Hell is not frozen yet! (Diablo 3)

Jesus, these analogies.

College education is "optional". Yet on today's job market it is hard to survive without one.
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The fuck?

Imagine a terrorist-hostage situation which law enforcement decides to ignore because "well, they haven't killed anyone yet, it's silly to be concerned about something the terrorists COULD do".
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Holy fuck!

It's an analogy that works
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PROTIP: Analogies almost always weaken any argument (if your argument has merit then it will stand on its own). I'm running out of ways to be nice about this, so stop already :(

I'll just defer to Max Shaefer (Diablo creator and head development for Diablo 3's main competitor, Torchlight II) on the subject:




Diablo.IncGamers.com: Is it acceptable/ethical for a developer to require online full time for a non-MMORPG?
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Max Schaefer: Yes, provided it fits the requirements of what they want to do with the game. In this case, a fully secure economy MAY require it. Since we are not going down that road ourselves, I’m very hesitant to second-guess their approach. As a gamer, I’d be annoyed if I thought this were just a Kotick-inspired plan to soak the consumer, but knowing Blizzard and the guys over there, that’s NOT what’s happening here. I’m certain it’s to create a fair competitive environment for their players. If you are an offline or single-player type, that’s not going to appeal to you, but if you like to partake in the ladders, or sell your fancy loot, or play with the absolute knowledge that nobody has an unfair advantage, it makes sense.
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Also:

By the way, I think that there really is no meaningful distinction between Diablo 3 (or Diablo 2) and an MMORPG. By my reckoning, it is one, but that’s been my position for a long, long time.
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Well then!
 
PROTIP: Analogies almost always weaken any argument (if your argument has merit then it will stand on its own). I'm running out of ways to be nice about this, so stop already
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I guess they do weaken the argument, because apparently they can be refuted by screaming "holy fuck!" :roll:

I was trying to be nice to elaborate, but if you can't understand that taking something shady and making it official to make money off it is a bullshit excuse, then I can't help ya. And you can feel free to keep your "niceness" to yourself, please, I have no need for it.
 
but if you can't understand that taking something shady and making it official to make money off it is a bullshit excuse
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A bullshit excuse for what? Counter-terrorism? Or a college education?

Against all odds you managed to make your first post without an analogy even more confusing than the previous ones. You're gaming the system!

Or are we still on the drug war? Because I absolutely believe decriminalizing marijuana is in the best interests of law enforcement, national security, and the American taxpayer. So that's kind of a non-starter as well.
 
but the action house is more like Heroin.

So ... I am not sure what legal marijuana would change here.

cocain on the other hand.

What was the topic again ? Ahhh ... yeah. Hyperbole and strange analogies.
 
A bullshit excuse for what? Counter-terrorism? Or a college education?
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For not fixing the root of the problem, of course. Any problem, really. As for the rest of your post, I'm sorry, but I don't care to bother with feigned retardation.


As for one of the quotes you posted:
I’m certain it’s to create a fair competitive environment for their players.
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The AH will do the opposite of that. So the constant online connection is "to ensure fairness", but not unless Blizzard can make an extra buck by compromising that same fairness. Makes sense :roll:
 
Nothing seems to make any sense when viewed through your warped logic.

Yeah I'll just go ahead and take Max's word on this over yours, no offense.
 
Problem with what Max said is that it in no way explains why there can't be a separate, offline-only single-player mode that doesn't interact with the online community at all. In fact, it rather seems a good argument for it. Except for Blizzard's "our fan base is too retarded to understand what it means to start an offline character and they'll get frustrated later when they have to make a new character if they want to go online" excuse.

Which brings up back to... online-only is DRM, pure and simple. I don't know why Blizzard is adament in claiming that's not the reason.
 
Ausdoerrt said:
^That's exactly why AH is such a bad idea. It's fine if you wanna make money, but make drop rates reasonable enough so that people aren't forced to buy the items. I'd be personally pissed if that happened - I spend $60 to get the game, and then I have to spend more on in-game items so I can actually enjoy it.
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I'd say it has less to do with the AH being a bad idea and more to do with shitty design when it comes to drop rates.

Crni Vuk said:
I don't like the idea of "microtransactions" if I am honest. But that is for multi player games or games where you have no other costs because to really enjoy the game you HAVE to buy things for money (except your a masochist).
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Bullshit. Blizzard had Battle.net for years before their revamp and it never pushed them to the brink of bankruptcy because all of the games were hosted on the end users machines. I don't have a problem with the cash shop auction house due to it likely being present anyway but I'm with Ausdoerrt that it will provide Blizzard with no motivation to change the drop rates to something reasonable.

Kyuu said:
Except for Blizzard's "our fan base is too retarded to understand what it means to start an offline character and they'll get frustrated later when they have to make a new character if they want to go online" excuse.
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To be fair, this would happen and there would be people who would whine. That said, I'm with you that you could put up enough warnings that only the most retarded wouldn't understand them.
 
To be fair, this would happen and there would be people who would whine. That said, I'm with you that you could put up enough warnings that only the most retarded wouldn't understand them.
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Well, we did have people in FO:NV complaining that the game wouldn't let them return to the free-roam world after they initiate the end-game sequence, despite there being several warnings about it. So it's not unlikely. Still, I don't see why the standard for "average gamer" has to be based on the dumbest fraction of the user base at the expense of everyone else.

Perhaps they should issue video games a warning sticker saying "Warning: some reading required".
 
Well, we did have people in FO:NV complaining that the game wouldn't let them return to the free-roam world after they initiate the end-game sequence, despite there being several warnings about it.
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True. That said, even on the Bethesda forums these guys are quickly shot down (eveb if the topic seems to come back every week). As you said;

I don't see why the standard for "average gamer" has to be based on the dumbest fraction of the user base at the expense of everyone else.
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Too true. Dragon Age 2 demonstrated it quite clearly; only a fraction of people are attracted by shiny stuff and AWESOME!. The rest (on PC, at least, which is Blizzard's largest audience by far last time I checked, no offense to console gamers) want a game that stands on more than how many backflips the character makes in a minute.

Perhaps they should issue video games a warning sticker saying "Warning: some reading required".
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People don't seem to care about even the age restriction, despite it being clearly shown. I doubt anything short of a prompt taking half the box art AND the title screen will do much.
 
A shiny trailer and an exposition dump! If only I were still 14, this would be an instant buy.

How does Diamond Fats accomplish anything if he monologues throughout the day?
 
I gotta say that I really like the look of the new skill system that they are using. I am a bit disappointed by the promise that every class uses a different system but then having 3 of the 5 use the same system. I need to get around to watching some beta gameplay videos though...
 
I bought a new computer for this game. Diablo 3 baby !!!! That's all I got.....sorry.
 
I am sure D3 will be just as compelling as D2 - Blizzard has yet to disappoint me.

I, however, hardly have time for gaming as it is so I don't expect to be picking up D3 from the get go.

I am just as sure I eventually will though :)
 
EnigmaGrey said:
A shiny trailer and an exposition dump! If only I were still 14, this would be an instant buy.

How does Diamond Fats accomplish anything if he monologues throughout the day?
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Yeah... while the trailer was indeed gorgeous, Mr. Fats's (Azmodan apparently) monologuing was kinda cringe-inducing. The sort of thing I'd expect to see in a Saturday-morning cartoon.
 
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