Gun Control

How nuts must you be to believe that opposing taxing the rich, among most if not all of the general canon of stances GM has, does, somehow, not account for any part of the spectrum of *right wing*?
Being fiscally conservative doesn't make you right winger, kiddo. Being sarcastic, filled with bile, or calling someone a nutter doesn't change the fact that a lot of centrist political parties are fiscally conservative, you know?
 
Geez Luise, has this community become so ... politized that a little joke gets everyone so rattled up :/. He's been posting here since 2008. So chill a little Aurelius.
Will do chief. It’s just come to the point where I’m so used to being the scapegoat in my family’s arguments that at this point I bail whenever shit starts to even seem like it’s gonna go that way
 
How nuts must you be to believe that opposing taxing the rich, among most if not all of the general canon of stances GM has, does, somehow, not account for any part of the spectrum of *right wing*? Or Goofy being added to that equation resulting in "nazi", but that is such a nuanced and deep question we'd need a full thread for that. "Goofy and The Rise of the Denialist Alt Right". I like it.
Well, Goofy? As Nazi? Never. They would have euthanased him.

We all know who has the anger issues here ...
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It means "come and take them" in Greek.

I thought that was spam until I Googled the phrase.
There is an implied ending to that. That being if you dare to do it. Molon Labe is the final response to those in society who think they can enforce gun grabber laws. It says I'm done having a debate about my guns, just come and get them if you think you can.

Bring up the topic of gun legislation in most gun friendly places and you will see that phrase a lot. The debate for us is over. Pass whatever law you want, but taking them from us is a completely different thing.

I don't care what other countries do, though I pity those where the government disarms its citizens, but in the US it is part of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution. You cannot pass an amendment on the Bill of Rights because those rights are considered higher than any written law. To remove 2A you have to dissolve the Constitution and make another. At that point the US doesn't exist. States are free to not sign and join. My state will not sign it. We'll just restart the old nation we were before. Moreover, the entire military ceases to exist because enlisted men swear their oath to the Constitution. All military contracts become null. Good luck getting the military rank and file to show up if they think their next job is to invade US states and make them sign a new document without the 2A in it.

Gun grabbers in the US haven't thought it through yet. Telling their congresscriiter to make new gun laws is a pipe dream. The existing federal laws are already past the constitutional boundaries and would fare poorly if put to a test with SCOTUS. The fact is there will be fewer gun laws once the cases finish winding through the federal courts. If gun grabbers keep insisting then they will finally run into the Bill of Rights and the abyss that comes after that.

So yeah, the discussion of gun laws is over for me. I own guns for the reason that the Founders put 2A in there in the first place. So my government is required to fear me and all citizens who exercise their rights. Self defense, hunting, asset collecting, etc, they are just useful bonuses. There are more small arms in the hands of private US citizens than there is guns total in all the other private world citizens and all the militaries in the world combined. It's not even close to parity. There are far more battle tested US veterans in the US civilian population than in any regular army in the world, and every one is still under oath until death to protect the US Constitution. The oath isn't issued for a period of time. Gun grabber talk is noisy and cheap but you can bet those talking aren't willing to take those guns themselves.

So while I elaborated this one time, my standard response to gun control is Molon Labe.
 
Serious question to all gun lovers:

Let us say, Trump declares a state of Emergency. Would you take up your arms to remove the Tyranical government?
 
If, to say one, the humanitarian crisis and the general situation on the border wasn't "tyrannycal" or a syntome of such I dunno what people would actually be "motivated" to rally for, if I'm honest.
 
If, to say one, the humanitarian crisis and the general situation on the border wasn't "tyrannycal" or a syntome of such I dunno what people would actually be "motivated" to rally for, if I'm honest.
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If, to say one, the humanitarian crisis and the general situation on the border wasn't "tyrannycal" or a syntome of such I dunno what people would actually be "motivated" to rally for, if I'm honest.
So "tyrannical government" for you is "REEE Drumpf is not fixing world hunger and is too harsh on keeping illegal immigrants out".
 
So "tyrannical government" for you is "REEE Drumpf is not fixing world hunger and is too harsh on keeping illegal immigrants out".
Or REEE Drumpf is using horrific measures to prove to his racist base that he's strong on illegal immigration, despite the fact that illegal immigration is already the lowest it's been in decades, and children are dying as a result.
 
Or REEE Drumpf is using horrific measures to prove to his racist base that he's strong on illegal immigration, despite the fact that illegal immigration is already the lowest it's been in decades, and children are dying as a result.
It's still not quite what the whole "tyrannical government" is all about. Crni was asking about the whole 2nd Amendment being about forming a militia to overthrow a government that oppresses its own people, not overthrowing a government so that the borders are open to anyone.
 
So "tyrannical government" for you is "REEE Drumpf is not fixing world hunger and is too harsh on keeping illegal immigrants out".
I dunno, "treating future Americans who want to apply for citizenship like animals isn't cool" seems like a pretty sensible cause to me. It's not like we're taking about anything plausible anyway, the armed revolution is even more of a fantasy.

Considering most illegal immigrants are legal immigrants who haven't renewed their visas or applied for proper citizenship (yet) and decided to stay, it's kind of ironic that a wall is what is seen as the solution for their presence.
 
I dunno, "treating future Americans who want to apply for citizenship like animals isn't cool" seems like a pretty sensible cause to me. It's not like we're taking about anything plausible anyway, the armed revolution is even more of a fantasy.
What do you mean? My stockpile of small arms could easily take out a Reaper drone.

Considering most illegal immigrants are legal immigrants who haven't renewed their visas or applied for proper citizenship (yet) and decided to stay, it's kind of ironic that a wall is what is seen as the solution for their presence.
False. All illegal immigrants try to run across the border. Fox and Friends told me so, so it must be true.
 
It's still not quite what the whole "tyrannical government" is all about. Crni was asking about the whole 2nd Amendment being about forming a militia to overthrow a government that oppresses its own people, not overthrowing a government so that the borders are open to anyone.
You should consider the kind of power a President gets when he declares a National Emergency - that is, if the Congress will approve it, but let us hypothetically say they do - and then you should ask your self if someone like Trump should get this power.

Emergency presidential powers are dramatic, and range from suspending all laws regulating chemical and biological weapons, including the ban on human testing (50 U.S.C. § 1515, 1969); to suspending any Clean Air Act implementation plan or excess emissions penalty upon petition of a state governor (42 U.S.C. (f) § 7410 (f) 1977); to authorizing and constructing any unauthorized construction (10 U.S.C. (a) § 2808 (a), 1982) using any existing defense appropriations for any military constructions ($10.4 billion in FY2018[14]); to drafting any retired Coast Guard officers (14 U.S.C. § 331, 1963) or enlisted members (14 U.S.C. § 359, 1949) into active duty.

We are talking about giving this kind of authority to a person, that not only has shown no understanding of constitutional rights but also admires dictators - remember what he said about Kim?

So if this 2nd amendment wasn't written for someone like Trump, then I honestly do not know for what it was written for.

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To be honest though, I don'T believe any american will go and fight the government if Trump declares a state of emergency. Hell I don't think the Americans would overthrow their government even if Trump would use his 'new' poke powers (TRUMP EVOLVED TO DICTATOR!) to throw all muslims in concentration camps.
 
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You should consider the kind of power a President gets when he declares a National Emergency - that is, if the Congress will approve it, but let us hypothetically say they do - and then you should ask your self if someone like Trump should get this power.

Emergency presidential powers are dramatic, and range from suspending all laws regulating chemical and biological weapons, including the ban on human testing (50 U.S.C. § 1515, 1969); to suspending any Clean Air Act implementation plan or excess emissions penalty upon petition of a state governor (42 U.S.C. (f) § 7410 (f) 1977); to authorizing and constructing any unauthorized construction (10 U.S.C. (a) § 2808 (a), 1982) using any existing defense appropriations for any military constructions ($10.4 billion in FY2018[14]); to drafting any retired Coast Guard officers (14 U.S.C. § 331, 1963) or enlisted members (14 U.S.C. § 359, 1949) into active duty.

We are talking about giving this kind of authority to a person, that not only has shown no understanding of constitutional rights but also admires dictators - remember what he said about Kim?

So if this 2nd amendment wasn't written for someone like Trump, then I honestly do not know for what it was written for.
It was written for any president abusing a state of emergency, not just Trump. And even in the case of a state of emergency, it would depend on what the government makes of it. Does it use the power to efficiently control a real catastrophe, like a massive flood or a massive EMP attack? Or does it use some minor, made up shit as an excuse to rule in a totalitarian way, like Germany after the Reichstagsbrand? France has been under a state of emergency for quite a few years now, I think, and they haven't gone mad yet. Well, not totally at least. So yeah, it depends. If you think that because emergency presidential powers exist and since Trump is an evil, evil man and thus will likely abuse them and should thus be immediately overtrhown, well, that's fine.
I dunno, "treating future Americans who want to apply for citizenship like animals isn't cool" seems like a pretty sensible cause to me. It's not like we're taking about anything plausible anyway, the armed revolution is even more of a fantasy.

Considering most illegal immigrants are legal immigrants who haven't renewed their visas or applied for proper citizenship (yet) and decided to stay, it's kind of ironic that a wall is what is seen as the solution for their presence.
How come legal immigration into the US works at all? You think they're teargassing regular people at the border control points trying to apply for a visum? So if I wanted to apply for a visum to the US and work there and eventually apply for citizenship it's impossible, I'd get teargassed and beaten at the airport? Oh wait, you think me being white fixes everything. Look, if I'm in a foreign country and forget to renew my visum, I'm fucked. I'll either be very quick about getting it fixed, and hopeful that my office clerk has a good day, or I'll have to fuck off. I might not like it, but if I like it in a country I'll make sure I renew my visum on time.
Also, people who haven't renewed their visa are usually not on the outside of the fence, they're already inside. They're not the ones getting beaten up at the borders.
Last but not least, people getting teargassed at the border is not a new development under Trump. When a huge group of illegal immigrants try to rush a border, the border gets defended. You might not like the existence of borders, but that's the reality. Tear gas was also used under Obama, and Obama also held up entire families until their deportation. It's the sad reality of the existence of nations.
 
Let us say, Trump declares a state of Emergency. Would you take up your arms to remove the Tyranical government?
Oh no there was a really bad flood, best start killing fools now! Do you mean Martial Law? because there is a difference.
 
Oh no there was a really bad flood, best start killing fools now! Do you mean Martial Law? because there is a difference.
He's talking about Trump's threats to declare a national emergency in an attempt to get wall funding without congressional approval.
It was written for any president abusing a state of emergency, not just Trump. And even in the case of a state of emergency, it would depend on what the government makes of it. Does it use the power to efficiently control a real catastrophe, like a massive flood or a massive EMP attack? Or does it use some minor, made up shit as an excuse to rule in a totalitarian way, like Germany after the Reichstagsbrand? France has been under a state of emergency for quite a few years now, I think, and they haven't gone mad yet. Well, not totally at least. So yeah, it depends. If you think that because emergency presidential powers exist and since Trump is an evil, evil man and thus will likely abuse them and should thus be immediately overtrhown, well, that's fine.

How come legal immigration into the US works at all? You think they're teargassing regular people at the border control points trying to apply for a visum? So if I wanted to apply for a visum to the US and work there and eventually apply for citizenship it's impossible, I'd get teargassed and beaten at the airport? Oh wait, you think me being white fixes everything. Look, if I'm in a foreign country and forget to renew my visum, I'm fucked. I'll either be very quick about getting it fixed, and hopeful that my office clerk has a good day, or I'll have to fuck off. I might not like it, but if I like it in a country I'll make sure I renew my visum on time.
Also, people who haven't renewed their visa are usually not on the outside of the fence, they're already inside. They're not the ones getting beaten up at the borders.
Last but not least, people getting teargassed at the border is not a new development under Trump. When a huge group of illegal immigrants try to rush a border, the border gets defended. You might not like the existence of borders, but that's the reality. Tear gas was also used under Obama, and Obama also held up entire families until their deportation. It's the sad reality of the existence of nations.
And the kids being put in cages and then dying from neglect?
 
Oh no there was a really bad flood, best start killing fools now! Do you mean Martial Law? because there is a difference.
A national emergency, means a NATIONAL emergency, not just one state that's hit by floods.

Also, 120 000 American citizens can tell you, even today, how easy it is to loose your constitutional rights.



But they have been all terrorists I guess. So it was ok.

Terrorists, of which some fought against the Germans for the United States, I suppose.

The 442nd Infantry Regiment is an infantry regiment of the United States Army and is the only infantry formation in the Army Reserve. The regiment is best known for its history as a fighting unit composed almost entirely of second-generation American soldiers of Japanese ancestry (Nisei) who fought in World War II.

The 442nd Regiment is the most decorated unit in U.S. military history.

It's also interesting, that this wasn't done with American citizens which migrated from Germany.
 
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