How Do You Feel About Gender Identity Hw ?

[TheGM]

Ah, so you've given up talking about anything actually at hand

Well I had addressed multiple things at hand and wanted to expanded the discussion, if you don't want to go down that avenue, that is your prerogative.

You can he as hyperbolic as you want

Oh that is real, people use rubberbands on their dicks to stop the blood flow so they die and fall off. it is real thing. They got it from castrating bulls.

What's your opinion on people that take a gun to their head and pull the trigger because they feel this is the only choice they have right now?

My opinion is that mental health care should be easily accessible to all. Do you have a problem with that?

I honestly believe, someone like you would have also felt fine with conversation therapies for homosexuals 60 years ago defending them like a true zealot.

Well if that is what you truly believe that would make you a putz. Nobody gives a fuck about gay people, it is year, just move on.

 

[BigGuyCIA]

My opinion is that mental health care should be easily accessible to all. Do you have a problem with that?

Interestingly enough this is a catch-22 amongst the more extreme trans-activists. WHO no longer considers it a mental condition but insurance companies (and medicare as of 2014), go by the APA classification (gender dysphoria) and do provide coverage for gender re-assignment provided that certain requirements are met.

If there's a ripple effect from the APA adopting the WHO's definition (and in turn insurance companies adopting the APA's new classification), that means hundreds of trans-patients lose coverage for tools intended to ease and assist with transition because the condition is considered "cosmetic" and not a mental health issue.

 

[Crni Vuk]

My opinion is that mental health care should be easily accessible to all. Do you have a problem with that?

No of course not. That's a very good and rational approach.

I just don't understand why you throw transexuals into the same basket like a self injury disorder/body mutilation. Everyone who ever had even the slightest knowledge of psychology can tell you, that it's not the same. And I still do not understand why you believe that extreme examples, would be exemplary for the majority of transgenders out there. There are people with the intense urge to cut off parts of their body, expecialy their genitalia and yes they need help. But there are as well people out there which simply feel traped in the wrong body. And they are not always the same case. Broadly speaking, as far as the resarch goes, there hasn't really been a clear definition on the subject of gender and in our classes we're not teached one either, because simply put, in science there is no 'definition', what gender is, I quote:

The distinction between sex and gender differentiates a person's biological sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from that person's gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In this model, the idea of a "biological gender" is an oxymoron: the biological aspects are not gender-related, and the gender-related aspects are not biological.

I've spend several months with heavily depressed people in the past, from borderline personalities and all kinds of mental disorders. I really want to work in that field one day, eventually as psychologist for children and teenagers, but that's very far in the future. If we really care about people and their well beeing than we have to be accepting of their issues and the way how they feel about it. Regardless if we're talking about someone who's believing that Elvis Presley is an alien from Mars telling him to jump of a bridge, or someone who's clinically depressed. You can't help people ease their suffering, if you call them weird or telling them their feelings are 'wrong'. Stigmatizing people, isn't helpfull.

 

[Deleted member 93956]

if we're talking about someone who's believing that Elvis Presley is an alien from Mars telling him to jump of a bridge

What, YOU wouldn't listen to Elvis Presley?

But yeah, the actual transition doesn't even ever take place for what probably actually is a majority of people applicable. Wether because of inaccesible means or just fear of the actual process when they *AHEM* should be able to be treated as they ask and/or deserve to regardless, the scenario where this is untrue another examlpe of impediments, and whatever other sorts of indisposition. And, well, getting depressed to shit. Which makes GM's "MUTILATION MUTILATION MUTILATION" a rather moot point.

 

[R.Graves]

if you're even questioning your gender proper then you're at least some degree of mentally ill. period. that's all well and good though who doesn't have a mental defect? i myself suffer from severe depression, self hatred AND narcissism. yeah self hatred and narcissism. at the same time. go figure. oh also i like dicks. while we're on the subject of mentally ill faggots i'd appreciate it if the T in LGBT would fuck right off. get your own movement assholes. your mental condition is not a sexuality and i don't like being associated with fucking these people



you know the ones. the ones who demand that the entire world change the way it fucking speaks and thinks to fit their worldview. its completely ridicolous. and honestly transitioning in and of itself is kinda low key sexist. these people create their entire personality around a stereotype. women wear makeup. they like frilly things. they don't have dicks. thye're overly emotional and needy. also their suicide rate is beyond retarded. (side note: men commit suicde more than women but women attempt it more just another thing men are better at i guess) and i can't say i believe that has anything to do with oppression. i honestly believe its because they're mentally ill. how in the holy living fuck coulld HRT or bodily mutilation ever be seen as a reasonable remedy for a MENTAL problem? oh you have a mental issue? let's destroy your fucking body. maybe that'll help with you self image issues. maybe if you're crotch looked like a frankenstiens eldritch nightmare you'd feel better. and i'm not saying it cant work

this one seems fine

but like... like you can tell. tits are sturdy AF. in a still image. idfk.
maybe this is just opinion but generally speaking now matter how well it turns out they were cuter when they were just a faggot

at any rate? should pronouns be respected? absolutely yes what am i an assshole? as long as it he, she, him, or her i'm all for it. there's a place for evryone in this world.

i just thing we're going about this the wrong way as a society. we are caring wrong and as a result we're letting the mentally ill destroy themselves in droves. in more ways than one too. and to me, that's the saddest thing of all.

also i'm actually drunk as fuck right now.

anyways, gender identity shouldn't concern anyone. and half the people it does concern end up offing themselves anyways so honeslty who gives a fuck? apparently no one because everyone's on so board with acceptance that it doesn't matter that almost half of people with gender identity issues commit suicide there's nothing wrong with them lol.

 

[Cliffy McEdgeface]

The T being appended to the LGB was a mistake with repercussions that will probably last decades, and should be considered negative for all involved.

(The Q is retarded made-up bullshit and should be discarded forthwith.)

EDIT: Actually, I would argue that the whole idea of the LGBT as something separate from the norm in society has done none of its members any favors. Everything the LGBT does to wave around the "I'm so different! Being normal is so boring!" flag is corrosive to its supposed endgoal of acceptance by society at large. Pride parades are HIGHLY corrosive, often polarizing people against them when they turn into contests of "who can be more depraved in a public space?".

 

[WeissYohji]

I personally think that it's ridiculous. You can't just change your gender whenever you want. And the fake genders are even more ridiculous. If you have a dick you're a guy. If you have a vagina you're a girl. The End.

Fake my aching ass! You can be female because you lost your schlong in a penis-swordfighting contest (some flatworms). You can be female because you were originally male and then changed sexes after the only female in your group died, and vice fucking versa (clownfish, parrotfish). You can have males that look and act female because they're trying to get close enough to actual females to mate with them (cuttlefish, bluegills, and some others). You can be female and have a mini-penis (spotted hyenas). You can even be one of many thousands of sexes (slime molds and some mushrooms).

What? You only mean HUMANS? Let's count the ways! You can be male because you were born with a female body but have 5-alpha-reductase deficiency and thus grew a dick at the age of twelve. You can be female and genetically XY because you have an insensitivity to androgens. You can also be XY and female because your Y chromosome is missing a SRY gene. You can be male and XX because one of your X's HAS the SRY gene. You can be male because you have two X chromosomes AND a Y. You can be female because you only have one X chromosome at all. You can be female because you were born with a male body but your brain and heart are female, and vice versa.

You don't get a right to use science to justify bigotry. The world is too weird for that shit. Trans and non-binary people have more right to exist than bigots like you do. Get over it.

 

[KingArthur]

Trans and non-binary people have more right to exist than bigots like you do. Get over it and give up all your rights to them right now.

Ah yes, the old “kill yourself because you’re a bigot”. Love the irony.

Also, just an honest question, the bluegills pretending to be female so they can get close to females and “mate” honestly sounds like rape to me. Does that mean rapists have more of a right to exist than the other users who posted?

What? Only HUMAN ones are bad? Let’s count the ways that rape is bad, shall we?

1) Don’t be a pretentious dick
2) Don’t tell people to kill themselves
3) I’m not actually gonna count the ways because that’s redundant; besides I think I’ve made my point by imitating you.
4) I’ve no authority to make you listen to any of this, they’re just suggestions for you to not give in to assholery. <3

 

[valcik]

I've spend several months with heavily depressed people in the past, from borderline personalities and all kinds of mental disorders.

So you've been locked in nuthouse and pumped up with psychodrugs for several months? That explains a lot!

I really want to work in that field one day, eventually as psychologist for children and teenagers, but that's very far in the future.

Hopefully that won't happen, ever. Last time you wanted to be an artist and let's face the cruel truth - in case your psychological treatment of kids and teenagers would reach the same quality reached by your art, may all pagan gods help those poor souls!

 

[Crni Vuk]

So you've been locked in nuthouse and pumped up with psychodrugs for several months? That explains a lot!


Hopefully that won't happen, ever. Last time you wanted to be an artist and let's face the cruel truth - in case your psychological treatment of kids and teenagers would reach the same quality reached by your art, may all pagan gods help those poor souls!

Contributing high quality arguments to the discussion again, I see.

Interesting to see how often some of you guys fall back to add-hominem attacks in such topics. Looks like I really know how to push all the right buttons to make some of you extreme right wingers salty.

 

[Deleted member 93956]

Ah yes, the old “kill yourself because you’re a bigot”. Love the irony.

Also, just an honest question, the bluegills pretending to be female so they can get close to females and “mate” honestly sounds like rape to me. Does that mean rapists have more of a right to exist than the other users who posted?

What? Only HUMAN ones are bad? Let’s count the ways that rape is bad, shall we?

1) Don’t be a pretentious dick
2) Don’t tell people to kill themselves
3) I’m not actually gonna count the ways because that’s redundant; besides I think I’ve made my point by imitating you.
4) I’ve no authority to make you listen to any of this, they’re just suggestions for you to not give in to assholery. <3

"How dare you not be NICE to me"
"But in other tangent, DO YOU APPROVE OF RAPE BY ALLOWING THIS?"

Does that mean rapists have more of a right to exist than the other users who posted?

I'm not sure if you want an answer to that

 

[valcik]

Interesting to see how often some of you guys fall back to add-hominem attacks in such topics.

Which part of my post is not true, smart ass? Since you started sharing your life stories and pipe dreams here, I feel obliged to get the facts straight and correct your lies.

Looks like I really know how to push all the right buttons to make some of you extreme right wingers salty.

Nah, perverted pederast and petty criminal such as you cannot insult anybody by his filthy lies. Still pretty funny little game though, so let's play!

 

[Risewild]

How I miss the days of NMA not allowing personal attacks, like what's in that old fashioned Forum rules.

 

[Hassknecht]

How I miss the days of NMA not allowing personal attacks, like what's in that old fashioned Forum rules.

Yeah, this shit has to stop.
Everyone, be nice. This is the first and last warning, further pointless ad-hominems will be rewarded with warnings and temp bans.
This goes for everyone. If you can't add anything to the topic, shut the fuck up.
I have been extremely lax with enforcing that because everybody loves a bit of banter, but if it devolves into plainly insulting people it's obviously not something you fucknuggets can handle.

 

[valcik]

Yep, I know how you feel. Personal attacks such as labelling somebody as a "nazi supporter" or "extreme right winger", or his homeland as a "shithole" just for the sake of trolling clerly break these rules. Shame on them for turning this place in a mud fight arena!

 

[Crni Vuk]

And here I thought microagressions, political corectness and triggering would be just a thing of us leftist assholes.

 

[Hassknecht]

What did I just say?
Warnings and one day bans from this thread for both of you. Drop it.

 

[KingArthur]

I'm not sure if you want an answer to that

Heh. Love ya Arnust.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

How I miss the days of NMA not allowing personal attacks, like what's in that old fashioned Forum rules.

In what alternate universe did Rosh not run this place prior to the Bethesda-era Fallouters discovering NMA?

Rosh NMA was peak NMA.

Quite the decline since. The kindler-gentler NMA envisioned by BN to pander to Bethesda PR failed miserably at what it wanted to accomplish.

Viva la Rosh!

 

[R.Graves]

nah mate, birth defects aren't sexes and they aren't grey areas for the definition of sex. i can certainly appreciate your compassion for these people but this is a huge stretch.

You don't get a right to use science to justify bigotry

two things. one: science isn't malleable because it might reflect badly on a group of people. this means that by extension neither is biology. and while birth defects are an unfortunate anomaly its an important distinction to note that trans people have been known to both mutilate themselves and commit suicide because they are mentally ill. dude i cannot stress this enough, it is not due to any physical characteristic resulting from a birth defect that drives them to feel the way they do, the problem lies with their mental well being. because reality isn't how they perceive it should be thye either mutilate themselves, and yes it is mutilation, or kill themselves in stupidly high numbers. this is inherently self destructive behavior.
two: because im a cunt, bigotry is characterized as intolerance of opinion which you have just demonstrated pretty well actually

Trans and non-binary people have more right to exist than bigots like you do. Get over it.

because right there you straight up say the guy has less of a right to existence itself for no other reason than his opinion is different than yours. and dude seriously chill out with that shit because its simply uncalled for because all the guy did was express an opinion. where i come from that's a basic human right. which yes extends to your bigotry and everyone else's on this site. its just preferable that you don't coat your bigotry in this sense "im morally superior to you because im willing to ignore the trans community's stupidly high suicide rate"