Human vs Chimp

[AskWazzup]

Well humans are pretty brittle, but there are cases where they escape death against much more terrifying creatures such as Bears, Lions etc. even after getting caught or bitten.

I wonder... Say this crazy chimp bites my fingers, then with the other arm i stab it's eyes and take a good hold of those eye sockets... Surely, that could give you dividents, even if you're not build like a tank? Or play the chimp game and bite its balls or dick off, i think that kind of pain is much more to take in than just being shot at, or stabbed.

It definitely is possible to physically fight a stronger wild animal. There are tons of individual stories. Often it helps with attitude, making yourself intimidating (and meaning it )
If you have even the slightest weapon, the excellence-of-humanity immediately shows through, now you can fight off even a bear with a wood-carving knife (as in a fairly recent swedish event, where one guy was mauled badly, another stabbed at the bear, chasing it away, if i remember it correctly)

But think of an animal as a huge karate-dude. Sure, if you are REALLY lucky, you'll get that lucky punch in, trip him over, and break his head against the pavement. But in most cases, you will try to back down, you'll try to negotiate, instinctively, and you'll be chewed up.

At a party, this guy told me "nifty tricks" how to beat a full grown lion hand to hand
He told me "grab on to the lions neck, really hard, w both arms. It's arms are too large, it wont be able to reach you, cus of the wide elbows" something like that.
I asked him a couple of things, neither of which he could answer: "How do you cope with a 200 kilo lion slamming you down at 70 kmph?" "how long are you supposed to hold on?" "what if the lion decides to stay on top of you? with 200 kilos? can you bench 200 kilos?"

Karate is useless even in sport, i was talking more in terms of mixed martial arts, where the fighter has many different backrounds, or say some shit like Krava Maga, that was created for hand to hand combat against terrorists.

As for the party, yeah, that is called bro science

 

[zegh8578]

Yes, I meant karate-dude as a kind of generic beat-you-up kinda guy

My point is, there was a time, when we were fully developed Homo sapiens, but still naked, still no proper stone tools, and a world full of beasts worse than what we have today, sabre toothed tigers, lions in europe, and we withstood it all. We withstood it kindov like chimps withstand it, by mobbing together, and using very basic tools, such as sticks and stones! Take the time period from oldest archaic humans - to the beginning of the younger stone age, that is like 100 000 years, where we must face wild nature, as naked humans.

There exists footage of a close relative of ours, solving the same problem in a much more super-heroic way, gorilla - fighting off a leopard, with his bare hands. That is some epic fucking shit! I think the battle lasted for a while too, compared to what is common in nature. Both made it out of it without too much injury, the silverback got a solid gash of skin from his forehead torn off, a good juicy battle-scar. The leopard gave up, and fled the scene.

(only thing I can find on youtube is discovery channels retarded hypothetical scenario with retarded 3D renderings -.- the actual footage was obviously not very clear, but you could hear roars and screams (gorillas scream, similar to chimps))

While we're on chimpanzees, karate and strength, I always liked to imagine harnessing this, scientifically, with no limits!

1. Genetically ingeneer a really big and strong gorilla, within limits of surviveability and comfortable life of course - we need him healthy!
2. Train him, like a human, in work-out methods, make him PUMPED! Use steroids, use all that shit!
3. Train him in combat and tactics, as well as possible.

4. Unleash, preferably many, and armored if possible!

 

[AskWazzup]

Well, with the advancements that are going on with artificial limbs and robotics, why stop with genetic engineering? We take your scenario and add some lightweight material armour padding, automatic adrenaline injections and replace parts like fingers with robotic limbs.

Unleash, preferably many!

 

[Gizmojunk]

Didn't Stalin try this?

[and failed of course.]

 

[zegh8578]

Didn't Stalin try this?

[and failed of course.]

He tried to tame foxes, but yeah, probably war-gorillas too

In Sweden there was some programme to tame moose for the purpose of war. It worked sortof well, except they could never get the moose used to loud bangs.

 

[Crni Vuk]

The Soviets used dogs in WW2 to attack German tanks, they used them together with Bombs as a form of suicide attack. Though it never worked really well for the Soviets, most dogs have been to frightened by the tanks, and those that actually moved under tanks would usually go for the Russian tanks rather then the German ones ... because thats what they used in training.

Karate is useless even in sport, i was talking more in terms of mixed martial arts, where the fighter has many different backrounds, or say some shit like Krava Maga, that was created for hand to hand combat against terrorists.

As for the party, yeah, that is called bro science

hand to hand combat against terrorists.

against terrorists.

terrorists.

>_>

I know, monkey and terrorists are sometimes very difficult to distinguish from each other, but I would be curious how effective fighting techniques made primarily to fight of humans would work really in a fight against a raging chimp.

Didn't Stalin try this?

[and failed of course.]

the truth, like usually, is much more ... bizarre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Ivanovich_Ivanov

The most controversial of Ivanov's studies was his attempt to create a human-ape hybrid.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] As early as 1910, he had given a presentation to the World Congress of Zoologists in Graz in which he described the possibility of obtaining such a hybrid through artificial insemination.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
In the 1920s, Ivanov carried out a series of experiments to create a human/nonhuman ape hybrid. Working with human sperm and female chimpanzees, he failed to create a pregnancy.[SUP][1][/SUP] In 1929 he organized a set of experiments involving nonhuman ape sperm and human volunteers, but was delayed by the death of his last orangutan.[SUP][1][/SUP]

1. Genetically ingeneer a really big and strong gorilla, within limits of surviveability and comfortable life of course - we need him healthy!
2. Train him, like a human, in work-out methods, make him PUMPED! Use steroids, use all that shit!
3. Train him in combat and tactics, as well as possible.

4. Unleash, preferably many, and armored if possible!

 

[AskWazzup]

I know, monkey and terrorists are sometimes very difficult to distinguish from each other, but I would be curious how effective fighting techniques made primarily to fight of humans would work really in a fight against a raging chimp.

......

Nice try at comedy, but you failed. Krav Maga is preaching the quickest way to neutrilize you're opponent/s who might have knives, rifles or some other shit, assuming that he also plays dirty(just like a chimp). It doesn't discriminate between kicking your balls, gauging eyes or, stabbing someone with your keys, punching the neck etc. It's based on reaction and the most vulnerable spot you can hit.

 

[Crni Vuk]

and what's the most vulnerable spot on a chimp? Oh! I KNOW I KNOW! The head! Right. And that is pretty much where most anatomical knowledge stops. Look, I am not saying that it doesnt help you, but you cant deny that krav Maga and pretty much any martial arts in human history was made yeah ... well with the intention to fight a human oponent, because that is the most likely scenario that you will encounter. A raging chimp is a ferocious animal that will have different weakspots to a human person, so its a completely different situation, for example I dont believe that most of the things I learned in jiu jitsu will work against a chimp since its a completely different physiology, so I consider it a rather hypotetical question. Hell, its already difficult enough to effectively fight another human beeing! - to the death that is! Why should it be easier with a chimp? The advantage that a well trained martial arts fighter has, and that is pretty much true for ANY martial arts, is I believe, that you know how to deal with a stressfull situation, eventually keeping your calmness when others panic. When a chimp is attacking I would probably rather run then fight just saying, of course that is if I have a chance to get away. if not then you have to try everything to defend your self, obviously. But I like the fact how someone explained that we humans overcome a lot of challanges rather with our intelect then brute strength. Overcoming something either with numbers, traps or the use of weapons using our ingenuity and incredible skill in comunication to overcome our physical limitations. Something that sets us apart from many creatures I believe is the fact that we have such a sophisticated way of communication trough our language.

 

[zegh8578]

It is true that martial arts are made specifically to face a human opponent. There are kicks and punches, sure, but the punch - in particular - is a danger mostly to humans. The knock to the head rattles our over-sophisticated brain, and blacks us out. The same punch to a fleshy area, like a thigh, does much less damage. To a foe like a bear or a lion, a punch would do rather little. You'd hit their tremendous snout, and at best cause a nose-bleed, but you wouldn't manage the brain-rattling effect you would with a human.

A chimp, idunno, give him a real knock-out punch straight across the temple, you could very well knock it out. But then again, smaller brain, bigger face, much more force, it would probably be able to just absorb most an ordinary-persons fist-punch.

 

[AskWazzup]

and what's the most vulnerable spot on a chimp? Oh! I KNOW I KNOW! The head! Right. And that is pretty much where most anatomical knowledge stops. Look, I am not saying that it doesnt help you, but you cant deny that krav Maga and pretty much any martial arts in human history was made yeah ... well with the intention to fight a human oponent, because that is the most likely scenario that you will encounter. A raging chimp is a ferocious animal that will have different weakspots to a human person, so its a completely different situation, for example I dont believe that most of the things I learned in jiu jitsu will work against a chimp since its a completely different physiology, so I consider it a rather hypotetical question. Hell, its already difficult enough to effectively fight another human beeing! - to the death that is! Why should it be easier with a chimp? The advantage that a well trained martial arts fighter has, and that is pretty much true for ANY martial arts, is I believe, that you know how to deal with a stressfull situation, eventually keeping your calmness when others panic. When a chimp is attacking I would probably rather run then fight just saying, of course that is if I have a chance to get away. if not then you have to try everything to defend your self, obviously. But I like the fact how someone explained that we humans overcome a lot of challanges rather with our intelect then brute strength. Overcoming something either with numbers, traps or the use of weapons using our ingenuity and incredible skill in communication to overcome our physical limitations. Something that sets us apart from many creatures I believe is the fact that we have such a sophisticated way of communication trough our language.

And i was not claiming that it has the same usefulness against a chimp, as it has against a human, i pointed out that mixed martial arts are much better than karate in my original post, since in them you deal with more real life like challenges.... Then i saw your eyes glowing, you started to lick your lips, as human predator, you saw a potential weak spot and you went for it. I think you might have a chance against a chimp.

It is true that martial arts are made specifically to face a human opponent. There are kicks and punches, sure, but the punch - in particular - is a danger mostly to humans. The knock to the head rattles our over-sophisticated brain, and blacks us out. The same punch to a fleshy area, like a thigh, does much less damage. To a foe like a bear or a lion, a punch would do rather little. You'd hit their tremendous snout, and at best cause a nose-bleed, but you wouldn't manage the brain-rattling effect you would with a human.

A chimp, idunno, give him a real knock-out punch straight across the temple, you could very well knock it out. But then again, smaller brain, bigger face, much more force, it would probably be able to just absorb most an ordinary-persons fist-punch.

Well, it would benefit you in other ways too, fighting doesn't mean only punching someone in the face, it's also throwing around something, managing your weight, reflexes, speed, avoiding damage etc. You're thinking more in terms of Mike Tyson in a boxing match, like standing in one place and trading blows with a chimp . Come to think of it, maybe young Tyson could even knock a chimp out, even knowing that a chimp has a thicker skull

 

[SnapSlav]

Nice try at comedy, but you failed. Krav Maga is preaching the quickest way to neutrilize you're opponent/s who might have knives, rifles or some other shit, assuming that he also plays dirty(just like a chimp). It doesn't discriminate between kicking your balls, gauging eyes or, stabbing someone with your keys, punching the neck etc. It's based on reaction and the most vulnerable spot you can hit.

And i was not claiming that it has the same usefulness against a chimp, as it has against a human, i pointed out that mixed martial arts are much better than karate in my original post, since in them you deal with more real life like challenges....

This all just reads as starkly ignorant of what karate preaches. You seem to be laboring under the impression that karate frowns upon "real world scenarios" and exploiting your opponent's weaknesses. AMERICAN karate might, sure, but that's the same with ALL Western-dumbed-down marital arts. I had a good friend (a black belt in shourin ryuu) who would pick fights with tae kwon do "masters" because American TKD is a joke. His master welcomed a TKD practitioner from South Korea who saw what the American students were learning, and threw a massive, confused fit at what he saw. "What are they DOING? We don't do THAT!" were among his criticisms. American martial arts are (for the most part, though there's plenty of exceptions) a watered-down joke, because they were turned- from a hidden, secretive discipline to enhance your survival in life-threatening situations based on a live-or-die hierarchical mayhem -into a kiddie "sport", daycare centers, and thoroughly, systematically had the authenticity ripped out of them. MMA is equally a joke, but most give it more credit than it deserves, because we see MMA fighters (which really just utilize a hybrid style of boxing and kick boxing with grappling techniques, nothing particularly noteworthy) going at it in caged rings all the time. The hype makes it seem much bigger and deadlier... but it's not.

Bruce Lee invented his own style because he personally felt that the stances and styles and formalities of traditional wushuu would too strict and didn't apply to realistic scenarios, and he had a point to his logic. The martial arts that had becomes, as of his day, had been watered down in their own way since their original creations, as well. Karate in 1995 is not the same as karate in 1695, because one was a passed-down thing while the other was a secretive study of pushing the body to its limits and surviving at all costs. But the heart of martial arts has remained the same in the centuries since each style's respective formations. Karate is no joke next to MMA or next to krav maga or next to jeet kun do or next to... etc etc. Those who practice the actual art, in its truest, purest form, practice an art of refining your body into its deadliest. As the meaning of "karate" implies, "I will kill you with empty hands, no weapons at all".

But yes, these are designed for fighting other HUMANS. They wouldn't fail because they're inferior to other martial arts, but because they just don't affect a non-human in the same way as a human.

 

[AskWazzup]

Didn't really want to get into an argument about martial arts, but what the hell, maybe it will turn out interesting.

American martial arts are (for the most part, though there's plenty of exceptions) a watered-down joke, because they were turned- from a hidden, secretive discipline to enhance your survival in life-threatening situations based on a live-or-die hierarchical mayhem -into a kiddie "sport", daycare centers, and thoroughly, systematically had the authenticity ripped out of them.

So what are you saying? Should i hold todays karate by 1600~ standards? And how could we even compare martial arts from then, to todays martial arts. Say for example, i know that Listz was a virtuoso piano player in the 1800', but we have no idea how virtuoso compared to todays players, since we have only testimonies of other people.

Now if you're claiming that old ways are still being kept in the east, and they are so potent... In ufc, you can pocket over a million dollars for one title fight and that's the low bar, you can make much more than that. Everybody who has enough skill is welcomed to participate (someone like Lyoto Machida, who actually has TKW backround, but it's just one of his weapons, as he also uses judo, wrestling, boxing, jujitsu), so if there is this potent martial art some where, they already had over 10 years to capitalize on it. Now, if they are beholders of old traditions and would not do such things, then, well then no one knows how potent those martial arts are and so no realistic claims can be made.

MMA is equally a joke, but most give it more credit than it deserves, because we see MMA fighters (which really just utilize a hybrid style of boxing and kick boxing with grappling techniques, nothing particularly noteworthy) going at it in caged rings all the time. The hype makes it seem much bigger and deadlier... but it's not.

Much of it really is, but the top tier guys are some of the best athletes in the world and are well rounded in all aspects of fighting. What is interesting, that i don't really know any top tier guys, who come from a background of boxing or kick boxing. But there are various other back rounds, like samba, wrestling, juijitsu, judo, sumo wrestling, capoeira, karate, greco roman wrestling etc. It's simply the most well rounded and aplicable to real life "martia art" that there is, because it encompass all martial arts, you can use anything (aside of course from eye gouging and ball kicking) and you have to be ready for everything.

I think karate is a great martial art, actually teakwondo was the only martial art that i practiced (it has great kicks), but if you're looking for effectiveness, they just don't hold up.

Someone who actually knows more bout it than you or me:

Bruce Lee invented his own style because he personally felt that the stances and styles and formalities of traditional wushuu would too strict and didn't apply to realistic scenarios, and he had a point to his logic. The martial arts that had becomes, as of his day, had been watered down in their own way since their original creations, as well. Karate in 1995 is not the same as karate in 1695, because one was a passed-down thing while the other was a secretive study of pushing the body to its limits and surviving at all costs. But the heart of martial arts has remained the same in the centuries since each style's respective formations. Karate is no joke next to MMA or next to krav maga or next to jeet kun do or next to... etc etc. Those who practice the actual art, in its truest, purest form, practice an art of refining your body into its deadliest. As the meaning of "karate" implies, "I will kill you with empty hands, no weapons at all".

I love Bruce Lee (and his lats, those are some fine lats), there is an interesting story, that he got his ass handed to him (in a friendly manner of course) by Gene LeBell, who was a judo/wrestling practicionier and after that Bruce started to work on his grappling.

In any case, back to the point. Those who supposedly "practice the actual art, in its truest, purest form" are no where to be found, so for all i know it's a myth.

 

[zegh8578]

Martial arts will always have to "come back down to earth" eventually, and real life hostile situations is usually when they do. A real aggressor isn't going to judge your technique, or give you points, but is going to stab your kidney, and stab it fast.

That is when most, what you both criticize, modern martial arts people will fail it, simply because they have a sportsmanship attitude to it, rather than a true destroy-another-human-before-he-destroys-you mechanism built in.

A friend of mine, my corporal in the military, and just-so-happens-to-be Norwegian TKD blackbelt was attempted mugged once. So lucky for that Norways' Only Mugger to take on a tae kwon do guy. He tried to come at him with a knife, but by then my friend had allready assessed the situation as not particularily threatening, and as the guy swung his leg out to kick him, he almost instinctively cought him by the thigh, and snapped it. I probed and asked, and yes, he snapped the thigh with a loud crack, felt horrible for the guy, and sat down to comfort him while waiting for the ambulance.
Really nice guy overall, he lent us fall-techniques for a for-fun "action movie" we made, where he, ironically, was the one getting his ass kicked the most (cus of his awesome falls!)

 

[AskWazzup]

Martial arts will always have to "come back down to earth" eventually, and real life hostile situations is usually when they do. A real aggressor isn't going to judge your technique, or give you points, but is going to stab your kidney, and stab it fast.

That is when most, what you both criticize, modern martial arts people will fail it, simply because they have a sportsmanship attitude to it, rather than a true destroy-another-human-before-he-destroys-you mechanism built in.

Well, i don't know why are you trying to pull me in that list, since i said that mma is better than karate, at real life like situations. The key word being better. And the sportsmanship attitude... That's a blanket statement, only recently i saw a guy in mma fight threatening to stab his opponent with a knife . Some of those dudes become animals when they fight, even to a point where they lick their opponents blood.

 

[zegh8578]

You said karate! Damn we are being specific aren't we

Either way, I think of the Shaolin monks also, they are good at jumping and balancing on logs and pulling cars with their penises and/or whatnot - but how much actual confrontational experience do they have? Would they be good warriors?

 

[AskWazzup]

You said karate! Damn we are being specific aren't we

Either way, I think of the Shaolin monks also, they are good at jumping and balancing on logs and pulling cars with their penises and/or whatnot - but how much actual confrontational experience do they have? Would they be good warriors?

They may have actually used their weapons at some point (and probably weren't jumping around, when they chopped somebodies head off), but today they are doing it for theatrics, because it brings in that green stuff.

Maybe someone here has any historic information about the origins of shaolin fighters?

 

[zegh8578]

Historically sure. Historically, Europe was also full of high accuracy martial arts. We just threw them all in the toilet when we invented gunpowder "Modernism! To fucking hell with old stuff!"
I remember just recently, archaeologists came across sword-fighting manuscripts, that showed many a surprising "move", well, surprising to noobs I reckon, I was surprised For example, a lot of sword-fighting moves were shown to be "manipulative" as in, they would turn the sword around, and use the handle as a club - or for disarmament. Stuff like that.

Also, no writing exists of it - but archaeological finds show for example square shaped military barracks in viking-age Norway, contrasting what most people think of vikings, as ruffians and barbarians, when they instead were (shocker) normal people in need of training like anybody. I would be surprised if their entire combat training ignored kicks, punches, jumps, grapples, etc.

 

[SnapSlav]

Didn't really want to get into an argument about martial arts

And yet you opened posts repeatedly with inflammatory and dismissive comments about an entire category of martial discipline.

Much of it really is, but the top tier guys are some of the best athletes in the world and are well rounded in all aspects of fighting.

The same goes for ALL athletes. Much like the apropo quote from Jet Li's Fearless- a fictional dramatization about a real historical person of great significance to martial arts (which took many liberties with his story, but still made for a good movie) -when asked to explain why one discipline's student might triumph over another, and when the idea of competing styles are compared to judging different teas and better or worse than one another, "I don't think of it as different styles being weaker or stronger. I think it all depends on the individual. We compete so we can improve ourselves, and in doing so, we discover our own weakness. We are our own worst enemy." It was a very good point that styles can vary but ultimately it's up to the individual and their own ability whom will succeed or fail with those styles. So naturally you're going to see the greatest athletes representing their martial style, but it would be a mistake to completely attribute it to the style. The athletes themselves are just as important to their own success.

In any case, back to the point. Those who supposedly "practice the actual art, in its truest, purest form" are no where to be found, so for all i know it's a myth.

It's a myth if you don't go looking for it. In any case, it's not a myth that Asians are notoriously xenophobic, and that the "old guard" of many of their traditions (including maintaining their martial arts disciplines as secretive and exclusive) don't just frown upon spreading these ideas but actively discriminate against it. If you think the Greeks and the Turks have trouble getting along, you ain't seen nothing until you've seen Asians regarding one another, or worse, regarding ANY "foreigners". They are NASTY to anyone they consider "outsiders". The Westernization of martial arts as more of a self-help group exercise instead of a hardcore weaponization of the body isn't entirely due to Western interests bastardizing whatever they could get their hands on, it's equally due to those old guard types hoarding what they have and refusing to share any of it with the outside world.

For instance, the art of smithing a traditional katana is held as a national treasure in Japan, and creating it outside the country is illegal. It's illegal to own any traditionally crafted katana (though of course Japanese law can't enforce this in said foreign countries). This is entirely because of that "keep it to ourselves and away from foreigners" mindset. Hell, it's one of my dreams to own one of the lost Masamune blades, for all the reasons that they're legendary, it's totally illegal to own one, no one even knows where you can find one, and a single one would be worth billions of dollars. Yes, it's a lofty dream, but that's what dreams are for. =) Anyway, point being, does this stop companies like Cold Steel from manufacturing their own factory-crafted "weapon ready" katanas? No, of course not. But they're not the genuine article. Manufacturing processes cannot replicate the hand-crafted method, which has never been shared outside of Japan. Only the swordsmith masters know how to do it, and they are fiercely guarded by the Japanese government, so if it wasn't just a matter of their pride, the law keeping them from leaving home would also insure that their secrets stay theirs.

The same is true of traditional karate. For the most part, it's stayed in Japan, and it's really only been "spread" to the rest of the world via those terrible 80s movies showcasing flashy and shallow performances and passing them off as being even remotely related... which of course they're not. But the hardcore xenophobia isn't iron-clad, of course it spreads. Hence where those aforementioned "exceptions to the rule" originate. My friend wouldn't have a master to teach him if dissidents didn't go against the grain and a tiny few "exported" their expertise to other countries. But those are a paltry few amidst the mainstay of the "watered down" sort, which you'll find everywhere. Again, to repeat my opening line, which is the main point, it's a myth if you don't bother to look. It takes digging to find the hole-in-the-wall dojos that train students in traditional karate, rather than sell group exercises to children and market membership to enhance their numbers as a business strategy. They're painfully few in number, but they exist. All you need do is look.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Didn't really want to get into an argument about martial arts, but what the hell, maybe it will turn out interesting.

most of the time they dont, because someone, always tries to convince the others that there is this one partiucalr fighting style or technique or martial arts that is superior, be it Karate over Judo, or taekwondo over Aikido or Krav Maga over everything else - I hear that quite often.

Now the thing is, people have to keep in mind 2 things.

1. Where is martial arts coming from?

2. What is the martial arts you talk about trying to achieve?

I always cringe when someone tries to explain how this one super martial arts is supperior to everything, and if you want to be awesome, then go and learn this one thing! The Isralian army is teaching it! No no! This one is from the Spetznaz! THE SPETZNAZ! So it must be superior. I always hated this discussions, someone trying to explain me how the Judo I learned was useless and its just good to get warm like runing or wrestling, and I usually tell them, that is right, that is why I love(ed) doing it, because I dont want to destroy people. Its like someone trying to sell me a gun when all I want is to get some butter on my bread. No no, no dude! This one is superior! It can kill people much more efficiently then your butter knife!

The only really good advice I know is, learn what is fun for you. Try as many different schools and styles, if you have to, till you find that one that you really like. If you really love capoeira, then do it! If you love Judo, then just do it! If its Karate, then do Karate. Don't learn something just because you believe that its the supperior fighting style, and dont try others to convince how your Karate is supperior to their Judo. Because the chance is high that if you do something that isnt fun for you, then you will not stick to it. And its much better to learn karate for the rest of your life, then Krava maga for 2-3 years. And I would even agree that something like Krav Maga might be more efficient in killing someone compared to Karate which is mainly about competition today, but if you chose your martial arts training with that intention - just so you can kill someone, then maybe you should not learn it at all, and just go runing or something, because I personally dont believe that learning Krav Maga for 1 year in your early 20s will help you when you reach a very old age.

 

[SnapSlav]

Didn't really want to get into an argument about martial arts, but what the hell, maybe it will turn out interesting.

most of the time they dont, because someone, always tries to convince the others that there is this one partiucalr fighting style or technique or martial arts that is superior, be it Karate over Judo, or taekwondo over Aikido or Krav Maga over everything else - I hear that quite often.

Now the thing is, people have to keep in mind 2 things.

1. Where is martial arts coming from?

2. What is the martial arts you talk about trying to achieve?

I always cringe when someone tries to explain how this one super martial arts is supperior to everything, and if you want to be awesome, then go and learn this one thing! The Isralian army is teaching it! No no! This one is from the Spetznaz! THE SPETZNAZ! So it must be superior. I always hated this discussions, someone trying to explain me how the Judo I learned was useless and its just good to get warm like runing or wrestling, and I usually tell them, that is right, that is why I love(ed) doing it, because I dont want to destroy people. Its like someone trying to sell me a gun when all I want is to get some butter on my bread. No no, no dude! This one is superior! It can kill people much more efficiently then your butter knife!

The only really good advice I know is, learn what is fun for you. Try as many different schools and styles, if you have to, till you find that one that you really like. If you really love capoeira, then do it! If you love Judo, then just do it! If its Karate, then do Karate. Don't learn something just because you believe that its the supperior fighting style, and dont try others to convince how your Karate is supperior to their Judo. Because the chance is high that if you do something that isnt fun for you, then you will not stick to it. And its much better to learn karate for the rest of your life, then Krava maga for 2-3 years. And I am not even saying that something like Krav Maga might be more efficient in killing someone compared to Karate which is mainly about competition today, but if you chose your martial arts training with that intention, then maybe you should not learn it at all, and just go runing or something, because I personally dont believe that learning Krav Maga for 1 year in your early 20s will help you when you reach a very old age.

Apart from suggesting that people aspire to learn a discipline which has origins in teaching people how to kill other people without a weapon because "whatever is fun for you", well said.