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Earth said:
SKYRIM IS NOT AN RPG.
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BigBoss said:
I mean, how do you go from Daggerfall-Morrowind-Oblivion to Skyrim?
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I even hard to understand go from Daggerfall to Morrowind, Morrowind to Oblivion. too many things changed either to be good or bad.
For me, Oblivion do terrible thing: quest marker, shorter dialog thanks(not) for Full voice, shorter journals and etc. So I hate Oblivion before Skyrim. after skyrim... I look back Oblivion and I was far better than skyrim. at Oblivion, they try to use scadueling and sneaking to decorate quest looks interesting while Skyrim use same way of Daggerfall to increase quentity of quest. but in Daggerfall, there's no quest marker but time limits.
 
woo1108 said:
I look back Oblivion and I was far better than skyrim. at Oblivion,
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I know what you mean. I started replaying an old save I hadn't played in a while, and unlike Skyrim, it was at least playable, as long as I forgot it was meant to be an rpg. There's some humour in it, and quests had some thought put into them. But compared to the originals it's still nothing.
 
I liked Fallout 3, but I find New Vegas a lot better. And I actually think Fallout 3 was a good thing: it provided a basis for New Vegas to build on. As different as it is from the classic games, Fallout works really well in the shooter/RPG hybrid style and with a full 3D world.
 
chitoryu12 said:
.. Fallout works really well in the shooter/RPG hybrid style and with a full 3D world.
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Nah. You'll get bored really quickly with a constant reloading of any damned building/location entering in. Not even talking about running hundreds of times around the same places like a crazy rabbit, with your lovely hardware screaming in agony. And the gameplay? Frenetic action. You're forced to rotate camera/FOV nonstop and shaking your mouse at frightening rate. And even if that's more a designers' than a 3D engine's fault, the famous inventory/crafting/bargain screens needs to be mentioned here. Endless hours of fiddling with those monochromatic lists almost pushed me at professional MS Excel level!
 
I liked Oblivion. It was Skyrim that ruined the series. Alright, the Dragonborn idea was cool, but they just basically fucked up a great idea.
 
How can you like oblivion? I played through it's main quest once before realizing, yep, all of it's content is shit. There is no redeemable thing to do found anywhere in the game. And I lost all interest.
 
Akratus said:
How can you like oblivion? I played through it's main quest once before realizing, yep, all of it's content is shit. There is no redeemable thing to do found anywhere in the game. And I lost all interest.
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I quite like Shivering Isles, but apart from that yeah the game is unplayable. Much prefer the previous games.

Skyrim may be the one where they fucked up the series, but it was Oblivion that started the fall.
 
valcik said:
chitoryu12 said:
.. Fallout works really well in the shooter/RPG hybrid style and with a full 3D world.
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Nah. You'll get bored really quickly with a constant reloading of any damned building/location entering in. Not even talking about running hundreds of times around the same places like a crazy rabbit, with your lovely hardware screaming in agony. And the gameplay? Frenetic action. You're forced to rotate camera/FOV nonstop and shaking your mouse at frightening rate. And even if that's more a designers' than a 3D engine's fault, the famous inventory/crafting/bargain screens needs to be mentioned here. Endless hours of fiddling with those monochromatic lists almost pushed me at professional MS Excel level!
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You will only feel the "constant" reloads in bigger settlements.. And upgrade your hardware damn it! :P

Mother of old edit!

Knight Captain Kerr said:
Personally I don't see how people liking different things is that much of a problem. I think Final Fantasy 13 is crap but I know plenty of people who love it. Doesn't mean I have to. To each their own really. There's tonnes of people in the world and plenty of them that like the same thing you do. That's why forums like this exist.
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There are 4 kinds of Fallout people now days. The F3 fanboys, The original 1-2 games are the only ones that doesn't suck people, The F-NV fanboys and then the people with common sense like you Walpknut and a few others that actually point out all flaws/positive sides of all the games without randomly hating it for not being your fav game.

I seriously feel like telling people to play in traffic most of the time when i browse trough the posts on this forum and some other ones but then comes a post with common sense and i'll try not to be an ass.. It's harder than it sounds sometimes!
 
Makta said:
There are 4 kinds of Fallout people now days...The F-NV fanboys
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ie: me, and only me, who you've decided you have a personal hatred of because I posted a couple of admittedly hot headed threads and comments when I was bored.

Makta said:
and then the people with common sense like you Walpknut and a few others that actually point out all flaws/positive sides of all the games without randomly hating it for not being your fav game.
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Does this include you by any chance? Because you seem as much a blinded Fallout 3 fan as you claim I am of FONV.
 
there are 4 kind of Fallout fan
1. Fallout as a RPG(includes Wasteland and Arcanum)
2. Fallout as a post apocalypse theme(maybe likes fo3 too)
3. Fallout's world and history
4. fo3 fanboy
actually fanboy of fo3 is fan of TES with gun
 
BigBoss said:
I liked Oblivion. It was Skyrim that ruined the series. Alright, the Dragonborn idea was cool, but they just basically fucked up a great idea.
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Morrowind is better.

It looks and plays like crap, but it is one of the few fantasy games that is set in a place that does not look like anything we are already in. I can respect that.

Let's just look at any other fantasy game :

Oblivion - Europe

Skyrim - Europe

The Witcher - Europe

The Witcher 2 - Europe

Jade Empire - China

Dragon Age 1 and 2 - Europe

Morrowind - Freaky mushroom desert land. Also dinosaurs and giant fleas.
 
oblivion: Roman+medival
skyrim: medival+viking
Morrowind: Arab+Japanese(maybe?)
actually TES started to be ruined since oblivion.
quest marker breaks quests.
at least you can ask rumor and quest is actually bad but well decorated. but for skyrim takes bad point of fallout's dialog system and quests are just sucks.
 
Earth said:
Does this include you by any chance? Because you seem as much a blinded Fallout 3 fan as you claim I am of FONV.
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Whether he intends that it does or doesn't, we all know Makta qualifies. I've seen him write up some posts that show hints of him breaking away from that, but there's still ample FO3 fanboydom to overcome before I would dare to include him in the 4th category. Hell, I'd like to believe I belong in the 4th category, but as he described it, it just read like a massively self-masturbatory superior race brown nosing than an actual group of players, and I don't think I'm so "perfect" that I could own such a title. I don't think anyone is. Everybody has their bias, so even the most sane of us aren't transcendent of flaws and preferences.

But back to the topic at hand... Yeah, NMA (for the most part) has been a saving grace for myself, as well. Even in the area of site politics it's simply less frustrating to deal with, and there's rarely any shortage of good ideas floating around to be discussed in a more-or-less civil manner. I will admit, Walpknut's "game fan" vs "gamer" was a clever spin on titles that I wouldn't mind adopting. I don't want to begin using class ideology to assert any sentiments of superiority to other gamers, but I can't help but recognize that "newer generations" of so-called "gamers" just don't seem to have a grasp of fine quality, and just grab for shallow presentations like flesh-starved zombies at the slightest provocation. "Being a fan" versus "this is more than just a hobby to me" seems like a reasonable identifier of different sorts of people-who-play-games.
 
Jumping on the Oblivion-hate! Map markers, boo! Fast travel, come on... The first time I travelled to Kvatch, I thought I had to, and I thought it was cool that I had to. On 2nd playthrough, I realized I only had to click to get there, and it pissed me off, so I decided to stay in the capital, and do other quests.
Stuck quest items. Goddamnit, look, if I manage to sell the most important amulet in the universe, then shame on me, okay?
Load game, cry tears, or start a new game, that's what games are for, to punish you when you fuck up for yourself.

Also, they did what FO3 did: Final boss? What final boss!
Armor? What armor?

Here's the thing - I like to play on easy setting.
Hard on oblivion just means, enemy chops you once, you die, you chop them for 20 minutes, they die. I have other things to do, such as watch tv, and stuff.
But the difference is, playing on easy in Morrowind - or Fallout 2, you can still die. In fact, you can die a whole damn lot!

After playing Oblivion for a while, running around in outfits that "look cool", I tried doing the same with Morrowind. No way. You can't prance around Vvardenfell with clothes that look nice, you get torn apart, even on easyest setting. You must use your mind, put armor on, gear up, take dangers seriously. I like that!

Approaching the final boss in Morrowind was terrifying. Approaching the final boss in FO2 was terrifying. Approaching the master in FO1 was horrifying.

Approaching that dumb talking computer in FO3, was beyond anticlimactic.

STANDING... next to the giant, red dude in the end of Oblivion... was boring. A boring boss. A boring boss who you can't hurt, and who can't hurt you, and whom you can stand next to, while you leave the computer, to go take a piss, return to find Martin engaged to you in an automatically occuring conversation, for then to take all your glory away from you, and kill the big boss FOR you.
Yes, cus you are too much of a baby to be trusted to slay a fictional monster in a game.

So... go Morrowind! Boo Oblivion, boo! Although I lurve ur atmosphere and stuff, Oblivion, that wavy grass... oh goddamnit, another glass-armored stupid robber...
 
sigma1932 said:
Check out RPGcodex... should help a little more.
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Tried that site once. Thanks but no thanks. There was just something...off about that site. Something I didn't like. I'll check t out again but I get the feeling it won't have changed much in the last few years.
 
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