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@Hassknecht Wow, you're tall. I've seen some of your pics and you don't seem that tall. You look good though!

I will now go look up a Colt 1911, lol.
Everyone in Germany is and always have been pretty tall. I’m French-Polish-Italian. You put 3 short races together and expect anything different than me, you’re gonna have a bad time. My dads 6’3” tho. My uncle is 6’5”.

You know what I think I’m just short.
 
Everyone in Germany is and always have been pretty tall. I’m French-Polish-Italian. You put 3 short races together and expect anything different than me, you’re gonna have a bad time. My dads 6’3” tho. My uncle is 6’5”.

You know what I think I’m just short.
Well, I've also heard that Germans are complete dicks. All of them I've interacted with seemed like lovely individuals.

I'm Italian and Cherokee, with some other European country mixed in. No idea what it is.
 
Well, I've also heard that Germans are complete dicks. All of them I've interacted with seemed like lovely individuals.

I'm Italian and Cherokee, with some other European country mixed in. No idea what it is.
Ah. My family has... well, sheer unbridled testosterone running in it. My Italian family is descended from a bunch of Roman Centurions and a couple Praetors, my French family has a bunch of knights in it (one’ve whom died fighting against Flanders in the Battle of the Golden Spurs), and the Polish side of my family is descended from a duke, I wanna say Miezko II Lambert but don’t quote me on that.

Also, don’t tell Hass or any other German, but I’m like 1/10th Jewish, likely from one’ve my Roman ancestors fucking a Jewish house slave. (I’m kidding I’m sure Hass isn’t an anti-Semite lmao)
 
Ah. My family has... well, sheer unbridled testosterone running in it. My Italian family is descended from a bunch of Roman Centurions and a couple Praetors, my French family has a bunch of knights in it (one’ve whom died fighting against Flanders in the Battle of the Golden Spurs), and the Polish side of my family is descended from a duke, I wanna say Miezko II Lambert but don’t quote me on that.

Also, don’t tell Hass or any other German, but I’m like 1/10th Jewish, likely from one’ve my Roman ancestors fucking a Jewish house slave. (I’m kidding I’m sure Hass isn’t an anti-Semite lmao)


Ok, you're an odinist right? I know a bunch of far right people who follow that religion. So have you ever met anybody like that kind of thing?
 
Ok, you're an odinist right? I know a bunch of far right people who follow that religion. So have you ever met anybody like that kind of thing?
I have met neo-nazis and other odinists, but never in the same person. That being said, I know a lot of white supremacists see the religion as “a pure, white man’s creed” but thankfully I’ve never met another odinist of that type.

If you’re wondering, I’m not a white supremacist lol.

EDIT: I also live in New England; I have a feeling that if I went out west or south there would be more racist odinists
 
Do Americans actually feel like they need to remind people, and reassure themselves they're not a literal war zone and way better off than places that are while not including many of not all of the modelic countries in statistic (and many period for that matter, making the "the world", making the study seem more universal and valid than it really is false and 'maybe' clickbait)

Well knowing that they're one of the most populated nations in the planet when trying to pass a way bigger body count (already pretty liberally interpreting what mass shooting means and gun related deaths entirely) as a smaller percentage, when a majority of the states that would be comparable to the average European nation have clearly less favorable numbers, that the conspiracy theorists wouldn't be able to jerk themselves off to? Is this question rhetorical? Why do we live, is it just to suffer?
 
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Well knowing that they're one of the most populated nations in the planet when trying to pass a way bigger body count (already pretty liberally interpreting what mass shooting means and gun related deaths entirely) as a smaller percentage, when a majority of the states that would be comparable to the average European nation have clearly less favorable numbers, that the conspiracy theorists wouldn't be able to jerk themselves off to? Is this question rhetorical? Why do we live, is it just to suffer?

You'd be moving the goalposts in order to construct a narrative that fits the talking points that are presented in the for gun-control debate.

The entire Crime research report was generated in response to a NYT article that deliberately skewed its reporting in order to make the U.S. look worse than Baghdad. This ended up being a talking point that spurred the gun control discussion back in 2016. CR has a heavier conservative bias, but the data it uses to come to these conclusions is available and cited in the research. The NYT article didn't offer any supporting data or breadcrumb.

That's essentially what the debate is centralized around. An overreaction to poor journalism.
 
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We do not need to remind anybody anything unless someone like scalp or arnust makes sweeping generalizations.

It seems as if some of our euro brothers here are the ones making the U.S. out to be like a warzone when it is clearly not the case. Hence all the 'gunz are bad and we need to regulate them to the point of not bothering to own one'.

Just go back through the thread and one can see it is rife with arrogance on how Europe is better despite the vast disparity between population and culture. If I had a dollar every time I read, 'The U.S. would be so much better off if they did it the euro way', posts, I'd be rich.
 
We do not need to remind anybody anything unless someone like scalp or arnust makes sweeping generalizations.

It seems as if some of our euro brothers here are the ones making the U.S. out to be like a warzone when it is clearly not the case. Hence all the 'gunz are bad and we need to regulate them to the point of not bothering to own one'.

Just go back through the thread and one can see it is rife with arrogance on how Europe is better despite the vast disparity between population and culture. If I had a dollar every time I read, 'The U.S. would be so much better off if they did it the euro way', posts, I'd be rich.
People will ultimately take the side of their home country. You can lay out all the statistics you want right in front of them and they will still think their country is better. You can't change that.

And BTW, I'm not directing this at anyone in particular. Just an observation.
 
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Anyone remember the panama papers leak? Where the original reporter was basically murdered for covering how the super wealthy were hiding money offshore. Everyone got real quiet about that and resumed the vicious cycle of gun control and racism topics.

We're basically all stuck in a dyson vacuum cleaner operated by a rich douchebag. Everytime someone pipes up about why he didn't pay his taxes, he flicks the switch and next thing we know we're in a whirlwind of racism and gun control debates.

Welcome to the brave new world, folks.
 
Didn't the Panama Papers primarily target non U.S. citizens? There ya go, when news isn't part of the America focused circle jerk/paint America in a bad light, everyone goes quiet real fast.

Same with the ME. Russians and Iranians looking to increase their holdings in Syria, not a fucking peep. But oh yea, big bad U.S. supporting the Kurds.. Same in Yemen. It is totally chic to shit on the Saudis and America but the Houthis supported by Iran? Again, not one peep from the liberal media.
 
despite the vast disparity between population and culture
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Then again I guess "fuck you I got mine" counts as a cultural trait, sure.

Anyone remember the panama papers leak? Where the original reporter was basically murdered for covering how the super wealthy were hiding money offshore. Everyone got real quiet about that and resumed the vicious cycle of gun control and racism topics.

We're basically all stuck in a dyson vacuum cleaner operated by a rich douchebag. Everytime someone pipes up about why he didn't pay his taxes, he flicks the switch and next thing we know we're in a whirlwind of racism and gun control debates.

Welcome to the brave new world, folks.
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Yeah man, people can in fact only worry about one thing at once. It's the grand conspiracy bluepilling everyone. It's why you can't shit and piss at once. It's not like leftists as most of us here in pro GC don't already have for granted that just about literally everything could be at least amended with better distribution of wealth, let alone a massive overhaul of economical and government systems as they are now. Noo, it's not like that issue is also directly related to this, where crime is spurred and enhanced by it, and a majority can actually hardly afford their own basic sustenance to need to even worry defending themselves, even in the pointlessness of that.

After all, smokescreens are only something ZE LIBERAL MEDIA does. There's real issues at hand, like the ones that are actually in realistic reach and aren't just COMPLETELY ingrained in the status quo just yet but we don't want to talk about because it makes us uncomfortable that maybe our own situation is fucked even if we're not affected personally at all, and in fact it's hypocritical to care regardless, somehow.

The best part is that data like that seems to only work for those who seem to only be able to see a problem of violence by the body count. Not injured, not related, not the general level of fear, distrust and paranoia that ensues from, admittedly, being so vulnerable and likely to suffer to violence on your person or those around you that. Not the accidents or the problems that ensue of people being able to have arsenals that would make a Nigerian warlord envy them. Not the victims that actually become deaths by not having advanced medical facilities at reach anywhere. Hell, by doing only that, those shithole countries that are marked tomato red aren't so bad. Chad *only* has 100 deaths, that's way better than the US' 400! They seem to be doing something right!
 
Yeah man, people can in fact only worry about one thing at once. It's the grand conspiracy bluepilling everyone. It's why you can't shit and piss at once. It's not like leftists as most of us here in pro GC don't already have for granted that just about literally everything could be at least amended with better distribution of wealth, let alone a massive overhaul of economical and government systems as they are now. Noo, it's not like that issue is also directly related to this, where crime is spurred and enhanced by it, and a majority can actually hardly afford their own basic sustenance to need to even worry defending themselves, even in the pointlessness of that.

After all, smokescreens are only something ZE LIBERAL MEDIA does. There's real issues at hand, like the ones that are actually in realistic reach and aren't just COMPLETELY ingrained in the status quo just yet but we don't want to talk about because it makes us uncomfortable that maybe our own situation is fucked even if we're not affected personally at all, and in fact it's hypocritical to care regardless, somehow.

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The overall point has been that social programs getting the money they need would ultimately eliminate financial hardships experienced by people that rely on these programs. And by extension numerous other issues that result from people blaming everything and everyone around them. This isn't unique to the US.

Generally, when a report comes out (regardless of political spectrum) saying a first world country is about as violent as a third world country, it causes some brows to raise and wonder how true these claims are.

The best part is that data like that seems to only work for those who seem to only be able to see a problem of violence by the body count. Not injured, not related, not the general level of fear, distrust and paranoia that ensues from, admittedly, being so vulnerable and likely to suffer to violence on your person or those around you that. Not the accidents or the problems that ensue of people being able to have arsenals that would make a Nigerian warlord envy them. Not the victims that actually become deaths by not having advanced medical facilities at reach anywhere. Hell, by doing only that, those shithole countries that are marked tomato red aren't so bad. Chad *only* has 100 deaths, that's way better than the US' 400! They seem to be doing something right!

So what exactly is your solution? You've hit the same talking points without really saying anything all. So far you've just been asking rhetorical questions while simultaneously ignoring cited data because evidently that's not enough.

What is enough? Banning guns? Ok, let's entertain that. What similar bans have we enforced that did not strengthen black markets or end up having no effect?

You appear to hold the position that people shouldn't own or need to own rifles but handguns are ok. Alright. California (strict) has a murder rate by gun equal to Texas (lax). Can you explain that?
 
One solution that would not require any harsh gun regulations is to lift people out of poverty and to improve the social stability in society, for example trough free health care, excelent education, maybe even the UBI (Universal Basic Income).

But many people seem to oppose that as well.
 
One solution that would not require any harsh gun regulations is to lift people out of poverty and to improve the social stability in society, for example trough free health care, excelent education, maybe even the UBI (Universal Basic Income).

But many people seem to oppose that as well.
Why the hell would you want gun ownership if you don't have a proper anarchocapitalist hellhole to shoot your guns at poor people in?
 
Hmmm good point. A post-industrial society could solve that issue by having hunger-games like gladiator fights or just invent the purge where one day is a free-for-all shoot fest.

I think americans will love that.

Except for the Canadians, they will become treehuggers. We Europeans will probably be an islamic caliphate at that point.
 
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