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Arnust said:
What I wonder is how does that matter at all. Does biological determinism give you such a hardon? They're more aware of that than anyone. But chromosomes are rather irrelevant when It comes to simple agency on deciding what kind of person you want to be and how do you want to be treated and seen as to be the most comfortable about yourself in daily life.
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Whether it gives me a hardon or not is fucking irrelevant, as it's real and it's here to stay for the foreseeable future (or at least until the transhumanists perfect transfers of consciousness between suitable vessels)

Arnust said:
That's dysphoria and that isn't literally it either.
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Wrong. If you are not dysphoric, YOU ARE NOT TRANS. You are a fucking tucute trender piece of shit or an autogynephile. Also, dysphoria is not having the wrong brain in the wrong body - it's FEELING like you have the wrong brain in the wrong body. If you are dysphoric you do not need surgery or HRT. You need something to tell your brain to calm the fuck down. It is no coincidence that transgenderism exhibits EXTRAORDINARY comorbidity with a number of documented mental illnesses. (This is because transgenderism is ALSO A MENTAL ILLNESS.)

Transgenderism is the only dysmorphic disorder where we actually willingly INDULGE the delusions and warped desires of mentally broken people. Why is this? Because there are people who shut down every valid line of research into actually fucking FIXING the problem, and they do it with the word "transphobic".
 
Fun fact, both of you posted links from professional medical institutions of almost exactly 30 000 members.

I'm curious though, why is Cliffy so furiously fucking outraged at this? I know he is furiously fucking outraged at everything, I'd love to see him stump his toe or something benign like that, imagine the calamity!

However, I've always been welcoming to the idea that transgenderism might be something off in someone's head. Why wouldn't it be? Should someone have a penis - and then insist on being a woman - be something completely ordinary? It's a walking, talking contradiction. But it's not necesarily enfuriating. It's very rare, when we compare to the average population. Way rarer than for example homosexuality, which is rare enough.

(Also, have in mind, there's something off in MY head, so when I say something's off in other people's heads, that's not criticism, but just my enthusiastically extending my own imperfection as a possible explanation for other peoples less-than-conformity, whatever it may be)

Perplexing, to be sure. But so is Cliffy's inability to not blow all of his fuses every breathing moment of his life.

(Also, damn I keep forgetting, we should define "mentally ill" (instead of being SUPER ANGRY at it), which would - maybe - move the debate-portion of this thread forward)
 
yfk12 said:
And mine's about that same medical institution denouncing his report.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...51e56e-0d85-11e7-ab07-07d9f521f6b5_story.html
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After they got badgered, harassed and threatened by LGBT "advocates".

Ziggy Stardust said:
Bill Nye said transgender people aren’t insane. He’s a smart guy. And yet that’s not my argument.
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Bill Nye is well out of his depth to be talking about anything but certain types of engineering, for one. And trans people are fucking certifiably non compos mentis. It is a mental illness and DECLASSIFYING AS ONE (at the demand of LGBT "advocates") has done nothing but HARM actual transgender people.

McHugh is absolutely correct when he says the answer to transgenderism lies in psychiatry and not in surgery. But you see, he's a TRANSPHOBE now, so no one listen to him. You fucking morons.
 
Cliffy McEdgeface said:
After they got badgered, harassed and threatened by LGBT "advocates".



Bill Nye is well out of his depth to be talking about anything but certain types of engineering, for one. And trans people are fucking certifiably non compos mentis. It is a mental illness and DECLASSIFYING AS ONE (at the demand of LGBT "advocates") has done nothing but HARM actual transgender people.

McHugh is absolutely correct when he says the answer to transgenderism lies in psychiatry and not in surgery. But you see, he's a TRANSPHOBE now, so no one listen to him. You fucking morons.
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Alright. Homosexuality was in the books as a mental disorder till around 50 years ago. How is this different.

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By the way, you use “non compos mentos” the same way you pretend other people use “transphobe”
 
Cliffy McEdgeface said:
After they got badgered, harassed and threatened by LGBT "advocates".
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The Hopkins faculty and medical community in general weren't thrilled about it either.

"Although the New Atlantis is a small publication, the report dismayed many in the Hopkins medical community and beyond. Those included Dean Hamer, a scientist at the National Institutes of Health for several decades and one of the first researchers to identify a genetic link to homosexuality. Hamer termed some of the authors’ statements 'pure balderdash.'"

"The result: In October, Poteat and a half-dozen colleagues at the university’s Bloomberg School of Public Health denounced the report, writing that it “mischaracterizes the current state of the science on sexuality and gender.” More than 600 students, faculty members, interns, alumni and others at the medical school also signed a petition calling on the university and hospital to disavow the paper.

“These are dated, now-discredited theories,” said Chris Beyrer, a professor at the public health school and part of the faculty group that denounced McHugh’s stance."
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Alright. Homosexuality was in the books as a mental disorder till around 50 years ago. How is this different.
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What makes you think homosexuality ISN'T a mental disorder? (About the only reason I wouldn't agree to take a pill that makes me completely fucking straight these days is because dealing with modern women is like walking through a minefield blindfolded, but I digress) You've had people building up this whole "LOVE IS LOVE" shit for decades and no one has really bothered to try and figure out what makes non-straight people tick exactly. We've narrowed down some POSSIBLE causes (presence of certain hormones/chemicals during pregnancy, for one) but we can't figure out exactly how this shit works. It would be safe to say that homosexuality is both highly maladaptive and fairly aberrant/rare in the grand scheme of things. I'm really not fucking entirely convinced that homosexuality isn't simply a mental disorder whose maladaptive nature simply doesn't matter quite as much in a burgeoning society with things like adoption and spermbanks and surrogacy.

(Incidental homosexual behavior among male (and sometimes female) animals is present in many places in the animal kingdom. Actual, outright homosexuality seems to be VASTLY more rare, or at least much harder to spot.)

yfk12 said:
The Hopkins faculty and medical community in general weren't thrilled about it either.

"Although the New Atlantis is a small publication, the report dismayed many in the Hopkins medical community and beyond. Those included Dean Hamer, a scientist at the National Institutes of Health for several decades and one of the first researchers to identify a genetic link to homosexuality. Hamer termed some of the authors’ statements 'pure balderdash.'"

"The result: In October, Poteat and a half-dozen colleagues at the university’s Bloomberg School of Public Health denounced the report, writing that it “mischaracterizes the current state of the science on sexuality and gender.” More than 600 students, faculty members, interns, alumni and others at the medical school also signed a petition calling on the university and hospital to disavow the paper.

“These are dated, now-discredited theories,” said Chris Beyrer, a professor at the public health school and part of the faculty group that denounced McHugh’s stance."
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"If we get enough people screaming TRANSPHOBIC at it, it becomes null and void! See? NYAH!"
 
Cliffy McEdgeface said:
What makes you think homosexuality ISN'T a mental disorder? (About the only reason I wouldn't agree to take a pill that makes me completely fucking straight these days is because dealing with modern women is like walking through a minefield blindfolded, but I digress) You've had people building up this whole "LOVE IS LOVE" shit for decades and no one has really bothered to try and figure out what makes non-straight people tick exactly. We've narrowed down some POSSIBLE causes (presence of certain hormones/chemicals during pregnancy, for one) but we can't figure out exactly how this shit works. It would be safe to say that homosexuality is both highly maladaptive and fairly aberrant/rare in the grand scheme of things. I'm really not fucking entirely convinced that homosexuality isn't simply a mental disorder whose maladaptive nature simply doesn't matter quite as much in a burgeoning society with things like adoption and spermbanks and surrogacy.

(Incidental homosexual behavior among male (and sometimes female) animals is present in many places in the animal kingdom. Actual, outright homosexuality seems to be VASTLY more rare, or at least much harder to spot.)
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Okay, just to be clear, homosexuality is not a mental illness according to the WHO and APA, so let’s not put that up for debate without hard facts.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Okay, just to be clear, homosexuality is not a mental illness according to the WHO and APA, so let’s not put that up for debate without hard facts.
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Fucking think about it for a minute. What purpose would outright homosexuality serve a species? It is inherently maladaptive and this can only effectively be counteracted with societal artifice. EVEN IN SOCIETY it creates obvious tension among BOTH SEXES. (Ever seen a homophobic woman btw? Turn down her advances at a bar, watch her drop the faggot-bomb like it's going out of style)

It could be argued that anything sufficiently maladaptive is a disorder. I don't see how homosexuality is actually any different. Lots of people lead otherwise healthy lives while having disorders, but it doesn't make them not-disordered.
 
Cliffy McEdgeface said:
Fucking think about it for a minute. What purpose would outright homosexuality serve a species? It is inherently maladaptive and this can only effectively be counteracted with societal artifice. EVEN IN SOCIETY it creates obvious tension among BOTH SEXES. (Ever seen a homophobic woman btw? Turn down her advances at a bar, watch her drop the faggot-bomb like it's going out of style)

It could be argued that anything sufficiently maladaptive is a disorder. I don't see how homosexuality is actually any different. Lots of people lead otherwise healthy lives while having disorders, but it doesn't make them not-disordered.
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Maybe we’re supposed to balance out the straight people so we don’t overpopulate the world. If so... boy did that go well. To call it a disorder would mean not wanting kids would also be a mental disorder. And if you’re so calm about homosexuality, why does gender get your ears steaming?
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Maybe we’re supposed to balance out the straight people so we don’t overpopulate the world. If so... boy did that go well. To call it a disorder would mean not wanting kids would also be a mental disorder. And if you’re so calm about homosexuality, why does gender get your ears steaming?
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There are already many depopulation mechanisms present in nature. We call them Pestilence, Famine, War and Death in mythology, but suffice it to say they were there long before the Christians came around. If homosexuality is a population control measure, it's failing fucking miserably.

Not wanting kids is a choice. Are you suggesting gay people choose to be gay? That's mighty fucking backwards of you.

Gender gets my "ears steaming" because of all the sex-related bridges people have tried to cross so far this is arguably the most fucking harmful (at least until we see a serious attempt at classifying pedophilia as anything but the harmful paraphilia and/or sickness it is). It's not only the most outright harmful, it's now being aimed at KIDS. (Which, given the genesis of "modern gender theory" in John Money's pedo-playpen/office, shouldn't really be all that surprising.)
 
Cliffy McEdgeface said:
Fucking think about it for a minute. What purpose would outright homosexuality serve a species? It is inherently maladaptive and this can only effectively be counteracted with societal artifice. EVEN IN SOCIETY it creates obvious tension among BOTH SEXES. (Ever seen a homophobic woman btw? Turn down her advances at a bar, watch her drop the faggot-bomb like it's going out of style)

It could be argued that anything sufficiently maladaptive is a disorder. I don't see how homosexuality is actually any different. Lots of people lead otherwise healthy lives while having disorders, but it doesn't make them not-disordered.
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Mental disorder is defined as a behavioral or mental pattern that causes impairment of personal functioning.
There is no evidence to suggest that homosexuals function any worse than heterosexuals.
 
It’s not being aimed at kids. Kids who aren’t cisgender are finally being given a community in which they can feel comfortable. Anyway, thats my two cents. I’m gonna move on to a lighter thread.
 
yfk12 said:
Mental disorder is defined as a behavioral or mental pattern that causes impairment of personal functioning.
There is no evidence to suggest that homosexuals function any worse than heterosexuals.
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If they want to reproduce, they can't produce offspring without some kind of external help. I would call that dysfunction. Oh, yeah, and then there's the STD infection rate among gay men. That's actually getting to be a real problem with things like treatment-resistant gonorrhea being out there in the wild. (Might be less dysfunction here and more outright retardation, but w/e)
 
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