It's also funny cus of tragedy 
MutantScalper
Dogmeat
It was used in the Michael Moore documentary Fahrenheit 9/11. Exemplifies the flippant attitude Dubya had about the whole GWOT-thing he started.
Michael Moore is like a broken clock that works twice a day.
MutantScalper
Dogmeat
Yea I don't know. From a European perspective, someone like Moore is actually not that 'extreme', in US he might be. A 'socialist' or even a 'communist' or whatever. In his last movie, "Who should we invade next" or something like that, he shows Europe in a pretty good light although things arent' that great here either and the same right-wing mentality that's rampant in US is gaining ground in Europe as well.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
The problem with Moore is that he is pretty manipulative in his "Documentary" style. He sensationalizes things and on the way actually negatively affects whatever cause he is championing about.
MutantScalper
Dogmeat
Yea I don't know. I always thought that there was a nice 'energy' about his documentaries. He doesn't even claim to be unbiased, although in many of his documentaries he is surprisingly unbiased, for example in Bowling for Columbine, he's an NRA member, grew up with guns, etc.
If there was no Michael Moore, the US political documentary scene would be pretty lopsided.
My 5 cents on Michael Moore, yes, he is a "socialist weasel" as they call him in Team America - but man, is he outweighed, in that movie industry though. It's not like America overflows with a ton of red communist docu makers. Yeah, I know, in the current alt-right climate anybody who isn't extreme right over there is a "socialist", hell, Obama is a socialist... (I love how there is no consistency there though, hippies are socialists, Obama is a socialist, drone warfare is socialism, Stalin was a socialist. Socialist hippies who do violent riots are "hypocrites" for being violent, but violence must always be the hallmark of socialism - points to USSR, Stalin and Obamistic drone warfare, not to mention Hillarian pedophilic pizza-place child-raping satanistic illuminati ritualism - that's total socialism!)
I digress...
Moore is kind of a "bitter pill" in America, I think. He says a lot of stuff they need to hear, like - how about vacations? How about not shooting criminals so much, just for being criminal?
I like how Trevor Noah said it - are criminals no longer expected to run from police? What happened to the cop-chase? Of course criminal people will resist, they're criminals, they're going to jail, they will resist tons-a-lot. Do some judo-shit with them, no need to shoot them right in the face
I DIGRESS AGAIN
Moore could always tone down this condescending tone though, and he could be a bit less sneaky. As a Norwegian, I did eyeroll a bit when he showed our pet-a-pony experimental prison, although he DID catch up to that himself, and showed an actual maximum security prison in a later documentary. That was real though, they do have tv in their cells and stuff. They just don't have any ponies.
I digress...
Moore is kind of a "bitter pill" in America, I think. He says a lot of stuff they need to hear, like - how about vacations? How about not shooting criminals so much, just for being criminal?
I like how Trevor Noah said it - are criminals no longer expected to run from police? What happened to the cop-chase? Of course criminal people will resist, they're criminals, they're going to jail, they will resist tons-a-lot. Do some judo-shit with them, no need to shoot them right in the face
I DIGRESS AGAIN
Moore could always tone down this condescending tone though, and he could be a bit less sneaky. As a Norwegian, I did eyeroll a bit when he showed our pet-a-pony experimental prison, although he DID catch up to that himself, and showed an actual maximum security prison in a later documentary. That was real though, they do have tv in their cells and stuff. They just don't have any ponies.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
American leftism would fall more into Center right than truly left in most countries, at least when it comes to politicians.
The US has still to develope an ACTUALL leftist movement. Not even Bernie was left. He was JUST a social democrat. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I have a problem with the fact that he is often a lying sack full of shit - and Hey I am a leftist by the way - that would twist any fact or quote to support 'his' agenda. I mean I can also take interviews with managers at Nike, like as he did, and put things they say out of context, or just cut it in a way to make it look worse than what they ACTUALLY said.
I was an admirer of Moore, even believing that he made 'Documentaries', which is his biggest selling point of his works.
But the simple truth is, he doesn't make documentaries. What he makes is entertainment for left retardes that think they are left, but actually just like to pretend that they care about the working class to assume the moral high ground in a debate or what ever, no clue I meet such people, and they are disgusting. Moore is not one who's looking for solutions or telling people the truth, he want's to politicize, which isn't even the worst thing to do, as long as you use facts and make it clear that this is your intention, that your intention is to make a 'political statement'. But like I said, if something doeesn't fitt Moores narrative, he doesn't shy away from twisting facts, like as how he did in Bowling for Columbine, where almost NOTHING of what he showed, was like in his movie. The thing with buying a gun in the Bank from his conversation with Charlton Heston - and believe me, I am sure not a fan of the NRA!
You know, I don't have a problem with Moores political views or what ever. I don't really care. As long he's not Nazi or Stalinist.
I have a problem with the fact that he is often a lying sack full of shit - and Hey I am a leftist by the way - that would twist any fact or quote to support 'his' agenda. I mean I can also take interviews with managers at Nike, like as he did, and put things they say out of context, or just cut it in a way to make it look worse than what they ACTUALLY said.
I was an admirer of Moore, even believing that he made 'Documentaries', which is his biggest selling point of his works.
But the simple truth is, he doesn't make documentaries. What he makes is entertainment for left retardes that think they are left, but actually just like to pretend that they care about the working class to assume the moral high ground in a debate or what ever, no clue I meet such people, and they are disgusting. Moore is not one who's looking for solutions or telling people the truth, he want's to politicize, which isn't even the worst thing to do, as long as you use facts and make it clear that this is your intention, that your intention is to make a 'political statement'. But like I said, if something doeesn't fitt Moores narrative, he doesn't shy away from twisting facts, like as how he did in Bowling for Columbine, where almost NOTHING of what he showed, was like in his movie. The thing with buying a gun in the Bank from his conversation with Charlton Heston - and believe me, I am sure not a fan of the NRA!
All of that. I cringe often to his docus, first there is the "This is how prison is like in Norway!" *rainbows*
then there is this... protest-angle he sometimes does, where he will pester some door-guard, as if the door-guard has ANY say in ANYthing... "sigh, please, sir... " he reminds me of a dumbass friend of mine back in angry socialist protest days, who vented his anger at someone just trying to drive home from work, kicking their bumper and stuff, I actually hoped the driver would run him over, but he didn't...
Worst was the whole thing with Charlton Heston, when he pulled out the photo of the little girl. I didn't feel sorry for Heston - he's a scumbag - I felt ashamed that Moore would stoop to such a scumbaggy level himself, and somehow pretend to represent other socialists (me) when doing it.
It's like he is in a hurry to make socialists look bad, and again, with that condescending talking-to-a-child way of narrating his documentaries.
Sigh, in the end I'm fine with him trying at least, since there really aren't anybody else out there.
I like Louis Theroux' documentaries
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Reminds me of a Colombian performance artist that just sat in front of the Hall of Justice writting "Freedom" in chalk, because you know, with Colombia being ruled by an oligarchy, we having a problem with social inequality, a still on going civil war (that is getting better tho) and Bogota itself just suffering under the worst major it has had in recent memory, some kid with an expensive camera writting shit in chalk on the walkway while a cop just asks him to please stop that is the most important and radical protest in the world.
Throatpunch
Banned
It's a genereal issue about documentaries, the format makes them seem inherently trustworthy. It's easy to exploit that.
People really need to develop a healthy scepticism towards documentaries in general. Not to distrust them, but to understand that researchers don't make documentaries. TV-people do, with TV-expertise.
I had an annoying discussion with a very good friend, about dinosaurs, cus of that... Not to brag, but I know a LOT about dinosaurs - an embarassing lot. He was telling me about two of the very best known dinosaur species, and correcting me - stubbornly - because of what he saw in a documentary, and interpreted as fact.
I tried to explain to him that the documentary most likely intended to present these ideas as plausible speculations, and he got more and more frustrated, because he didn't really understand the science from an "insider"'s perspective, plus he really thought the documentary wouldn't just "make things up"
What was what isn't really important - what I reacted to was that he opted to put TV-info to an infallible level, while completely dismissing everything I had to say about it, because I am not a documentary :I
To me, it felt like if someone were to intensely argue with you that Canada is a country in southern Asia, and repeatedly refer to ONE documentary, and no matter what you say "you must have misunderstood something" "maybe they posed a hypothetical!" "dude, Canada is NOT in Asia... !" - you cannot be right, because the documentary contradicts you
It's very frustrating...
There's that, and then there's those who take it a step further, and insist hollywood movies "wouldn't just make things up", I've actually had that argument too...
(discussing the movie "Pearl Harbor", can you imagine... )
I had an annoying discussion with a very good friend, about dinosaurs, cus of that... Not to brag, but I know a LOT about dinosaurs - an embarassing lot. He was telling me about two of the very best known dinosaur species, and correcting me - stubbornly - because of what he saw in a documentary, and interpreted as fact.
I tried to explain to him that the documentary most likely intended to present these ideas as plausible speculations, and he got more and more frustrated, because he didn't really understand the science from an "insider"'s perspective, plus he really thought the documentary wouldn't just "make things up"
What was what isn't really important - what I reacted to was that he opted to put TV-info to an infallible level, while completely dismissing everything I had to say about it, because I am not a documentary :I
To me, it felt like if someone were to intensely argue with you that Canada is a country in southern Asia, and repeatedly refer to ONE documentary, and no matter what you say "you must have misunderstood something" "maybe they posed a hypothetical!" "dude, Canada is NOT in Asia... !" - you cannot be right, because the documentary contradicts you
It's very frustrating...
There's that, and then there's those who take it a step further, and insist hollywood movies "wouldn't just make things up", I've actually had that argument too...
(discussing the movie "Pearl Harbor", can you imagine... )
MutantScalper
Dogmeat
Zegh,
yea I know what you mean exactly about "tv-people making documentaries". I actually remember when the shift happened, from real scientists etc. making documentaries into these flashy, emotive documentaries that we mostly have today. If you want proper science stuff etc. in a program form, you really have to dig for that stuff somewhere else. BBC still has some quality stuff, and maybe German media but I don't have much access to proper long German documentaries. I also like German films.
I'm actually studying German again, not a new years resolution, just stuff I've been meaning to do for a long time.
yea I know what you mean exactly about "tv-people making documentaries". I actually remember when the shift happened, from real scientists etc. making documentaries into these flashy, emotive documentaries that we mostly have today. If you want proper science stuff etc. in a program form, you really have to dig for that stuff somewhere else. BBC still has some quality stuff, and maybe German media but I don't have much access to proper long German documentaries. I also like German films.
I'm actually studying German again, not a new years resolution, just stuff I've been meaning to do for a long time.
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MutantScalper
Dogmeat
Anyone into board games? Decided to get Scrabble and thinking about getting more later. A buddy is very much into them, played Vampire - The Gathering - card game thingy and others at his place. Tsuro was a nice one as well. I prefer the ones that are easier to get into.
Anyone got any recommendations?
Anyone got any recommendations?
Do not play Risk or Monopoly if you value friendships and sanity.
If you're a serious nerd, go get Attack Vector: Tactical. It's basically a space combat game with some seriously rock-hard science in it. Also, Fantasy Flight Games produce some very good games, like the X-Wing Miniature game and Armada, another Star Wars wargame.
/edit: If you like wargames, you should loko into Axis & Allies.
/edit2: Actually, just get out your plastic army men and play the original wargame devised by HG Wells: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3690?msg=welcome_stranger
If you're a serious nerd, go get Attack Vector: Tactical. It's basically a space combat game with some seriously rock-hard science in it. Also, Fantasy Flight Games produce some very good games, like the X-Wing Miniature game and Armada, another Star Wars wargame.
/edit: If you like wargames, you should loko into Axis & Allies.
/edit2: Actually, just get out your plastic army men and play the original wargame devised by HG Wells: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3690?msg=welcome_stranger
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MutantScalper
Dogmeat
Hmm, that Attack Vector: Tactical seems pretty hefty should I say. I'm sure it's really good though. I would play it, and Axis & Allies. Someone also recommended me Squad Leader, the WW 2 battle board game. Ah, the lovely hexagon grid. Would be interesting to get into a really heavy and demanding strategy game, board game or computer game, I know they are out there.
But thanks, you've given me good ideas.
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I have a soft spot for games created by Czech developer Vladimír „Vlaada” Chvátil, goes both for board and computer games. This is Through The Ages, one of his games critically acclaimed by The International Gamers Awards comitee in 2007: http://www.internationalgamersawards.net/winners-and-nominees/winners/2007-winners
There is really only ONE game that you have to get.
Oh, and all the great OCP products! And remember. They care!