 3. He's exact words were, although I had already warned him not to like the game, "The game looks very promising." I didn't even rebuttal. I hung up on Shaun and haven't talked to him since, fucking traitor.

A true patriot .

Even though that was only one person's response, I really do feel that this game is going to sell a shit ton. It's sad, but the main thing that Bethesda is doing right(although I fucking hate it) is PR. They keep having the game compared to Oblivion, which the mindless drones of console kiddies ate up. If they liked Oblivion, they will like Fallout 3.

Exactly. That's what Bethesda is doing - they are betraying the very roots of Fallout (GURPS series) to create an action RPG for masses.
That's because they are fans of Fallout.

 

[deadairis]

Seraphim, please quit the fucking anime smilies, they're extremely annoying.

If you weren't a mod, I'd tell you to bite me. lol

But alrighty.

Oh, and yeah, I have done some Fallout fanfic. Well before Liam -- back when I was trying to get a Fallout tabletop game going. It was more for players than just to indulge Fallout-boyism. Forgot to mention that when I went to bed.

 

[Madbringer]

Seraphim, please quit the fucking anime smilies, they're extremely annoying.

^_________^

It's easy to point at other people on the forums posting stuff that is obviously over the top and say "Well, don't judge ME by that," but at the same time all of GameSpy is being judged by one editor's voice -- and all of his contributions are being judged by one frustrated sentance. Honestly, his clear issue -- as mentioned in the podcast -- is with people attacking Fallout 3 as soon as they knew Bethesda had the license, and not a thing otherwise. And even then, the issue isn't that he "wants to offend them," it's that they're attacking something that they know, literally, nothing about (since, hey, there wasn't anything to know yet). It's a lot more clear when listened to, as opposed to in an edited transcript.

Heh. Well, i personally allowed myself a glimmer of hope, i did not become one of those few prophets of incoming doom (for the Fallout franchise). I was actually set even a little positively up until the point i saw the actual game screenshots and read the GI piece. There really isn't that much people who said Fallout 3 made by Beth will be shit when they didn't had any info about it.

Of course, a large majority was sceptical, but that's perfectly understandable, seeing how the franchise was treated in the past. So either way, that's not fair, dude. It's not fair to call us that, even for kicks. Like i said before, if he had a beef with a few members of the community, then he should drop names, not generalize.

You're his mate so i don't expect you to acknowledge that he didn't behave cool there, but that's how i see it, and you should at least recognize that's how anyone calling themselves a "Fallout fan" will feel.

 

[Sorrow]

Heh. Well, i personally allowed myself a glimmer of hope, i did not become one of those few prophets of incoming doom (for the Fallout franchise). I was actually set even a little positively up until the point i saw the actual game screenshots and read the GI piece.

Hehehe .
Same here. i.e. I actually knew that it's going to be FINO 3, but as a gesture of good will I partially deluded myself into thinking that they will make Fallout 3. Frankly, it's worser than I expected when it comes to style, weird gimmicks and innovashuns.

There really isn't that much people who said Fallout 3 made by Beth will be shit when they didn't had any info about it.

I think that it's not about the game being a piece of shit or not being piece of shit, but about game being Fallout or FINO.

 

[Slicerdicer]

So far all signs point to it being FINO3. Too bad I actually had some hope for it as well up to the first scans of the Orc with the war hammer and Nuke Catapult and such. That did it for me.

 

[Vault 69er]

Odd, I thought the GameFAQS Fallout forum was nearly completely unmoderated for a long time, considering what goes on there. Very odd.

They usually are, since GameFAQs moderators are a bunch of kids with short attention spans. Now and then they'll pretend they're in control by "making examples" of some users and their threads. While leaving blatant trolling elsewhere untouched.

 

[Brother None]

They usually are, since GameFAQs moderators are a bunch of kids with short attention spans. Now and then they'll pretend they're in control by "making examples" of some users and their threads. While leaving blatant trolling elsewhere untouched.

Oh, so basically the same as we do

Ba-da-bum-*ching*

 

[generalissimofurioso]

They usually are, since GameFAQs moderators are a bunch of kids with short attention spans. Now and then they'll pretend they're in control by "making examples" of some users and their threads. While leaving blatant trolling elsewhere untouched.

I know I've been banned from the GameFAQs/Gamespot boards a grand total of 25 times...

Mostly for being really blunt when it came to certain things (Pointing out blatant racism, destroying Libertarians, etc.)

Though I also got banned for quoting the Simpsons once...
("Aso! Aso! Me Rikey The Flied Lice!" in response to stereotypical "Asians can't speak right thread")

 

[Orzhov]

No cTRPG - no real Fallout 3.

This is exactly what I was referring to. Currently, people look at NMA because an article about Fallout 3 is (in their eyes, bizzarely) being hated by a lot of people here.

It doesn't help, when, on this very thread, people who like a Bethesda Fallout 3 being labeled "mindless drones of console kiddies".

People made me curious about this Descent 3, disaster, what happened and what was the reason?

I thought I explained it well enough. Descent fans thought up the idea to explain why Descent 3 is a good game, and why you (aka non-Descent people) should play it.

They only wound up showing that they, and only they, were really interested in a Descent 3 style game. Not only that, but the source of the information was used against them.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

I thought I explained it well enough. Descent fans thought up the idea to explain why Descent 3 is a good game, and why you (aka non-Descent people) should play it.

They only wound up showing that they, and only they, were really interested in a Descent 3 style game. Not only that, but the source of the information was used against them.

That is weird, I never played Descent 1 or 2 and I still ended up liking Descent 3.

In that regard, I do not think in general Beth's PA game will be that bad to play (perhaps a bit boring here and there) but it is simply not Fallout because Fallout is more than its setting and atmosphere.

 

[Sorrow]

No cTRPG - no real Fallout 3.

This is exactly what I was referring to. Currently, people look at NMA because an article about Fallout 3 is (in their eyes, bizzarely) being hated by a lot of people here.

Then negotiating with them doesn't make sense.

 

[Wooz]

people look at NMA because an article about Fallout 3 is (in their eyes, bizzarely) being hated by a lot of people here.

Unless you count a few overzealous exceptions, we don't hate the article itself; we're displeased and disappointed with a few ideas presented in that preview.

As for being looked upon as mouth-frothing loons, well, you can't please everybody.

It doesn't help, when, on this very thread, people who like a Bethesda Fallout 3 being labeled "mindless drones of console kiddies".

Hmyeah. It doesn't help to develop a game with an established franchise, just to dumb it down to an "action RPG". Not to mention some of the most ridiculous ideas ever seen. "Nukulur katapults" (come on, whose idea was that) and corpse-eating might be fun in their own right, they don't really fit the Fallout setting.

If you look closely, and as said by a few posters already, our main beef isn't that much if the game will be shit or not, it's mainly "will this be Fallout?"

 

[freshmeat]

Anyway, I always miss all the good news on weekends. While talking to a friend Friday who's a Game Informer subscriber, I asked him what he thought of Fallout 3. He's exact words were, although I had already warned him not to like the game, "The game looks very promising." I didn't even rebuttal. I hung up on Shaun and haven't talked to him since, fucking traitor.

You just hung up on him? You have far more patience than I do. I actually slapped my girlfriend(hard) when she asked me "what's the big deal about Fallout". Needless to say, she is no longer my girlfriend. I'm sorry, but she should have known better by now.

 

[lisac2k]

You just hung up on him? You have far more patience than I do. I actually slapped my girlfriend(hard) when she asked me "what's the big deal about Fallout". Needless to say, she is no longer my girlfriend. I'm sorry, but she should have known better by now.

No offense, but... You probably chose the wrong party of the body to slap ok, /silly_mode off