laclongquan said:
I dont argue on vague facts. There should be some solidity here:
Are you telling me EIGHTY SIX tribes destroyed and absorbed by Legion is ALL violent savages who know nothing. I can give you a large part of that is exactly so ( I dont agree but there's no clear fact, so I can give you that). I can not accept that ALL or even most of them were so. Chap, you are asking me to take that on faith? You are not a snake oil seller and I aint no gullible housewife.
Indoctrination with current religions work because it has a strong and deep foundation in every thing: little ceremonies that even you forget the origin yet still keep you on the path, a rich and deep literature of it with (a) strong and central book(s) full of Golden Rules, songs, poems, a large number of practioners with knowledge of it(priests).... Do the Legion has something like that? A bible, as it were. Lots of songs. little ceremonies. No they dont. They are a sham religion. Everything come from Caesar knowledge. not for nothing the possessive term Caesar's in the name.
Tell me the name of smart Super Mutants if you can. Like I said, they are numbered in one hand. You said they are smart. Well name them and prove me wrong. (Undeveloped content doesnt count).
I know I waste my time here. You are caesarboy who just close your eyes and ears toward facts. Still and all, I enjoy expose you for what you are. Good time.
OK Seeing as I need to provide a practical example, when the Romans left Britain do you think all Roman like activity stopped the moment the last centurion left and the locals packed up and returned to Woad wearing tribes living in wattle and daub round houses? Nope in parts of the British isles Roman like activity has been found to about the mid 6th century AD. Now the romans when they took over a area had two way's of dealing with the local population and culture.
1) Peaceful assimilation, where the local tribal leaders where indoctrinated into Roman culture, and occasionally local God's and Goddesses where found the equal in the Roman pantheon and the local places of worship had temples built to them using the Roman and a Latinised name for the local god, the population of tribes like this where treated mostly like Romans of the same stature in Rome.
2) War, they would go to war with the tribe (or tribes) and either exterminate them or push them to the point where they have to surrender and obey Roman rule and they where not treated as equals by the Romans.
Now in the Legion, the default option seems to be domain by conquest rather than assimilation in the traditional Roman sense. They operate like the Roman army where local troops did not serve any where close to home after they where recruited they where marched from one end of the empire to the other. The theory at the time was, you have no connection to the local people and any strange ways or customs they may have so you are not likely to side with them if there is a uprising challenging Roman rule.
Caesars Legion, when they have concurred or assimilated a tribe take the men of fighting age and mix them in with men from other tribes who have little in common other than they now fight for the Legion, fostering a common bond within the new identity. Children born into the legion have no other frame of reference they might while they are to young to know what's a tabboo question ask what's the funny marks on that man or woman's skin? when it comes down to tribal tattoos on older people, so they would not just pack up and go back home either. The odd trace of language might survive too, but not as a common spoken thing possibly the odd swear word under the breath when a legionary hit's his thumb with a hammer kind of deal.
Essentially once a tribe is part of the legion no matter how it happens they are broken up, moved across to the other side of the territory, can not associate with people of there own tribe because there isn't any, unable to speak there native tongue and are forced to speak a new one. They are indoctrinated into a whole new culture by force, and most of the people they have concurred accept this as for the most part they have been living in a post apocalyptic land scape where death and starvation are only around the corner, they have access in the legion to food and are some what more safe in the larger group than they did have as a tribal, it's a risk / reward calculation that all humans perform.
However not every one will come to the same conclusion and some will be trouble i.e. escape or desertion, refusal to follow the rules etc and I am sure that the legion has very painful very public ways of dealing with it just like the real Romans did, we have seen one method used in the game that the Romans most certainly used and that is crucifixion it's painful, public and slow.
Imagine if you will, Your the member of a freshly subjugated tribe you are a proud warrior, in the last few week's you have seen your home lands destroyed, your friends and family broken up into groups, been beaten and marched across the wasteland for a few weeks and humiliated, hot, thirsty and have not got much left in you apart from a tiny spark of defiance your lead into the camp of this new tribe and it's bigger than you have ever seen and just inside the gates one of the elders of your tribe is nailed to a cross crying out in pain, beaten black and blue he is the first person that you know you have seen in weeks your emotionally at your lowest ebb and that spark you had and all the pain and suffering you have experienced nearly snuffs out the remaining spark, but just dampens it down further and it's nearly dead.
Then your put in a prison cell over looking the crucifixion grounds, your given some food and water, the man in the cell next to you has tried to talk but you don't understand him but recognise the body language he was a tribal warrior just like you and boy is he mad and your spark is starting to be rekindled knowing your not alone, when the next time the slave accompanied by legionarys comes round to give you food and water he takes the bowl and throws it back in there face, two of the legionnaire's open the cell throw him to the ground and beat him, he is dragged down to the crucifixion grounds and beaten again and held over a old metal drum and whipped. A body is cut down from the cross and loaded onto a small cart then defiant man is first tied onto the cross the body was just cut down from and is then nailed to it, after a few moment's you notice the hand cart is coming towards your cell's and is drawn slowly past each and every cell so that you and the other captives can take a long hard look at what disobedience earns you it's only then you realise it was your tribal elder and that spark that tiny dull spark is finally gone.
Edit to add:
That little bit of fiction is there to demonstrate that the legion is very willing and able to break people down and strip them of any remaining identity and thoughts of resistance, and will then start to rebuild you in legion form.
