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I have no idea what direction this thread has veered into, but from what I've skimmed, I've got an idea. I'll keep this short and sweet and then I'm dropping out again for now.

If the guy in the video with the dog was just making a joke, so be it. Jokes are one thing... However, freedom of speech should not mean freedom from consequences. The alt-right should not be given a platform to stand on to spread their hate, and when they march through the streets advocating death to all Jews, black people, etc., their free speech can go straight to hell.

Later, folks.
 
*sighs loudly* well I guess this is happening.

Nazis reserve their right to free speech; I reserve my right to punch a Nazi in the face. That’s my opinion.

However, I don’t think that people should be persecuted for words, no matter how hateful. That’s my fists job. When the law does it, it crosses a line.

Please don’t make me regret putting this out there.
 
R.Graves said:
the problem is then solved.
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With apologies in advance to Aurelius, I need to talk about this.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that the only way to prevent fascists from taking over was to create a government equally or even more authoritarian than the fascists themselves. Even in this scenario, it would still be preferable to allowing fascists to take control. Short of a world-ending event, there is no scenario worse than a fascist world order. The reason for this is that fascism is essentially a death cult. For the ideology to exist, it needs a group of people to declare subhuman and blame for the problems of the majority. Then, when that group is dead, they choose a new group. And the cycle will continue until everyone has been persecuted, imprisoned, and eventually executed.
AureliusofPhoenix said:
*sighs loudly* well I guess this is happening.

Nazis reserve their right to free speech; I reserve my right to punch a Nazi in the face. That’s my opinion.

However, I don’t think that people should be persecuted for words, no matter how hateful. That’s my fists job. When the law does it, it crosses a line.

Please don’t make me regret putting this out there.
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I'll try to keep this brief. On the surface, this seems fine, but then when it results in bloodshed you have people like R. Graves saying that if you hadn't punched the nazi, nothing bad would have happened. So we either need to accept gov intervention or get over the idea that beating up Nazis is wrong.
 
Yes, they have the right to free speech, but hate speech should NEVER be condoned. And in case anyone is thinking it: The whole "ignore the problem and it will go away" is a very silly mindset to have. These people should be mocked, ridiculed and shamed. If they have the right to spread their venom, people should have the right to knock the ever-loving shit out of them.

And no, I don't condone violence, but in this case it's to be expected.
 
Black Rose said:
Yes, they have the right to free speech, but hate speech should NEVER be condoned. And in case anyone is thinking it: The whole "ignore the problem and it will go away" is a very silly mindset to have. These people should be mocked, ridiculed and shamed. If they have the right to spread their venom, people should have the right to knock the ever-loving shit out of them.
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April I think we’re on the same page...? At no point did I condone it, and knocking the everloving shit out’ve them is literally what I AM condoning...?
 
Black Rose said:
However, freedom of speech should not mean freedom from consequences.
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it means freedom from LEGAL consequences.

if i were to release a video speaking about how black people are ruining this country i'd be disowned, kicked out of the house, and probably lose my job when they inevitably saw it. but i shouldn't be ARRESTED for it. that's all i'm saying here.

and btw the man was clearly joking. just watch the vid.
AureliusofPhoenix said:
Nazis reserve their right to free speech; I reserve my right to punch a Nazi in the face. That’s my opinion.
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... random acts of violence over disagreements are bad arry.
AureliusofPhoenix said:
At what cost?
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its like how in another thread where i advocated that failing a drug test be a death sentence and then having all employers be legally required to drug test employees and report the results.

in this scenario the war on drugs would end within a single presidential term. its pretty authoritarian but all you gotta do is not be a drugged out loser. oh! they should also drug test all people who are arrested. hell drug test for a hospital visit. drug test for welfare (the fact that this isn't a thing blows my mind). back the degenerates into such a corner that they have no choice but to get clean.
 
R.Graves said:
it means freedom from LEGAL consequences.

if i were to release a video speaking about how black people are ruining this country i'd be disowned, kicked out of the house, and probably lose my job when they inevitably saw it. but i shouldn't be ARRESTED for it. that's all i'm saying here.

and btw the man was clearly joking. just watch the vid.
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Fair enough, Graves. I understand your point.
 
R.Graves said:
it means freedom from LEGAL consequences.

if i were to release a video speaking about how black people are ruining this country i'd be disowned, kicked out of the house, and probably lose my job when they inevitably saw it. but i shouldn't be ARRESTED for it. that's all i'm saying here.

and btw the man was clearly joking. just watch the vid.

... random acts of violence over disagreements are bad arry.


its like how in another thread where i advocated that failing a drug test be a death sentence and then having all employers be legally required to drug test employees and report the results.

in this scenario the war on drugs would end within a single presidential term. its pretty authoritarian but all you gotta do is not be a drugged out loser. oh! they should also drug test all people who are arrested. hell drug test for a hospital visit. drug test for welfare (the fact that this isn't a thing blows my mind). back the degenerates into such a corner that they have no choice but to get clean.
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Are you equating fascism with drugs?
 
AureliusofPhoenix said:
as a former “drugged-out loser” that’s... crossing a line, legally. Fascism is fascism man.
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but think of this, if that system were already in place how likely would it have been for you to have even had the opportunity to go down that road? i guarantee you would've at the very least had a damn good reason not to.

and i'm happy you got clean. that's what the system would do. get clean or you're fucked.

yeah, growing up around drug dealers/addicts i have no sympathy for em. at all.

dealing drugs should be a death sentence too.

yfk12 said:
Are you equating fascism with drugs?
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nah i was talking about authoritarianism.
 
R.Graves said:
but think of this, if that system were already in place how likely would it have been for you to have even had the opportunity to go down that road? i guarantee you would've at the very least had a damn good reason not to.

and i'm happy you got clean. that's what the system would do. get clean or you're fucked.

yeah, growing up around drug dealers/addicts i have no sympathy for em. at all.

dealing drugs should be a death sentence too.
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Oh sure, because prohibition worked so well. Also, weren't you anti-government overreach like 10 minutes ago?
 
Oh, on another note, and there's no way to put this without being brash, so apologies in advance:

WTF is up with every debate topic veering down the racism path? yfk created the Racism thread because it was getting out of hand in the Gun Control thread, and now here we are in this one.

Is this a curse?
 
Black Rose said:
Oh, on another note, and there's no way to put this without being brash, so apologies in advance:

WTF is up with every debate topic veering down the racism path? yfk created the Racism thread because it was getting out of hand in the Gun Control thread, and now here we are in this one.

Is this a curse?
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Yes.
 
@R.Graves I’m sorry you feel that way, brother. But I’d have done drugs regardless to numb the pain. I wouldn’t be here today if that system was in place and I think we both know it.
 
R.Graves said:
its like how in another thread where i advocated that failing a drug test be a death sentence and then having all employers be legally required to drug test employees and report the results.

in this scenario the war on drugs would end within a single presidential term. its pretty authoritarian but all you gotta do is not be a drugged out loser. oh! they should also drug test all people who are arrested. hell drug test for a hospital visit. drug test for welfare (the fact that this isn't a thing blows my mind). back the degenerates into such a corner that they have no choice but to get clean.
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What about the people who smoke pot? I'm sorry man, but a death sentence for failing a drug test? That's just fucking ridiculous.
 
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