How Do You Feel About Gender Identity Hw ?

[CT Phipps]

I personally think that it's ridiculous. You can't just change your gender whenever you want. And the fake genders are even more ridiculous. If you have a dick you're a guy. If you have a vagina you're a girl. The End.

I think gender is basically a social construct because men and women are identical aside from their bits. So, if someone wants to be called that, they can be called that.

Either way, persecuting them for it is assholish.

 

[Hassknecht]

I think gender is basically a social construct because men and women are identical aside from their bits. So, if someone wants to be called that, they can be called that.

Either way, persecuting them for it is assholish.

There's a bit more to that. Research shows that the development of children is apparently much more nature than nurture. And the various physiological differences between men and women have been measured and absolutely exist, not just in the body, but within the brain as well.
Men and women are not identical. Genetics and hormonal levels and so on and so forth all play a big role in the formation of the personality. Of course, there is a part that is socially constructed (if only because this shit is so loosely defined that it's basically unfalsifiable), but you can never eradicate gender differences by education and upbringing.
What makes people not like and understand this is that they don't get that statistics don't necessarily say much about the individual.
"Well, women, on average, tend to be *insert statistics here* than men."
-" BUT *insert individual case here*!!!"

People should be able to be as they wish to be and express themselves how they want (if they're not actively hurting someone else, of course), though.

 

[Deleted member 93956]

The best part of the argument against of "well what purpose does it serve to us as a species" is the fact of us, a bunch of assholes yappering in some back alley forum to even less of an actual end in the grand scheme of things, or just our lives.

 

[TheGM]

Sure, if fallacies are your thing.

Overextended Outrage

Outraged? I think it is fucking funny. I think it is funny that people twist in knots to try and justify how mutilating genitals is completely different then handicapping themselves. You want to do either or both, be my guest but sure as shit don't get mad when people think it sounds stupid.

 

[Crni Vuk]

So Neonazis stand for every Trump supporters and every gun owner is represented by the Las Vegas shooter. Gotcha!

I realize now that you're not interested in a meaningfull debate and just want to ridicule ever statement without ever adressing any argument. I am a slow learner, I admit, but eventually I do catch up.

 

[TheGM]

So Neonazis stand for every Trump supporters and every gun owner is represented by the Las Vegas shooter. Gotcha!

Are you like dumb or something?

I realize now that you're not interested in a meaningfull debate

What is with you assholes and debates, this was never a debate. it was barely a conversation considering half the shit you type is word salad.

I am a slow learner, I admit

Obviously.

but eventually I do catch up.

Magic 8-Ball says nope.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Crni, you are the saving grace of this thread

 

[MutantScalper]

If USA has a problem with mutilating genitals then they should stop the ritualistic mutilation of baby boys genitals.

 

[CT Phipps]

There's a bit more to that. Research shows that the development of children is apparently much more nature than nurture. And the various physiological differences between men and women have been measured and absolutely exist, not just in the body, but within the brain as well.

Eh, a lot of the research in brain development is bullshit and continues to get trotted it out long after it's been disproven. Yes, there are a lot of fundamental things which cannot be changed about a person voluntarily like sexual attraction. Also, urges we cannot control. However, identity is something that people have often tried to regulate and almost always fucks up as well as causes nothing but misery.

I believe it falls upon our duty as a species to be better, kinder, and more understanding. Which means people should be allowed to be who they want.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Are you like dumb or something?

You really don't get the irony of it right now, do you? I mean like, you're physically incapable.

 

[Hassknecht]

Eh, a lot of the research in brain development is bullshit and continues to get trotted it out long after it's been disproven. Yes, there are a lot of fundamental things which cannot be changed about a person voluntarily like sexual attraction. Also, urges we cannot control. However, identity is something that people have often tried to regulate and almost always fucks up as well as causes nothing but misery.

I believe it falls upon our duty as a species to be better, kinder, and more understanding. Which means people should be allowed to be who they want.

Sure, a lot might be junk, but it's better than "some french philosopher once said that everything is a social construct".
But of course, everyone should be allowed to be who they want, no doubt about it.

 

[Crni Vuk]

The problem is, that there are simply way to many experts in psychology, brain development and biology professors posting in here. This always makes a mess out of such topics.

 

[TheGM]

You really don't get the irony of it right now, do you? I mean like, you're physically incapable.

Try post-irony but in a unironic fashion.

 

[Risewild]

Outraged? I think it is fucking funny. I think it is funny that people twist in knots to try and justify how mutilating genitals is completely different then handicapping themselves.

So let me get this straight and out of the way.
If all of a sudden a guy/girl loses/gains his/a dick, it is as incapacitating as that guy/girl losing a/both leg(s) or arm(s)?

 

[Deleted member 93956]

So let me get this straight and out of the way.
If all of a sudden a guy/girl loses/gains his/a dick, it is as incapacitating as that guy/girl losing a/both leg(s) or arm(s)?

Yes, he's totally not associating any sort of diversion from standard gender conventions as crippling self-mutilation.

 

[TheGM]

So let me get this straight and out of the way.
If all of a sudden a guy/girl loses/gains his/a dick, it is as incapacitating as that guy/girl losing a/both leg(s) or arm(s)?

According to people and even some in this topic if somebody slices their own penis off in the kitchen with a ginsu knife they have mental problems comparable to the person with wants to pop their legs off and hobble their eyes, HOWEVER if they were to pay somebody in Tijuana to do that snip snip tuck tuck THEY are of sound mind, don't judge pls no bully.

 

[Deleted member 93956]

Well, if they're seeking a professional to take care of that and can afford and arrange them, which means that they've gone through psychological consult to be sure that's what they really need/want, and how to proceed about it...

They'll usually be AT LEAST A BIT more stable than those people (who, as we are being assured, totally exist, and if they do, are everything but exceptional) that are trying to perform transition operations with kitchen appliances.

 

[TheGM]

Well, if they're seeking a professional to take care of that and can afford and arrange them, which means that they've gone through psychological consult to be sure that's what they really need/want, and how to proceed about it...

Hence the person who wanted a surgeon to sever their spine being a sound reasonable individual.

They'll usually be AT LEAST A BIT more stable than those people (who, as we are being assured, totally exist, and if they do, are everything but exceptional) that are trying to perform transition operations with kitchen appliances.

And the individual(s) who recognizes they can't afford or the state won't pay for their transition so they kill their dick off with rubber bands? what is your opinion on them?

While I'm here, what do people think of Transracialism. The process of going from a white person to a black person via tanning beds and hair curlers?

 

[Deleted member 93956]

Ah, so you've given up talking about anything actually at hand. It's okay, man. I get it. After all, it's hard to sustain blatant bullshit for that long.

And the individual(s) who recognizes they can't afford or the state won't pay for their transition so they kill their dick off with rubber bands? what is your opinion on them?

I can't really have an opinion on someone that has probably killed themselves by about then, sadly.

You can he as hyperbolic as you want, but the only reasonable thesis I can gather is that you're JUST so earnestly worried for their personal wellbeing. Which really, it's very sweet. It's totally not the "I'm not racist but-" of gender identity and transsexualism. I just doubt nobody applicable would actually need your advice or help about anything remotely related to this, so that tangent hardly goes anywhere.

 

[Crni Vuk]

According to people and even some in this topic if somebody slices their own penis off in the kitchen with a ginsu knife they have mental problems comparable to the person with wants to pop their legs off and hobble their eyes, HOWEVER if they were to pay somebody in Tijuana to do that snip snip tuck tuck THEY are of sound mind, don't judge pls no bully.

You're constantly comparing apple trees with oranges here. That's all your're doing.

Can you quote someone directly where they said, that severing your spine or cutting of your leg is a healthy behaviour? I don't think so.

What you have a problem with, for some reason, is to consider nuances and accepting the fact that certain people simply do not feel well in their bodies. I do not understand why this is a problem for you.

And the individual(s) who recognizes they can't afford or the state won't pay for their transition so they kill their dick off with rubber bands? what is your opinion on them?

What's your opinion on people that take a gun to their head and pull the trigger because they feel this is the only choice they have right now?

What I think is that someone must be under a huge amount of preasure and suffering terribly under his own emotions, in such a way that cutting of his penis is the only thing he can do right now to ease the urge and preasure. And that's not something anyone here can probably even imagine. What ever if that is actually HELPFULL is a whole different question! And OF COURSE THIS IS NOT A HEALTHY BEHAVIOUR, NO ONE HERE EVER CLAIMED IT WOULD BE! You're constantly creating strawmen and other fallacies, believing they would be arguments, which they are not.

Not all people have the same issues and not all of them can be solved in the same way. But stigmatizing people for it, is the wrong way to deal with the issue, everyone has to be treated individually. If you're actually interested in people and their well beeing, than you at least try to take their suffering serious and trying to find out why they think their behaviour is the only correct one. And no, this has NOT to mean that you always AGREE with their behaviour!

All you're doing here, is that you're constantly throwing stuff together, which shows one and only one thing. That you have no clue about what we're actually talking about.

Hence the person who wanted a surgeon to sever their spine being a sound reasonable individual.

No one ever said in here, that this was a resonable thing to do! Stop to continue with this straw man.

I honestly believe, someone like you would have also felt fine with conversation therapies for homosexuals 60 years ago defending them like a true zealot.