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[kikomiko]

seriously, even bethesda's forum plants are mediocre.

I think Beth needs to improve the AI of their viral forum drones as well.

What's FO3's budget anyway? I think they must've spent at least 1/3 of it on drones and hype.

I'm not employed by Bethesda, but if I was, I would certainly be proud of who I worked for. They make high quality games, and I personally CANNOT wait for Fallout 3. I also find it quite amusing to see that many of you have computers that can't support F3, which means you won't play the game. However, you will continue to bash it without having played it, correct? I found out this info from the PC specs thread, so I'm not making it up. I'm not making fun either; I'm just saying that it is unfair that you would bash this game when you know you aren't going to play it.

 

[Wooz]

Yes. It's also hilarious that people who don't eat shit would find eating shit gross.

 

[rcorporon]

Click on the link, and skip to 'Behemoth Rampage', they talk about how there is a hierarchy to the Super Mutants, and the older they get the stupider (they actually use that word) they get. The Behemoths are 'biggest and stupidest', you can imagine they've been around for a long time. There are only a few of them.


In other words, the longest lived Super Mutants have grown to be mindless, gigantic Behemoths.


So yeeeesssssss. Feel Bethesda's genius.

Is there a Marcus Behemoth wandering around?

This guy is awesome.

Also, why is it when I "feel" Beth's genius, it's a lot like how those poor alter boys "felt" God's love with their priest back in the 80s?

 

[TheGM]

seriously, even bethesda's forum plants are mediocre.

I think Beth needs to improve the AI of their viral forum drones as well.

What's FO3's budget anyway? I think they must've spent at least 1/3 of it on drones and hype.

I'm not employed by Bethesda, but if I was, I would certainly be proud of who I worked for. They make high quality games, and I personally CANNOT wait for Fallout 3. I also find it quite amusing to see that many of you have computers that can't support F3, which means you won't play the game. However, you will continue to bash it without having played it, correct? I found out this info from the PC specs thread, so I'm not making it up. I'm not making fun either; iamb just saying that it is unfair that you would bash this game when you know you aren't going to play it.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out the contradictions of lore and down right stupid ideas that are in this game or any game for that matter.

And this is coming from Mr.neutral.

And by your thinking you shouldn't be praising a game you haven't played(Unless you have a eye patch).

 

[kikomiko]

seriously, even bethesda's forum plants are mediocre.

I think Beth needs to improve the AI of their viral forum drones as well.

What's FO3's budget anyway? I think they must've spent at least 1/3 of it on drones and hype.

I'm not employed by Bethesda, but if I was, I would certainly be proud of who I worked for. They make high quality games, and I personally CANNOT wait for Fallout 3. I also find it quite amusing to see that many of you have computers that can't support F3, which means you won't play the game. However, you will continue to bash it without having played it, correct? I found out this info from the PC specs thread, so I'm not making it up. I'm not making fun either; iamb just saying that it is unfair that you would bash this game when you know you aren't going to play it.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out the contradictions of lore and down right stupid ideas that are in this game or any game for that matter.

And this is coming from Mr.neutral.

And by your thinking you shouldn't be praising a game you haven't played(Unless you have a eye patch).

Hey, I never said Fallout 3 was amazing. If the game stinks, then I will openly admit that. All I said was that I can't wait for the game, and that Bethesda is a high quality developer. I simply think it is unfair that you guys bash it without having played the game.

 

[Moving Target]

Well, everyone here who's been around for even a few months is getting a bit tired of new folks coming by and saying "Wow I can't wait to play this game", usually accompanied by "You people (NMA) are living in the past, Bethsoft's doing a great job, get with the times, ISO's dead," and a zillioin other things we've heard before.

So that's why we're a bit touchy when it comes to folks praising the game, in a roughly equivalent manner to the way that many of us are decrying it. We see what you see; nobody here has played the game for more than about an hour (a few folks got to do that at PAX, with Pete- I think- hanging over their shoulders). So to say "Hey this game will be great!" and then turn around and say "Why don't you think so?" (basically)... do you see why we don't like that sort of approach?

 

[kikomiko]

Well, everyone here who's been around for even a few months is getting a bit tired of new folks coming by and saying "Wow I can't wait to play this game", usually accompanied by "You people (NMA) are living in the past, Bethsoft's doing a great job, get with the times, ISO's dead," and a zillioin other things we've heard before.

So that's why we're a bit touchy when it comes to folks praising the game, in a roughly equivalent manner to the way that many of us are decrying it. We see what you see; nobody here has played the game for more than about an hour (a few folks got to do that at PAX, with Pete- I think- hanging over their shoulders). So to say "Hey this game will be great!" and then turn around and say "Why don't you think so?" (basically)... do you see why we don't like that sort of approach?

I totally understand that, and appreciate that thoughtful post. I apologize for my past comments.

However, you would agree that people her do unfairly bash the game, correct?

 

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

Well, everyone here who's been around for even a few months is getting a bit tired of new folks coming by and saying "Wow I can't wait to play this game", usually accompanied by "You people (NMA) are living in the past, Bethsoft's doing a great job, get with the times, ISO's dead," and a zillioin other things we've heard before.

So that's why we're a bit touchy when it comes to folks praising the game, in a roughly equivalent manner to the way that many of us are decrying it. We see what you see; nobody here has played the game for more than about an hour (a few folks got to do that at PAX, with Pete- I think- hanging over their shoulders). So to say "Hey this game will be great!" and then turn around and say "Why don't you think so?" (basically)... do you see why we don't like that sort of approach?

I totally understand that, and appreciate that thoughtful post. I apologize for my past comments.

However, you would agree that people her do unfairly bash the game, correct?

Just because we haven't played the game doesn't mean we're bashing it 'unfairly'. Since it's been pirated, we've had multiple video feeds, videos on Youtube and other places to see how it's played, what new locations look like, animation and A.I., etc.


And it's not 'unfair' to note that the animation, A.I., conversation system, and choices and consequences have barely improved at all since Oblivion. That VATS is at once broken and seemingly the only way to kill some folks, that enemy designs are such that they barely fit, or don't at all, into the universe created by the originals.

It's not unfair to point out that the Rock-It-Launcher, allowing you to kill a man with a teddy bear, or the gun that fires nukes about ten meters from you without lighting you green...are stupid.

 

[Bodybag]

I can't even imagine watching a video feed of someone playing Fallout 1 or 2, much less trying to form impressions of it.

FWIW practically all of the comments I've seen from the dirty evildoer crowd who've bothered commenting have been positive, though mostly in a general sense. I didn't bother with any streams, though, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that people wtaching those think the game is pants.

 

[Casual Gamer]

The only stream I've seen was such low quality that it literally looked like someone was playing a Doom 2 mod and photographed it with a bad cell-phone camera.

That said, there are very legitimate complaints with the graphical (movement, character animation) similarities to oblivion, but as a sequel to a sprite game from 10 years ago, I can only really complain that the graphics haven't improved ENOUGH from the previous iterations.

 

[Arash]

That said, there are very legitimate complaints with the graphical (movement, character animation) similarities to oblivion, but as a sequel to a sprite game from 10 years ago, I can only really complain that the graphics haven't improved ENOUGH from the previous iterations.

I dont' care about the graphics really, its the RPG elements of Fallout that most fans cared...after that, the animations and graphics.

 

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

I can't even imagine watching a video feed of someone playing Fallout 1 or 2, much less trying to form impressions of it.

Not hard to get a feel for it, actually. Especially if there are specific things from an older game (Oblivion) by the same company (Bethesda) that you don't like, and don't want touching a Fallout experience.


When a guy is running around scared out of his wits, then you click on him and he instantly calms down, talks to you in a normal tone and doesn't even acknowledge what he was doing earlier...then screams "HALP" the moment you stop talking and starts running around in hysterics again, it's pretty easy to tell things aren't going to be super keen gear.

 

[Casual Gamer]

When a guy is running around scared out of his wits, then you click on him and he instantly calms down, talks to you in a normal tone and doesn't even acknowledge what he was doing earlier...then screams "HALP" the moment you stop talking and starts running around in hysterics again, it's pretty easy to tell things aren't going to be super keen gear.

So...you don't like videogames?

 

[TheGM]

When a guy is running around scared out of his wits, then you click on him and he instantly calms down, talks to you in a normal tone and doesn't even acknowledge what he was doing earlier...then screams "HALP" the moment you stop talking and starts running around in hysterics again, it's pretty easy to tell things aren't going to be super keen gear.

So...you don't like videogames?

he he he...

Yeah he did describe random video game goofiness.

It happens.

 

[Outbreak]

I fall into that neutral catagory as well, and I neither love nor hate this game at this moment in time. I dislike mindless bashing as much as I dislike mindless over hype. That being said, I agree with many of the comments when related to the movement/animations, and this is where my main issues lie with FO3. It was the first thing I noticed even after having next to no experience with Oblivion, and all I had to do was see ONE gameplay trailer. The camera is also a big issue, especially in 3rd person. They just are behind the times. I could see much the same things in a Deus Ex game.

Now when it comes to depth, gameplay, etc. I haven't personally seen anything else that's completely turned me off. Of course there are issues here and there, and some could turn out to be big after playing, but I will wait to judge once I have the disc in the drive and the controller in my hands.

Right now this game is hitting about a 3/5 in my eyes, but if depth is strong, and it's simply fun, then it will hit a 4/5. 5/5 would have come if they had taken the time to either correct their poor movement, camera and animation with something like mocap, or simply gotten a new team to handle the department. I'd much rather have smooth animation than bigger graphics. That can save many games with poor quality textures, etc. (just look at an old game Flashback or Out of This World) But, unfortunately, although this game is probably mid-range in graphical quality, even the best looking game will look stupid when everyone's moving like an animitron. I certainly wouldn't enjoy The Dark Knight if Batman was directed by Robby the Robot. Also, because it's not isometric, and instead in-your-face, (I do like POV though) it's hard to forgive any of it.

I'm still looking forward to this game, but it certainly deserves some criticism.

@Casual Gamer: Also, not to be rude, but I think that last comment was a little unfair. We should be far past the times when silly issues like Genma described would be taking place. If we aren't, then something is wrong. Let's not take everyone 5-10 years into the past just so we can explain issues with Oblivion, Fallout 3 or any game for that matter. It needs to compete with the present. Sorry if I misunderstood though.

 

[Arash]

I thought he was describing that oblivion scene where the chapel was being attacked by Dawn Cultists.

that was even more shitty.

the Dawn Warrior was a chasing a monk, when you clicked on the monk the warrior behind him just froze and the monk talked to you in a very normal (a bit nervous) tone... the warrior was just frozen behind him...

so I went out of my room, grabbed a drink and came back and ended the conversation...

 

[Outbreak]

I thought he was describing that oblivion scene where the chapel was being attacked by Dawn Cultists.

that was even more shitty.

the Dawn Warrior was a chasing a monk, when you clicked on the monk the warrior behind him just froze and the monk talked to you in a very normal (a bit nervous) tone... the warrior was just frozen behind him...

so I went out of my room, grabbed a drink and came back and ended the conversation...

lol...beautiful.

 

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

When a guy is running around scared out of his wits, then you click on him and he instantly calms down, talks to you in a normal tone and doesn't even acknowledge what he was doing earlier...then screams "HALP" the moment you stop talking and starts running around in hysterics again, it's pretty easy to tell things aren't going to be super keen gear.

So...you don't like videogames?

Oh, I love video games. But when the game is (supposedly) running with an improved version of the much-hyped Radiant A.I., I'd like for the characters to at least be as consistent and stable as those from...say...Gothic. Which shouldn't be too awful hard.

When you consider the exact same problems appeared in Oblivion (them being complete and utter spazzes, or bi-polar) multiple times, it stops being a 'well, all video games have their quirks', and turns into a 'oh, it's a Bethesda thing'.

 

[Casual Gamer]

@Casual Gamer: Also, not to be rude, but I think that last comment was a little unfair. We should be far past the times when silly issues like Genma described would be taking place. If we aren't, then something is wrong. Let's not take everyone 5-10 years into the past just so we can explain issues with Oblivion, Fallout 3 or any game for that matter. It needs to compete with the present. Sorry if I misunderstood though.

We aren't far past them though, I wish we were, but the problem he mentioned is unique to all non-scripted games, not unique to Bethesda's games. There's no easy way to make videogame characters organically behave like human beings in an environment with so many variables. There will be, eventually, I assume.

Oh, I love video games. But when the game is (supposedly) running with an improved version of the much-hyped Radiant A.I., I'd like for the characters to at least be as consistent and stable as those from...say...Gothic. Which shouldn't be too awful hard.

When the exact same problems happened in Oblivion, multiple times, it stops being a 'well, all video games have their quirks', and turns into a 'oh, it's a Bethesda thing'.

Never played gothic, but I'd eat my hat if I couldn't confound any modern AI without really trying.

 

[Outbreak]

We aren't far past them though, I wish we were, but the problem he mentioned is unique to all non-scripted games, not unique to Bethesda's games. There's no easy way to make videogame characters organically behave like human beings in an environment with so many variables. There will be, eventually, I assume.

Never played gothic, but I'd eat my hat if I couldn't confound any modern AI without really trying.

There is a difference between confusing the A.I. or the A.I. not doing something intelligent as opposed to it being really stupid. I do agree that it's not limited to Bethesda. I don't have anything against them as I have next to no history with their games. To go along with what I am saying though, GTA IV has quite a few issues that aren't just minor issues, they are lazy and stupid issues. Such as: a person dies in the street and a car pulls up in front of it. The person in the car then beeps their horn because the BODY won't get out of the way. Not only does this happen, but although there is a 'working' ambulance system, those guys might not even show up. If they even do show up, sometiimes after trying to 'save' the person, they will just get back into their ambulance and, not only leave the body there, but turn to honking at it like everyone else. At the LEAST, the cars could understand that it's a dead person and not an obstruction. They can't even figure out to go around half the time. Pedestrians even walk over the body and pay no mind. THAT is an example of stupid and lazy design in what is a good game otherwise, but it does hurt it. Being able to rush a guy with a particular weapon and win every time is a much different 'bug' than that same guy running around and circles screaming "I'm scared of the sky!" when you hit him in the face.

So sure...all games have their issues. We're not at a real life/movie simulating stage, but there are differences in the quality of those issues. Bethesda just has to show us they are trying hard even though silly things still make it in, and not that moronic things make it in because they are lazy and/or careless.