People are only lamenting that because the anti-healthcare people keep bringing up 'But illegals get healthcare too now! It's horrible!'Cimmerian Nights said:
Healthcare reform just passed!
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.Pixote. said:
Depends on how you define "best". Most generous? Most efficient? Cheapest?
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Sander said:
Which is stupid. Because universal healthcare wasn't what passed. You still have to pay for it. And those who are really poor (and probably make up a lot of the, what, 15% that don't have healtcare) will be exempt from being required to purchase it. They still won't have healthcare.
Funny that you mention that considering how much America was bussy in the past to keep the economy of some of its neighbours like Cuba and some Southamerican states low ...Cimmerian Nights said:
I know that talking about the US consume of Mexican drugs might now explode the topic and would deserve a own thread. But that alone shows how much effect the US economy and politics have on other nations, intentionaly and unintentionally
Cimmerian Nights
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I'm not saying those aren't factors, but if folks want to use the plight of illegals, if they are sincerely concerned with improving their lot, perhaps they'd be best serving these people by looking at the big picture.
To end all meaningless speculation about illegals being a major load on the healthcare system, could anyone link to actual scientific data proving this? Or at least estimations of the total cost to the current system?
Though I doubt it if illegal aliens are allowed health care that it would really put that much preasure on the US economy. But as victor said. A few more informations and data about that topic would be nice.Cimmerian Nights said:
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It's inherently hard to quantify since the issue is in essence one of undocumented people. I imagine even if they do get eligibility many would be reluctant to seek any kind of treatment anyway for fear of being exposed and deported.
Professor Danger!
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Crni Vuk said:
It's big enough of a deal, that immigration is one of the hot topics.
Alphadrop
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alec said:
I thought Cuba did. Heck they don't even ask for any I.D if you go there.
You have little to no knowledge of Cuba or anything that goes on there, so for the sake of my blood pressure don't pretend that you do.
Indeed. I believe most Cubans are quite content with their lives, if it wasn't for the blockade-induced poverty.
Apart of political dissidents, people in Cuba are pretty happy. The people I know who were there always says that if it was not for the poverty there, it would probably be the first succesful socialist government.
And don't come telling me of the political repression there, as if there was no political repression in any place in the world. Its just a matter of touching the right spot, once you do that, ANY government in the world will make you pay.
And don't come telling me of the political repression there, as if there was no political repression in any place in the world. Its just a matter of touching the right spot, once you do that, ANY government in the world will make you pay.
Yup, dictatorship is pretty much the way to go, happy-wise.
Or is it
Or is it
uh, it was better before with their pretty cool democracy?
Per said:
Dictatorship isn't inherently bad or evil. Don't make the classic assumption that democracy > all
Professor Danger! said:
That's not a reason to not present numbers. In fact, it's a logical fallacy.
Some tangible proof of the whole "THEY TOOK OUR HEALTHCARE!" problem with the illegal immigrants would be nice. I understand they aren't legal and as such they aren't exactly tracked and logged, but then how do all of you complaining about illegals even know about the problem? Do you stand in your local emergency room interrogating people who look like they might be illegal immigrants? I'm not saying that an illegal immigrant has never sought out medical aid in the U.S., I just believe the issue is being blown far out of proportion.
If enough people talk with certainty about the existence of an evil Hitler robot monster hiding in the closet then more idiots will start to believe that there really is an evil Hitler robot monster hiding in the closet, regardless of the fact they have no proof of a hidden mechanical Hitler beast.
If enough people talk with certainty about the existence of an evil Hitler robot monster hiding in the closet then more idiots will start to believe that there really is an evil Hitler robot monster hiding in the closet, regardless of the fact they have no proof of a hidden mechanical Hitler beast.
What democracy?Radiated Heinz said:
Cuba is doing relatively good for a country in its position from a welfare position, but there's a lot of downsides too, mostly in the form of political oppression and a limitation of liberty.
I'm curious how people seem to know how happy those citizens are given the complete lack of data on that.
While the illegal immigrants aren't registered, shouldn't the hospital administration still administrate whenever people with no ID come in.Dirk Magirk said:
Even when a benevolent dictatorship works, what happens when mr benevolent dictator dies?victor said: