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Well you can consume pretty much anything including cannabis too much if you go really overboard with it. I think only vitamin C is such that too much of it leaves the body through urine. Also, just because something doesn't kill you off from a large dose doesn't make it good for your health.
 
MutantScalper said:
Well you can consume pretty much anything including cannabis too much if you go really overboard with it. I think only vitamin C is such that too much of it leaves the body through urine. Also, just because something doesn't kill you off from a large dose doesn't make it good for your health.
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I think his point was that alcohol is more dangerous. It is a bit simplistic to regard most drugs as "equally dangerous, it simply depends", because that is just not true. Heroin is much more deadly than cocaine. LSD may rattle your psyche, but is nearly impossible to get addicted to. Alcohol consumption might take your life in a single evening of over-consumption, while smoking as much weed as you can in a single night will only leave you _very_ toasted, and super hungry for gummy-bears.

Weed has its own problems, but lethality is not one of them.

The main obstacle to understanding these differences is precisely to bag them all as "drugs"
"drugs are baed"

Caffeine is drugs, and how many people openly admit "I can't even function if I don't get my morning cup of coffee", holy shit, not even function? That sounds like serious addiction! :D

These substances are all different, they work in different ways, and they really should be treated much more individually. So far society really struggle with that, and tend to just lump most in the "drugs" bag, then a separate category for alcohol, and yet a separate for caffeine and nicotine, which seem to be not only accepted, but necesary for day-to-day functionality "I need my coffee!" "I need my cig-break!"

(imagine "I need my booze-break!" during work-hours, despite the acceptance of alcohol)

It is interesting to see, though, how vital entoxication is to human function, world wide, be it caffeine, nicotine, or the alcohol-reward after work, or the religious/spiritual significance of psychoactive substances.
 
The amount of weed and in how much intensity you would have to smoke to die from it is so huge that you would've died from dehydration, smoke or starvation before you managed to consume enough of it to die from it's effects.
 
You guys are still talking about dying from weed although I already elevated the discussion on the previous page by bringing up damage to the developing brain, negative influence to mental illnesses and those who just might have a negative impact from weed for whatever reason, etc.

Btw folks can die from weed, say a trucker high on weed is a little slow with his reactions and slams into a full school bus.
 
*to be fair* weed has its share of problems, I always get a bit eyerolly when young hipsterkids say "weed is only psychologically addictive, not physically!" as if that's some kind of benefit. Addiction is addiction, and weed may take over someone's daily routine

As a years-and-years weed smoker myself, I can attest that one of the biggest problems is constant coughing, sometimes long, frustrating bouts of cough. There was also the routine-ness of it, the fact that weed would simply replace daily objectives and productivity. I'd feel like writing, I'd do like Towelie and get a little high first, and then be perfectly comfortable just being high.

Those are problems!
However, no, you don't die from it... :D

Mutantscalper, sure, you may end up driving worse when high, but usually people who are high on weed will drive very nervously :D First-hand witness to that, more than I can count :D Again, it's about individual drugs. I would never sit along with someone who drive a car after consuming amphetamines, for example.

Again, it's about _individual drugs_ and their unique properties!

As for mental illness, I sortof covered that. Weed makes you stagnate a bit. "Hash-psychosis" seems to be a thing, but it's pretty rare. I would be much more worried with alcohol coupled with mental illness.
 
Then the person would've died from being an idiot and driving under the influence. People can die on the wheel from eating chips and not paying attention to the road and that wouldn't mean people die from Potato chips...
 
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I don't get this argument that alcohol and weed are somehow mutually exclusive. Usually the people who use one use the other too, often at the same time. Which is called mixed using. And there is really no real reliable studies about all the possible combinations that weed could be mixed used with and the adverse effects that could result from all of those.
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MutantScalper said:
Well you can consume pretty much anything including cannabis too much if you go really overboard with it. I think only vitamin C is such that too much of it leaves the body through urine. Also, just because something doesn't kill you off from a large dose doesn't make it good for your health.
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You could take a glass of water, add a couple of spoons of Sodium chloride (aka. table salt) to it, drink it and die.

Do you see people jumping up and down trying to put people in jail for selling salt? News flash! Everything is bad for your 'health' if you don't take care.

Seriously, if someone at this point is still against weed, while consuming every other shit without any second thought, then he's not very well informed. That shit should be legalized, period, I mean how many studies do we need that people consuming it are not criminals and that the health effects are not severe for adults - compared to all the other shit that we eat and drink all the damn time, even as teenagers.

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You guys are still talking about dying from weed although I already elevated the discussion on the previous page by bringing up damage to the developing brain, negative influence to mental illnesses and those who just might have a negative impact from weed for whatever reason, etc.
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Yes, let us continue to talk about the effects of weed on the human brain, while half of the nation is high on suggar since they are 2 year old, which has a similar effect on your brain like heroin.

Seriously. Weed, is absolutely the last issue to worry about.

The reason why I made this comparision is because people worry to much about all sorts of shit when it comes to drugs, but actually don't realize how much stuff they actually eat and drink, that has similar if not even worse effects. Particularly in the long term - see suggar.

The hard truth is, that you could probably legalize all drugs, even cocain and heroin, and it would most probably improve the society and the lives of everyone. Prisons would have less inmates, drug addicts would be less miserable, there would be less crime, drug trafficing would decline, you name it.

This idea, that drug addicts are criminals is a medieval thinking at this point.



Legalize the consumption of drugs, and treat drug addiction like a sickness. Lots of nations with serious drug problems managed to solve their issue that way.
 
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People who think that "Friends never leave you no matter what you do" are usually the kind of people who mostly engage in emotional abuse in relationships. Kind of a pitty that so many people like that are basically hiding behind supposedly spousing "progressive beliefs" and they in turn are poisoning the voice of the left with that shit.
 
Yes, I drink coffee and I guess coffee is a, well, neurological agent. It influences your central nervous system. Btw, in case you didn't know it, the central nervous system is the part of your body that makes you nervous. And coffee, like, supercharges it. Ha-ha.

Anyway, yea folks drink coffee. I'd still wager that out of coffee, tobacco and other nicotine products, weed and alcohol, coffee is the least harmful.
 
Cofee can kill you from consumption alone, it also messes with cardiac rythm, increases the odds of developing osteoporosis among other things. You only think it's less harmful because is your drug of choice.
 
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Cofee can kill you from consumption alone, it also messes with cardiac rythm, increases the odds of developing osteoporosis among other things. You only think it's less harmful because is your drug of choice.
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Well the first claim is true, second is true as well, not sure about the osteoporosis-thing. And no I don't think it's a good thing just because I drink it. I might have the occasional beer too. Coffee can also mess up with your sleeping, so there are negatives.

Crni_Vuk mentioned Portugal. Yes I know of it. Over there they have heroin-addicts laying around in city parks where kids can see them. I don't want heroin-addicts and coke-heads around kids, or weed smokers for that matter. I've seen weed smokers and let me put it this way, they are not my role models. Holland has gone to and fro with legalising weed, then making it illegal again when the effects of weed-tourism become too severe. I wonder if Portugal will get heroin-tourism? Is that the kind of tourism Portugal wants?

Anyway, hash-psychosis, thanks for that, yet another negative thing weed causes. Zegh also mentioned some negatives of weed.

Anyway, I'm in favour of a 'nurturing' nanny society that is concerned with people's health. Would I be willing to go as far as banning cigarettes, alcohol and coffee? Cigarettes? Sure. Alcohol? Yea why not, alcohol costs billions and causes thousands of deaths even in my small nation. Coffee? Hmm, I'd need to see more studies about how harmful it is. But you know, maybe. I'm not that strung up on coffee, and I think I would be in even better shape if I didn't drink the stuff.

That's the difference between me and you guys, you can't give up weed, I can give up coffee.
 
Eh, when I last visited Portugal the parks were pretty nice and clean, with people swinging on swing-sets.

It's a dangerous myth to believe that decriminalization will prompt the entire population to throw themselves over the recently legalized drugs.
People who want illegal drugs will aquire the illegal drugs, regardless of their legality.

By decriminalizing them, you do NOT cause a lot of additional drug use, but you DO keep prisons a little less crowded. It's a win-win in my eyes.
Drug tourism is a minor problem, and can be dealt with separately. I doubt it is legal in Portugal to shoot up in a park or a cafeteria, you have to do it at home. This eliminates drug-tourism by itself, since they would be out of view and out of mind - and even then, add to tourism revenue :D

Either way, Portugal does not have any drug tourism to speak of, so it's a hypothetical problem that does not exist in reality.
 
Not only does criminalization extend the definition of crime, for example: It becomes an arrestable, punishable crime to be addicted to a substance

It creates criminal activity around processing and smuggling of substances, AND it raises the price significantly - making it yet more profitable to commit these crimes!

If cocaine had been widely available in pharmacies, created locally, and approved by the government - the price-per-gram would first of all be miniscule, because the price per gram has NOTHING to do with the rarity of a plant - coca is NOT rare AT ALL!
It has to do with each level of risk included in border crossings. The more people get killed in the war-on-drugs, the higher the cost of performing these services, carrying the drugs, loading the drugs, the trucks and planes and cargo ships involved
(don't think for a second these poor airport-mules with a kilo taped on their bellies are a serious part of the drug trade, they are usually "decoys", destined to be arrested, in order to let the REAL shipment pass through)

Decriminalization would eliminate all those elements ^, because there would be NO need for them.

This is why decriminalization proponents in Mexico get assasinated by "Los Zetas" and similar organizations, because they - least of ALL - want drugs to become legally available to addicts.
 
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